Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

[Fiale]

1 hour ago, Robin TBW said:

Heard that the family are worth £1.4billion so about the same as Lansdown.

 

The family own a 36% stake in a Jordanian bank that has assets of around $1.3 billion - it's not the same as being worth that amount as the assets will be bank branches, computers, buildings, stocks, pensions, shares etc - if you want some context the families Jordanian bank made a after tax profit of around $22 million in 2014, and we are not even sure if all the family is involved or just the new president (after all if you have a few million and like football, buy a club, it's like football manager but bigger and better).

[BCFC Jordan]

I'm one of those people that love it when the Gas fail but also don't really mind when they have a bit of success. I wanted them to move to UWE (although the 'We've got a new stadium' chant against us in Sep 2013 is always so funny to look back on now) and would love us both to be competing in the top two divisions. For a city our size, it really should be the case.

 

Whether this turns out to be as good as it looks is definitely up for debate. The seedy past Hamer has and also the fact nobody really knows what they're worth definitely should bring about doubts. However, the Al-Qadi guy spoke very sensibly and seemed smart in his interviews. They might not be rich but he can't be much worse than Nick Higgs... can he?

 

Meanwhile...

 

 

Edited February 20, 2016 by BCFC Jordan

[HoldenBall]

7 minutes ago, BCFC Jordan said:

I'm one of those people that love it when the Gas fail but also don't really mind when they have a bit of success. I wanted them to move to UWE (although the 'We've got a new stadium' chant against us in Sep 2013 is always so funny to look back on now) and would love us both to be competing in the top two divisions. For a city our size, it really should be the case.

 

Whether this turns out to be as good as it looks is definitely up for debate. The seedy past Hamer has and also the fact nobody really knows what they're worth definitely should bring about doubts. However, the Al-Qadi guy spoke very sensibly and seemed smart in his interviews. They might not be rich but he can't be much worse than Nick Higgs... can he?

 

Meanwhile...

 

 

Barber talks sense mind.. His dad though..

[Up The City!]

38 minutes ago, BCFC Jordan said:

I'm one of those people that love it when the Gas fail but also don't really mind when they have a bit of success. I wanted them to move to UWE (although the 'We've got a new stadium' chant against us in Sep 2013 is always so funny to look back on now) and would love us both to be competing in the top two divisions. For a city our size, it really should be the case.

 

Whether this turns out to be as good as it looks is definitely up for debate. The seedy past Hamer has and also the fact nobody really knows what they're worth definitely should bring about doubts. However, the Al-Qadi guy spoke very sensibly and seemed smart in his interviews. They might not be rich but he can't be much worse than Nick Higgs... can he?

 

Meanwhile...

 

 

[Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan]

34 minutes ago, Iron Man said:

His dad though..

Seemed a tad obsessed didn't he? 

Definate inferiority complex. Bizarre ramblings.

I bet he posts on Slagchat.

Edited February 20, 2016 by Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan

[Up The City!]

Wow. Just Wow. Forgetting about what his dad said about they are now bigger and better than us can someone save this video so in 5 years time when they have been shafted by the Jordan's and they are groundless and broke and playing non league we can play this on repeat on all of our big screens?

I would like to think if this was us in their position our fans wouldn't be dancing around the streets celebrating, instead, we would be asking the important questions, do you actually have any money, and what are your intentions?

[BRIAN WILSON]

What is a 'new investerment' ?? anyway do like the lad, but his dad ???????

[WayOutWest]

Couple of points to make.

Firstly, FFP has to be mentioned here.  They simply cannot just come in a build a team full of million pound players. 

Secondly, I use the analogy of a used car sales man (Higgs).  Up drives a brand new Ferrari out jumps (Al-Qadi) and starts sniffing round an MkII Ford Escort, that Higgs just put on the lot this morning, with no price.

I am interested, as Al-Qadi, how much.  Well Higgs knows its only worth a few hundred at best.  MOT needed and the interior is shocking.  The engine is shot and needs 4 new tires.  $1000 says Higgs, sold says Al-Qadi. 

Why oh why would the owner of a Ferrari buy a beaten up old escort.  There is only so much he can do with it.  Its a pile of crap and no amount of money is going to change it.

For me, we are competing against 91 other league clubs, either directly or indirectly.  They are just another one.  I think promotion to the Championship was a massive reality check for us and despite our billionaire owner have found it hard.  They will if they get there no doubt experience the same thing.

If their ownership brings them success, I hope it spurs on our club to greater things.  We need a partizan Bristol, everyone chooses a side and I am confident we will be just fine.

Stevo

 

[Wanderingred]

I'd suggest all saggies to take the "cautious optimism" approach rather than screaming from the rooftops that they are now bigger than us.

They can build their stadium in a few years... it will still be significantly smaller than ours.
They have an owner with a personal fortune of 80 million if reports are to be believed.... Not a patch on Landsdown.
They have two divisions to claw back.
They cannot throw money at players like they could have in the past.
They have no idea if this family have any idea to run a football club.

I reckon its good news for them and will stabilise them at least but a power shift in Bristol?? Don't think so!

[Son of Fred]

4 hours ago, hortonred said:

Well for a long time we have had the rich backer in Lansdown and a lot of good it has done for us.Still scraping to survive in the Championship , still not capable of signing a decent striker since last summer and a Manager with no experience of managing in the league we are in. Will they get it as wrong as we have.Is it possible well time will tell.But being the poor relations will be hard to swallow.

The fact is with the money that has been spent,and wasted here they will be hard pushed with similar investment to do worse.we should grasp the nettle and accept a challenger.its not the good supporters at bcfc that should be feeling any anxiety,though clearly many are..only people here with potential to be made look monkeys are the Lansdowne's.........

[Son of Fred]

44 minutes ago, Kim_il_sung said:

I'd suggest all saggies to take the "cautious optimism" approach rather than screaming from the rooftops that they are now bigger than us.

They can build their stadium in a few years... it will still be significantly smaller than ours.
They have an owner with a personal fortune of 80 million if reports are to be believed.... Not a patch on Landsdown.
They have two divisions to claw back.
They cannot throw money at players like they could have in the past.
They have no idea if this family have any idea to run a football club.

I reckon its good news for them and will stabilise them at least but a power shift in Bristol?? Don't think so!

Two of your points are clearly also relevant to ourselves!!...having said that you are quite right...............

[GazSaid]

1 hour ago, Kim_il_sung said:

I'd suggest all saggies to take the "cautious optimism" approach rather than screaming from the rooftops that they are now bigger than us.

They can build their stadium in a few years... it will still be significantly smaller than ours.
They have an owner with a personal fortune of 80 million if reports are to be believed.... Not a patch on Landsdown.
They have two divisions to claw back.
They cannot throw money at players like they could have in the past.
They have no idea if this family have any idea to run a football club.

I reckon its good news for them and will stabilise them at least but a power shift in Bristol?? Don't think so!

Um, not much of what you are saying here tallies from what we learned yesterday:

Stadium: the new chairman said that the new stadium opportunity is a cornerstone for buying and one they want to move quickly on. He even said they would prefer a freehold arrangement for the UWE site, rather than the agreement Higgs made for the land to be retained by UWE.

The Owners: Wael Al-Qadi is the new club President (effectively a new role compared to the past non-executive role), it appears he has about £70m. But he is heading up the purchase on behalf of his whole family - the figures aren't clear, but the family fortune appears to be £330m.

2 Divisions to claw back: Seems like before yesterday we were making a reasonable thrust of that. A far cry from when your mod were telling us to we were gone for good in the non-leagues (original title of this thread).

Cannot throw money: In 40 years we have only had one spending spree: in 2001 when we wasted 1/2 million in a month. Were rag-bag because we've never spent (or rag-ass according that thick ***** you had in charge previously).

No idea how to run a football club: The chairman has previous experience, and during every interview he did yesterday spoke factually and honestly with massive insight. The new owners are heavily involved in the Jordanian Football system, which may not be perfect, but they didn't just jump into this. The new president was educated in the UK. They do not want revolution, they want evolution.

Perhaps you might want to actually look at what has happen? most gasheads see this as a fresh start after years of austerity, your mob are still a long way ahead of us. Great banter on this thread, also masses of total, total bollocks.

 

[Wanderingred]

45 minutes ago, GazSaid said:

Um, not much of what you are saying here tallies from what we were told yesterday, and lapped up like a bunch of excited schoolkids (edited for accuracy)

Stadium: the new chairman said that the new stadium opportunity is a cornerstone for buying and one they want to move quickly on. He even said they would prefer a freehold arrangement for the UWE site, rather than the agreement Higgs made for the land to be retained by UWE.

The Owners: Wael Al-Qadi is the new club President (effectively a new role compared to the past non-executive role), it appears he has about £70m. But he is heading up the purchase on behalf of his whole family - the figures aren't clear, but the family fortune appears to be £330m.

2 Divisions to claw back: Seems like before yesterday we were making a reasonable thrust of that. A far cry from when your mod were telling us to we were gone for good in the non-leagues (original title of this thread).

Cannot throw money: In 40 years we have only had one spending spree: in 2001 when we wasted 1/2 million in a month. Were rag-bag because we've never spent (or rag-ass according that thick ***** you had in charge previously).

No idea how to run a football club: The chairman has previous experience, and during every interview he did yesterday spoke factually and honestly with massive insight. The new owners are heavily involved in the Jordanian Football system, which may not be perfect, but they didn't just jump into this. The new president was educated in the UK. They do not want revolution, they want evolution.

Perhaps you might want to actually look at what has happen? most gasheads see this as a fresh start after years of austerity, your mob are still a long way ahead of us. Great banter on this thread, also masses of total, total bollocks.

 

Typical. Out of the woodwork they all come. You've said absolutely nothing of any note to counter any of my points. What exactly have I said that's bollocks? It's all pure fact. Lets look at it again:

Your new stadium (if it gets built it's still not a given) will be much smaller than ours. FACT. That was my point, don't know why your'e blabbering on about a "freehold arrangement" or whatever.

You will not be able to spend vast amounts of money because of financial fair play. Until (if) you are at UWE, you will not generate the necessarily revenue to do so. The days of clubs being able to do that in the lower leagues are gone. FACT.

You are two divisions behind us, and as things stand that status quo will remain. We are 21st and you are 8th, outside the playoff positions. FACT. You could make the playoffs, so could about 6 other teams around you.

Your new owner may or not handle the running of your football club well. The English league is a different ball game to Jordon. Nobody will know until he starts running it. Google him, and youll see his fortune is around 80 million.

You've been crowing for years and years about how you were soon going to overtake us. It's never happened. When are you going to learn your lesson and actually shut your gobs because all you've ever done is make yourselves look silly.

Bye
 

Edited February 20, 2016 by Kim_il_sung

[Dollymarie]

^^^^ 

[GazSaid]

1 minute ago, Kim_il_sung said:

Typical. Out of the woodwork they all come. You've said absolutely nothing of any note to counter any of my points.

Your new stadium (if it gets built it's still not a given) will be much smaller than ours. That was my point, what relevance does a "freehold arrangement" have?

You will not be able to spend vast amounts of money because of financial fair play. Until (if) you are at UWE, you will not generate the necessarily revenue to do so. The days of clubs being able to do that in the lower leagues are gone.

You are two divisions behind us, and as things stand that status quo will remain. We are 21st and you are 8th, outside the playoff positions. You could make the playoffs, so could about 6 other teams around you.

Your new owner may or not handle the running of your football club well. The English league is a different ball game to Jordon. Nobody will know until he starts running it.

You've been crowing for years and years about how you were soon going to overtake us. It's never happened. When are you going to learn your lesson and actually shut your gobs because all you've ever done is make yourselves look silly.

Bye
 

Um, no, you said they'll build it in 'a few years', but the new chairman says they are good to go and are keen to move on it quickly. I don't think most Rover's fans are bothered if it is smaller than trashton, as long as we can look to fill it in the future.The point of freehold is that the new owners are interested in buying the land from UWE, not the previous arrangement (effectively a free lease) - that suggests they are prepared to invest to take the project forward.

Did you not read what I wrote - the new owners want evolution not revolution. That fits with FFP. Looking at what they have said they want sustainable long term growth, not fly-by-night cash-splashing. The new owners will need time to settle. Landsdown seems to run your mob well in L1 and atrociously in the Ch, maybe time will tell on him getting that sorted.

Football league positions are dynamic until May- we may stay in L2 or go up, you may stay in Ch or go down. We are 2 divisions behind you - the last time I checked every single club wants to be as high as possible in the league system, we aren't any different, neither are you.

We've been crowing? you've got a thread here 115pp long. A lot of your mob said we'd be gone forever when we went out of the league, when scamsbury's won etc etc, you seem to crow about us enough. I'm here because I've followed this thread for a long time, and the repeated 'fock the sags, let's hope Wonga backrupt em' style posts, after the 'non-league forever' threads prove a lot of your mob can't shut your gobs either.

By the way I've always been here, I've not crawed out of the woodwork - i'm on my third otib username, it must ran by the tool in your avatar, because the mods seem to ban gasheads for innocuous posts.

Don't say bye, this thread is bread-and-butter for otib....

 

 

[Son of Fred]

10 minutes ago, GazSaid said:

Um, no, you said they'll build it in 'a few years', but the new chairman says they are good to go and are keen to move on it quickly. I don't think most Rover's fans are bothered if it is smaller than trashton, as long as we can look to fill it in the future.The point of freehold is that the new owners are interested in buying the land from UWE, not the previous arrangement (effectively a free lease) - that suggests they are prepared to invest to take the project forward.

Did you not read what I wrote - the new owners want evolution not revolution. That fits with FFP. Looking at what they have said they want sustainable long term growth, not fly-by-night cash-splashing. The new owners will need time to settle. Landsdown seems to run your mob well in L1 and atrociously in the Ch, maybe time will tell on him getting that sorted.

Football league positions are dynamic until May- we may stay in L2 or go up, you may stay in Ch or go down. We are 2 divisions behind you - the last time I checked every single club wants to be as high as possible in the league system, we aren't any different, neither are you.

We've been crowing? you've got a thread here 115pp long. A lot of your mob said we'd be gone forever when we went out of the league, when scamsbury's won etc etc, you seem to crow about us enough. I'm here because I've followed this thread for a long time, and the repeated 'fock the sags, let's hope Wonga backrupt em' style posts, after the 'non-league forever' threads prove a lot of your mob can't shut your gobs either.

By the way I've always been here, I've not crawed out of the woodwork - i'm on my third otib username, it must ran by the tool in your avatar, because the mods seem to ban gasheads for innocuous posts.

Don't say bye, this thread is bread-and-butter for otib....

 

 

Gobshites both sides of the divide,my friend....its something we all endure......

[ten minutes of rough]

My Dad is bigger than your Dad... Fight!!!!

[cityloyal473]

9 hours ago, ten minutes of rough said:

Well constructed reply, not. Sounds like you are in a bit of denial here. It must mean they will become a real adversary to us, something to look forward to, unless you actually enjoy having the stigma in Bristol of having a non league outfit that actually does Bristol City FC no favours at all, especially when we are lumped together with them by the less well informed.   As Sweden says this might encourage SL to kick on a bit more, especially with the Bristol Sport ethos, can't see he would want to be considered the poor man of Bristol Sport really.

What do you say Monkeh? Think before you type mind, just for a change. 

 

What stigma?  Thats all on them.  I don't remember Bristol City FC being relegated to the Conference.

Should we also feel stigma because they moved to Bath, or because they stole the rugby ground, or because they are selling a war memorial, or because they intend to leave Bristol again? 

 

Edited February 20, 2016 by cityloyal473

[Stephen Lewis]

Good luck Rovers fans, like us you're going to need it.

[Up The City!]

57 minutes ago, GazSaid said:

the last time I checked every single club wants to be as high as possible in the league system, we aren't any different, neither are you

 

 

Oh sir, we are different, very very different.

Our ambition is like most other clubs, success. Hopefully that one day means the premier league but right now it's great to be back in the Championship. Small steps.

However the only ambition your club has is to finish 1 place ahead of us, even if that is by +1 GD in whatever league, that is as far as your ambitions stretch.

Yesterday I expected to hear fans talking of their joy that they may finally have some decent owners.

Instead all I heard was your lot banging on about how your now the biggest team in Bristol, and that your soon going to overtake us without anything solid to back it up. Pathetic.

But of advice that I hope to requote one day. Never ever ever ever forget where you have come from and be extremely carefull of what you wish for.

 

[ChippenhamRed]

7 hours ago, Just Red said:

They sold that soul that they are so proud of today.

Does this mean that every club who has ever received investment from someone who wasn't born with a view of the stadium from their bedroom window has "sold their soul"?

Cardiff happily gave up their very identity for a shot at the Premier League and watched their promotion with red scarves slung around their necks in a sold out stadium. They objected in meaningful numbers only when the dream turned sour. That's selling your soul. It's lazy to make the same claim of Rovers.

[Antman]

6 hours ago, BCFC Jordan said:

I'm one of those people that love it when the Gas fail but also don't really mind when they have a bit of success. I wanted them to move to UWE (although the 'We've got a new stadium' chant against us in Sep 2013 is always so funny to look back on now) and would love us both to be competing in the top two divisions. For a city our size, it really should be the case.

 

Whether this turns out to be as good as it looks is definitely up for debate. The seedy past Hamer has and also the fact nobody really knows what they're worth definitely should bring about doubts. However, the Al-Qadi guy spoke very sensibly and seemed smart in his interviews. They might not be rich but he can't be much worse than Nick Higgs... can he?

 

Meanwhile...

 

 

wow! that's a face for radio....

[Wanderingred]

1 hour ago, Just Red said:

Instead all I heard was your lot banging on about how your now the biggest team in Bristol, and that your soon going to overtake us without anything solid to back it up. Pathetic.

Totally pathetic. They are just not capable of learning their lesson are they? Agree with this...
 

24 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Does this mean that every club who has ever received investment from someone who wasn't born with a view of the stadium from their bedroom window has "sold their soul"?

Cardiff happily gave up their very identity for a shot at the Premier League and watched their promotion with red scarves slung around their necks in a sold out stadium. They objected in meaningful numbers only when the dream turned sour. That's selling your soul. It's lazy to make the same claim of Rovers.

But I also totally agree with this. They haven't "sold out", they've just got new and exciting investment. Lets not turn into them and become bitter.

[Cider red]

So how much are the jordans worth? A few million or 1.4 billion?

[Super]

2 hours ago, Kim_il_sung said:

Typical. Out of the woodwork they all come. You've said absolutely nothing of any note to counter any of my points. What exactly have I said that's bollocks? It's all pure fact. Lets look at it again:

Your new stadium (if it gets built it's still not a given) will be much smaller than ours. FACT. That was my point, don't know why your'e blabbering on about a "freehold arrangement" or whatever.

You will not be able to spend vast amounts of money because of financial fair play. Until (if) you are at UWE, you will not generate the necessarily revenue to do so. The days of clubs being able to do that in the lower leagues are gone. FACT.

You are two divisions behind us, and as things stand that status quo will remain. We are 21st and you are 8th, outside the playoff positions. FACT. You could make the playoffs, so could about 6 other teams around you.

Your new owner may or not handle the running of your football club well. The English league is a different ball game to Jordon. Nobody will know until he starts running it. Google him, and youll see his fortune is around 80 million.

You've been crowing for years and years about how you were soon going to overtake us. It's never happened. When are you going to learn your lesson and actually shut your gobs because all you've ever done is make yourselves look silly.

Bye
 

Game set and match! 

[redcityman]

11 hours ago, ten minutes of rough said:

Well constructed reply, not. Sounds like you are in a bit of denial here. It must mean they will become a real adversary to us, something to look forward to, unless you actually enjoy having the stigma in Bristol of having a non league outfit that actually does Bristol City FC no favours at all, especially when we are lumped together with them by the less well informed.   As Sweden says this might encourage SL to kick on a bit more, especially with the Bristol Sport ethos, can't see he would want to be considered the poor man of Bristol Sport really.

What do you say Monkeh? Think before you type mind, just for a change. 

 

What stigma would that be then!

Do you not class Manor Farm or Brislington FC as Bristol clubs?

 

If I was you I would forever stay indoors sweetie, wouldn't want to be recognised in the streets whilst our city as several non league clubs, how embarrassing, what would the neighbours think!

[downendcity]

Seeing Bolton's plight and mindful if our situation back in 82 I do not begrudge any club the chance to gain financial stability and to become more competitive, even it us Rovers.

For all the criticism he gets you have to ask where would we be if not for SL' financial backing?

It is good to know that this move should ensure the continued existence if our neighbours and it's the local rivalry that in part defines the two clubs - the ongoing battle to prove which is the biggest/best/most suceesful/has the wealthiest owner.

 

 

 

[Port Said Red]

12 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Steve Lansdown needs a good kick up his ass anyway, The sooner the better.

 

11 hours ago, ten minutes of rough said:

Well constructed reply, not. Sounds like you are in a bit of denial here. It must mean they will become a real adversary to us, something to look forward to, unless you actually enjoy having the stigma in Bristol of having a non league outfit that actually does Bristol City FC no favours at all, especially when we are lumped together with them by the less well informed.   As Sweden says this might encourage SL to kick on a bit more, especially with the Bristol Sport ethos, can't see he would want to be considered the poor man of Bristol Sport really.

What do you say Monkeh? Think before you type mind, just for a change. 

 

He is in the middle of building a ground we can all be proud of and has written off almost as much in investment than these Jordanians are worth. In what way does he need a kick up the arse and what else should he be spending his money on? In terms of FFP he can't just go and spend a fortune on players can he?

[Wanderingred]

3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

 

He is in the middle of building a ground we can all be proud of and has written off almost as much in investment than these Jordanians are worth. In what way does he need a kick up the arse and what else should he be spending his money on? In terms of FFP he can't just go and spend a fortune on players can he?

I don't think anybody is knocking Landsdown for his financial commitment. He's invested more into this club than these new Jordanians ever could - I think its more about the day to day running of the club which has been poor for a number of years (managerial appointments, transfers etc). That needs to improve if we are to stabilize and improve in the Championship.

[ChippenhamRed]

The whole "who's got more money" debate is fairly irrelevant at the levels of wealth we are talking about anyway.

We know Lansdown is a billionaire. For arguments sake let's say the Jordanians are even more wealthy. But what could they realistically achieve with Rovers that Lansdown couldn't afford to do with City?

Lansdown easily has enough money to build a new stadium, improve the training facilities and infrastructure, and make £multi-million bids for players. After that he is tied by financial fair play and a need to run the club in a sustainable manner.

Even if the Jordanians have ten times his wealth, what more could they do? They will encounter the same hurdles. They may now be able to compete with us, but I see no reason why this would enable them to overtake us.