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Bristol Rovers Dustbin Thread

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1 hour ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

Were that to be the case, Rob presumably Dale Vince would contractually impose his vegan belief upon his tenants (I can't believe that he'll allow meat products to be prepared in his food outlets every other week)? Thus the 15ers will need to get used to tofu so I thought I'd  better check for them on the situation regarding product expiry dates. The good news was quickly found "I have used unopened tofu 60 days after expiration" therefore the fewers' present catering standards will need no change.

Dale already thinks they're one of his 'sort' based on the tented commune they like to dwell in.

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Found an alternative ground guide earlier and had to share this Barnsley fans review of the swamp. :)

'Gary Bennett, 4th May 2019 - Bristol Rovers v Barnsley

Travel: Having been to Bristol City a few times the route was routine till we got to Bristol. But we followed the satnav and found off street parking easily enough.


Refreshments: We found a local pub on Gloucester Road and kept ourselves to ourselves as the pub was a bit lively with Rovers supporters.


Impressions: I have to be honest and say the ground is barely Football League standard and light years away from Ashton Gate. The away facilities are terrible. What's with all the tents?


Atmosphere: We went one up then went down to ten men and they got a late winner but it didn't really matter as we were back in the Championship anyway.


Exit: We hung around in the same pub and kept quiet! Then an easy drive home.


Enjoy: Bristol is a great city especially around the centre and we wish we could have stayed the weekend as we have done before. But the Rovers ground is abysmal and the area around it doesn't have too much to offer. Luckily we won't be back next season (or any time soon hopefully).'

https://www.tothe92.co.uk/groundguide/bristolrovers.html

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2 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Found an alternative ground guide earlier and had to share this Barnsley fans review of the swamp. :)

'Gary Bennett, 4th May 2019 - Bristol Rovers v Barnsley

Travel: Having been to Bristol City a few times the route was routine till we got to Bristol. But we followed the satnav and found off street parking easily enough.


Refreshments: We found a local pub on Gloucester Road and kept ourselves to ourselves as the pub was a bit lively with Rovers supporters.


Impressions: I have to be honest and say the ground is barely Football League standard and light years away from Ashton Gate. The away facilities are terrible. What's with all the tents?


Atmosphere: We went one up then went down to ten men and they got a late winner but it didn't really matter as we were back in the Championship anyway.


Exit: We hung around in the same pub and kept quiet! Then an easy drive home.


Enjoy: Bristol is a great city especially around the centre and we wish we could have stayed the weekend as we have done before. But the Rovers ground is abysmal and the area around it doesn't have too much to offer. Luckily we won't be back next season (or any time soon hopefully).'

https://www.tothe92.co.uk/groundguide/bristolrovers.html

Very likely the Tykes WILL be going back to Chernobyl next season.

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7 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

I'm going to suggest that our record in the time period you mention, which includes relegation out of the league, being knocked out of the cup by countless non league sides and never having played you in a league fixture, suggests that there is no perceivable bias toward our club by match officials.

If there is such a bias, then we are in even bigger trouble than I thought.

If some saviour doesn’t appear very soon then the end is nigh......

Wally and co haven’t got a clue where to turn with nobody willing to buy them out.

 

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2 hours ago, BCFC11 said:

If some saviour doesn’t appear very soon then the end is nigh......

Wally and co haven’t got a clue where to turn with nobody willing to buy them out.

 

They thought they’d found a solution, by listing the club for sale on eBay. 
The one bid they did receive has now been withdrawn, after one disgruntled punter said “I needed a fancy dress costume for my kids party. I offered £12.50 for a Mickey Mouse outfit, and nearly ended up as the owner of Bristol Rovers”..!

 

 

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5 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Found an alternative ground guide earlier and had to share this Barnsley fans review of the swamp. :)

'Gary Bennett, 4th May 2019 - Bristol Rovers v Barnsley

Travel: Having been to Bristol City a few times the route was routine till we got to Bristol. But we followed the satnav and found off street parking easily enough.


Refreshments: We found a local pub on Gloucester Road and kept ourselves to ourselves as the pub was a bit lively with Rovers supporters.


Impressions: I have to be honest and say the ground is barely Football League standard and light years away from Ashton Gate. The away facilities are terrible. What's with all the tents?


Atmosphere: We went one up then went down to ten men and they got a late winner but it didn't really matter as we were back in the Championship anyway.


Exit: We hung around in the same pub and kept quiet! Then an easy drive home.


Enjoy: Bristol is a great city especially around the centre and we wish we could have stayed the weekend as we have done before. But the Rovers ground is abysmal and the area around it doesn't have too much to offer. Luckily we won't be back next season (or any time soon hopefully).'

https://www.tothe92.co.uk/groundguide/bristolrovers.html

Must have been written by a shithead. Every other club`s fans love them to bits and would never say such horrid things.

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3 hours ago, BCFC11 said:

If some saviour doesn’t appear very soon then the end is nigh......

Wally and co haven’t got a clue where to turn with nobody willing to buy them out.

 

I would say that with the remaining equity in the Memorial Ground means that they are fine for another season.

Beyond that the AQs would be putting in money that they will never see back which will mean that a land deal / hobby has turned into a £3m annual drain on their finances.

I know the Lansodwns are down by £25m a year of operating losses (massively reduced last year by player sales) but that is of choice through wanting Bristol City and Bristol Sport to excel.

I can't see the AQs sucking up a £3m hit every year with smiles on their faces.

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9 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

Were that to be the case, Rob presumably Dale Vince would contractually impose his vegan belief upon his tenants (I can't believe that he'll allow meat products to be prepared in his food outlets every other week)? Thus the 15ers will need to get used to tofu so I thought I'd  better check for them on the situation regarding product expiry dates. The good news was quickly found "I have used unopened tofu 60 days after expiration" therefore the fewers' present catering standards will need no change.

You reckon their burgers contain any meat? I very much doubt it given their track record in the catering field.

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13 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

I'm going to suggest that our record in the time period you mention, which includes relegation out of the league, being knocked out of the cup by countless non league sides and never having played you in a league fixture, suggests that there is no perceivable bias toward our club by match officials.

If there is such a bias, then we are in even bigger trouble than I thought.

I agree - why on earth would officials demonstrate a bias towards Bristol Rovers?! It’s not a big enough club and refs and linos certainly wouldn’t be influenced by the ‘cauldron’ like atmosphere at the Mem 😄 - pens given in favour of the gas is not really a debate worthy to stand aside the ‘away team pens at Old Trafford and Anfield’ debates ...🍷

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2 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Must have been written by a shithead. Every other club`s fans love them to bits and would never say such horrid things.

Some shithead texted TalkSport earlier

They were debating what Pep would experience if Man City fell down the leagues and he stuck with them , as he’s promised

They Promptly read out the text

Pep would be heard mumbling. ‘Is this a circus’    what are all these tents , when he visited Bristol Roves Minimal Ground’


 

Childish  😏

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1 hour ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I would say that with the remaining equity in the Memorial Ground means that they are fine for another season.

Beyond that the AQs would be putting in money that they will never see back which will mean that a land deal / hobby has turned into a £3m annual drain on their finances.

I know the Lansodwns are down by £25m a year of operating losses (massively reduced last year by player sales) but that is of choice through wanting Bristol City and Bristol Sport to excel.

I can't see the AQs sucking up a £3m hit every year with smiles on their faces.

I would guess the without a realistic reevaluation of the Mem, the equity has all been taken. Especially with interest payable on the loans. 

@Davefevs might have more of an idea.

They shelled out (if I am correct) cash to buy the club and to pay off the debts they inherited, but secured that payment against the one fixed asset.

I think if your 'classic' case of;

Risk Free Investment (we have the UWE property/stadium deal) + nuisance kid brother + letting him scratch his football itch + no real cash changing hands (it's all secured) = HOW DO WE END THIS NIGHTMARE?

Property deal gone bad or promises made that couldn't be kept?

Either way, I would imagine a fair number of Fewers are starting to doubt the next 12 months.

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18 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I would guess the without a realistic reevaluation of the Mem, the equity has all been taken. Especially with interest payable on the loans. 

@Davefevs might have more of an idea.

They shelled out (if I am correct) cash to buy the club and to pay off the debts they inherited, but secured that payment against the one fixed asset.

I think if your 'classic' case of;

Risk Free Investment (we have the UWE property/stadium deal) + nuisance kid brother + letting him scratch his football itch + no real cash changing hands (it's all secured) = HOW DO WE END THIS NIGHTMARE?

Property deal gone bad or promises made that couldn't be kept?

Either way, I would imagine a fair number of Fewers are starting to doubt the next 12 months.

Interest is notional: they are charging it to one company and crediting it to another.

I agree with the rest of your post but think that they have one more season in which to sell or start losing money.

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21 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I would guess the without a realistic reevaluation of the Mem, the equity has all been taken. Especially with interest payable on the loans. 

@Davefevs might have more of an idea.

They shelled out (if I am correct) cash to buy the club and to pay off the debts they inherited, but secured that payment against the one fixed asset.

I think if your 'classic' case of;

Risk Free Investment (we have the UWE property/stadium deal) + nuisance kid brother + letting him scratch his football itch + no real cash changing hands (it's all secured) = HOW DO WE END THIS NIGHTMARE?

Property deal gone bad or promises made that couldn't be kept?

Either way, I would imagine a fair number of Fewers are starting to doubt the next 12 months.

No idea....only ever looked at financials in the Championship.

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8 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

I would guess the without a realistic reevaluation of the Mem, the equity has all been taken. Especially with interest payable on the loans. 

@Davefevs might have more of an idea.

They shelled out (if I am correct) cash to buy the club and to pay off the debts they inherited, but secured that payment against the one fixed asset.

I think if your 'classic' case of;

Risk Free Investment (we have the UWE property/stadium deal) + nuisance kid brother + letting him scratch his football itch + no real cash changing hands (it's all secured) = HOW DO WE END THIS NIGHTMARE?

Property deal gone bad or promises made that couldn't be kept?

Either way, I would imagine a fair number of Fewers are starting to doubt the next 12 months.

Whenever I have watched Homes Under the Hammer, they show 99% successful purchases and turn rounds.

The AQs would make a good example of that 1% they show to highlight the potential pitfalls of the property business. 
 

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21 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

Were that to be the case, Rob presumably Dale Vince would contractually impose his vegan belief upon his tenants (I can't believe that he'll allow meat products to be prepared in his food outlets every other week)? Thus the 15ers will need to get used to tofu so I thought I'd  better check for them on the situation regarding product expiry dates. The good news was quickly found "I have used unopened tofu 60 days after expiration" therefore the fewers' present catering standards will need no change.

Genuine point. I wonder how Mr Vince would feel about a world where a footba club's home fans are travelling 20/30 miles to home matches. Doesn't really fit with his view of sustainably and renewables.

21 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

Were that to be the case, Rob presumably Dale Vince would contractually impose his vegan belief upon his tenants (I can't believe that he'll allow meat products to be prepared in his food outlets every other week)? Thus the 15ers will need to get used to tofu so I thought I'd  better check for them on the situation regarding product expiry dates. The good news was quickly found "I have used unopened tofu 60 days after expiration" therefore the fewers' present catering standards will need no change.

Genuine point. I wonder how Mr Vince would feel about a world where a footba club's home fans are travelling 20/30 miles to home matches. Doesn't really fit with his view of sustainably and renewables.

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2 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Whenever I have watched Homes Under the Hammer, they show 99% successful purchases and turn rounds.

The AQs would make a good example of that 1% they show to highlight the potential pitfalls of the property business. 
 

Homes Under the Hamer didn’t go well either. 

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8 hours ago, zippycar said:

Isn't some of the debt still owed to the old owners?

It wasn't much and I think it's been paid off by now.

The vast bulk of the debt is to Dwane Sports, registered in Jersey for tax and secrecy reasons, but we don't know Dwane Sports' financial position.

The likeliest source of DS's money IMO is corporate loans from AQ controlled companies so that if they do need to write anything off then they will get a tax credit for it.  That wouldn't happen if it was personally-owned shareholdings or loans.

The charge on the ground is in favour of Dwane Sports so its lending money to BRFC counts as secured lending which comes at a lower rate then unsecured.

Per my previous post I think they have sufficient equity for one more season and then the lending becomes unsecured and they start losing money on top of the original purchase price ?£6m.

It is not a good position in which to be.  Potential buyers can read the finances as well as I can and any such will do the sensible thing and wait for either adminsitration or a sale at rock bottom price which are going to be a matter of time unless they suddenly change tack and start pumping lots of money in for a new stadium and a promotion push to try to sell the club for a premium as a successful Chamionship team.

That would be a very high risk strategy as they don't have the bottomless pockets of the Lansdown family who can budget for an annual £25m loss agaisnt the AQs' £3m.

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3 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

It wasn't much and I think it's been paid off by now.

The vast bulk of the debt is to Dwane Sports, registered in Jersey for tax and secrecy reasons, but we don't know Dwane Sports' financial position.

The likeliest source of DS's money IMO is corporate loans from AQ controlled companies so that if they do need to write anything off then they will get a tax credit for it.  That wouldn't happen if it was personally-owned shareholdings or loans.

The charge on the ground is in favour of Dwane Sports so its lending money to BRFC counts as secured lending which comes at a lower rate then unsecured.

Per my previous post I think they have sufficient equity for one more season and then the lending becomes unsecured and they start losing money on top of the original purchase price ?£6m.

It is not a good position in which to be.  Potential buyers can read the finances as well as I can and any such will do the sensible thing and wait for either adminsitration or a sale at rock bottom price which are going to be a matter of time unless they suddenly change tack and start pumping lots of money in for a new stadium and a promotion push to try to sell the club for a premium as a successful Chamionship team.

That would be a very high risk strategy as they don't have the bottomless pockets of the Lansdown family who can budget for an annual £25m loss agaisnt the AQs' £3m.

So when can we really start observing the demise? Everything is just numbers for the time being. When do we see the for sale signs go up? 

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13 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

So when can we really start observing the demise? Everything is just numbers for the time being. When do we see the for sale signs go up? 

@bert tann keeps dropping hints that there is something brewing, but his posts are so cryptic and obscure I have become convinced he is a question setter on "Only Connect", and that he can introduce me to the rather fruity Victoria Coren-Mitchell :) .

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32 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

So when can we really start observing the demise? Everything is just numbers for the time being. When do we see the for sale signs go up? 

AFAIK it has been actively marketed for sale for the last couple of years and that's why they are spending £250k on a London office each year.

These private company sales generally are not advertised in the press because that smacks of desperation; instead high net worth individuals are identified and targetted for a "marvellous investment opportunity" which is what Higgs did in finding the AQs.

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4 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said:

Wonder if there will be an repercussions to this news?

Obituary - Mr Abdul Qader al Qadi

https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2020/february/obituary-abdul-qader-al-qadi/

Maybe? I am sure they have many other things on their minds right now.  Hell of a family resemblance there by the way. Condolences to the family.

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5 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said:

Wonder if there will be an repercussions to this news?

Obituary - Mr Abdul Qader al Qadi

https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2020/february/obituary-abdul-qader-al-qadi/

One for @bert tann there; I don't think any of us know about the true internal dynamics of the family.

Does it mean that Hani has the whip hand and now forces a sale or does Wael inherit a lot and so can keep funding the Rovers?

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2 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

One for @bert tann there; I don't think any of us know about the true internal dynamics of the family.

Does it mean that Hani has the whip hand and now forces a sale or does Wael inherit a lot and so can keep funding the Rovers?

I’m sure speculation will be rife!

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33 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

One for @bert tann there; I don't think any of us know about the true internal dynamics of the family.

Does it mean that Hani has the whip hand and now forces a sale or does Wael inherit a lot and so can keep funding the Rovers?

Could be bad or good news for Rovers in equal measure.... though wouldn't say that a quickening of practical development's are very likely.. 

 I imagine the sad loss the al-qadi figurehead would not particularly alter the greater family dynamic....

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The “faithful and true” chant just isn’t true is it? We’ve got a fantastic fan base but attendances will always drop off the back of a few bad performances and season ticket sales reduce after a poor season just like any other club in the Football League.
 
 
 
 
 
They have a "Faithful and True" chant, i thought it was just a few morons on Slagchat that came out with the faithful and true line but no they have an actual chant. unbelievable.
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The “faithful and true” chant just isn’t true is it? We’ve got a fantastic fan base but attendances will always drop off the back of a few bad performances and season ticket sales reduce after a poor season just like any other club in the Football League.
 
 
 
 
 
They have a "Faithful and True" chant, i thought it was just a few morons on Slagchat that came out with the faithful and true line but no they have an actual chant. unbelievable.

TBF, it might be true.........for the fifty odd that sing it !

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The “faithful and true” chant just isn’t true is it? We’ve got a fantastic fan base but attendances will always drop off the back of a few bad performances and season ticket sales reduce after a poor season just like any other club in the Football League.
 
 
 
 
 
 
They have a "Faithful and True" chant, i thought it was just a few morons on Slagchat that came out with the faithful and true line but no they have an actual chant. unbelievable.

Isn’t the words ‘faithful and true’ included in that shockingly shit ‘anthem’ of theirs?

Its a long time since I’ve heard it up close mind.

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The “faithful and true” chant just isn’t true is it? We’ve got a fantastic fan base but attendances will always drop off the back of a few bad performances and season ticket sales reduce after a poor season just like any other club in the Football League.
 
 
 
 
 
They have a "Faithful and True" chant, i thought it was just a few morons on Slagchat that came out with the faithful and true line but no they have an actual chant. unbelievable.

They've got a fantastic fan base ? :laughcont:

Where the **** are they all then ?

Waiting for another Wembley appearance ? Oh, hang on, they only had 25k for their last one so it can't be that.

They are 11th in the third division for average attendance - fantastic fan base my arse.

 

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25 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

They've got a fantastic fan base ? :laughcont:

Where the **** are they all then ?

Waiting for another Wembley appearance ? Oh, hang on, they only had 25k for their last one so it can't be that.

They are 11th in the third division for average attendance - fantastic fan base my arse.

 

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They do have a fantastic fanbase then it's official
 
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Good god. 
They really are thick as ****

 

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No point in worrying what that lot are doing. We need to concentrate on us - the sh** will soon be the poor relation in this infrastructure redevelopment. The Bears are doing well, basketball is on the up too. All the rest is hotels, houses and a multi use indoor arena - wouldn’t be surprised If SL sold the sh**, after all, they are costing him a fortune and holding him back
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16 minutes ago, Dolman Block B said:

Good god. 
They really are thick as ****

 

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No point in worrying what that lot are doing. We need to concentrate on us - the sh** will soon be the poor relation in this infrastructure redevelopment. The Bears are doing well, basketball is on the up too. All the rest is hotels, houses and a multi use indoor arena - wouldn’t be surprised If SL sold the sh**, after all, they are costing him a fortune and holding him back

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48 minutes ago, Dolman Block B said:

Good god. 
They really are thick as ****

 

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No point in worrying what that lot are doing. We need to concentrate on us - the sh** will soon be the poor relation in this infrastructure redevelopment. The Bears are doing well, basketball is on the up too. All the rest is hotels, houses and a multi use indoor arena - wouldn’t be surprised If SL sold the sh**, after all, they are costing him a fortune and holding him back

I’m no Rugby expert but I’d be surprised if the financial rewards for Bristol Bears reaching the top flight are as high as City reaching the Premier League. As difficult as it is to believe sometimes we really aren’t that far from achieving that judging by the last 3 seasons. We already have the stadium.

Importantly, Steve Lansdown has never struck me as someone who just gives up and walks away from challenges.

Its great to see that there are STILL sagheads out there who think that SL is going to pull the plug. You’d think after 10 years of coming out with the same wishful shit they’d have taken the hint by now.

Obviously not.

 

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1 hour ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

I’m no Rugby expert but I’d be surprised if the financial rewards for Bristol Bears reaching the top flight are as high as City reaching the Premier League. As difficult as it is to believe sometimes we really aren’t that far from achieving that judging by the last 3 seasons. We already have the stadium.

Importantly, Steve Lansdown has never struck me as someone who just gives up and walks away from challenges.

Its great to see that there are STILL sagheads out there who think that SL is going to pull the plug. You’d think after 10 years of coming out with the same wishful shit they’d have taken the hint by now.

Obviously not.

 

It is all they have to cling on to. They have wet dreams just thinking about it.

If they stop believing it will happen one day they will begin to see the reality of their own situation and their tiny brains won`t be able to deal with it.

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about an hour ago via mobile stuartcampbell likes this
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They have a "Faithful and True" chant, i thought it was just a few morons on Slagchat that came out with the faithful and true line but no they have an actual chant. unbelievable.

To be fair, it's probably because it's the only thing that they could find to rhyme with 'blue' 

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1 hour ago, fgrsimon said:

To be fair, it's probably because it's the only thing that they could find to rhyme with 'blue' 

But then Blues rhymes with lose!

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20 hours ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

I’m no Rugby expert but I’d be surprised if the financial rewards for Bristol Bears reaching the top flight are as high as City reaching the Premier League. As difficult as it is to believe sometimes we really aren’t that far from achieving that judging by the last 3 seasons. We already have the stadium.

Importantly, Steve Lansdown has never struck me as someone who just gives up and walks away from challenges.

Its great to see that there are STILL sagheads out there who think that SL is going to pull the plug. You’d think after 10 years of coming out with the same wishful shit they’d have taken the hint by now.

Obviously not.

 

they really are a strange club

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23 hours ago, cidercity said:
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The “faithful and true” chant just isn’t true is it? We’ve got a fantastic fan base but attendances will always drop off the back of a few bad performances and season ticket sales reduce after a poor season just like any other club in the Football League.
 
 
 
 
 
They have a "Faithful and True" chant, i thought it was just a few morons on Slagchat that came out with the faithful and true line but no they have an actual chant. unbelievable.

I'm sure that they are faithful. They never shag their mothers behind their sisters' backs.

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