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Bristol Rovers Dustbin Thread

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4 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

That's exactly what the Lansdowns are doing, Rovers fans reckon he has £100m but who knows.

I would guess the aim is to get the club into a good position and sell; though maybe it's a long term hold.  If it was me I'd be getting out rather than adding to a debt that can't be recovered as you suggest.

Lansdown's are investing in a much bigger scheme, encompassing a whole variety of sports. Wael wouldn't have the wealth to even build a stadium and training ground, let alone any of the other plans. I reckon he's out of here as soon as he can reduce debts on the playing side and find someone to take over the club. They'll end up renting/sharing somewhere (don't let them in) and he'll move the stadium on to cover the initial investment.

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IF, and although this is obviously hypothetical it suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched, football & society  is devastated by this virus, with thousands of deaths and dozens of clubs  Rovers being one of them, go to the wall. If then City survive and the league is reformed into a much smaller number of clubs, what would you think if Lansdown announced a proposal to merge the clubs, call them Bristol United , play in red and blue etc, and he is doing it purely as a gesture to bring people together after a catastrophic period of history, what would you think?

I'm not trying to be flippant about the current awful situation and I really don't think the outcome will be as bad as the picture I have painted, but I am really interested in genuine answers.

There has been a lot of talk that this virus could bring everyone together and that we will all learn a lesson from this in many other areas of life, but would this be a step too far for you?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

IF, and although this is obviously hypothetical it suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched, football & society  is devastated by this virus, with thousands of deaths and dozens of clubs  Rovers being one of them, go to the wall. If then City survive and the league is reformed into a much smaller number of clubs, what would you think if Lansdown announced a proposal to merge the clubs, call them Bristol United , play in red and blue etc, and he is doing it purely as a gesture to bring people together after a catastrophic period of history, what would you think?

I'm not trying to be flippant about the current awful situation and I really don't think the outcome will be as bad as the picture I have painted, but I am really interested in genuine answers.

There has been a lot of talk that this virus could bring everyone together and that we will all learn a lesson from this in many other areas of life, but would this be a step too far for you?

 

 

Bit early to start drinking paint stripper isn't it?

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3 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

Bit early to start drinking paint stripper isn't it?

 

3 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

Bit early to start drinking paint stripper isn't it?

I've a spare case if you need some.

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8 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

IF, and although this is obviously hypothetical it suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched, football & society  is devastated by this virus, with thousands of deaths and dozens of clubs  Rovers being one of them, go to the wall. If then City survive and the league is reformed into a much smaller number of clubs, what would you think if Lansdown announced a proposal to merge the clubs, call them Bristol United , play in red and blue etc, and he is doing it purely as a gesture to bring people together after a catastrophic period of history, what would you think?

I'm not trying to be flippant about the current awful situation and I really don't think the outcome will be as bad as the picture I have painted, but I am really interested in genuine answers.

There has been a lot of talk that this virus could bring everyone together and that we will all learn a lesson from this in many other areas of life, but would this be a step too far for you?

 

 

If and its a big If  , if Rovers did go bust and City survived , couldn't see any reason why the two clubs would merge , how could you merge with something they don't exist.  Why we would change are name etc , fantasy to think that would happen.

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12 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

IF, and although this is obviously hypothetical it suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched, football & society  is devastated by this virus, with thousands of deaths and dozens of clubs  Rovers being one of them, go to the wall. If then City survive and the league is reformed into a much smaller number of clubs, what would you think if Lansdown announced a proposal to merge the clubs, call them Bristol United , play in red and blue etc, and he is doing it purely as a gesture to bring people together after a catastrophic period of history, what would you think?

I'm not trying to be flippant about the current awful situation and I really don't think the outcome will be as bad as the picture I have painted, but I am really interested in genuine answers.

There has been a lot of talk that this virus could bring everyone together and that we will all learn a lesson from this in many other areas of life, but would this be a step too far for you?

 

 

It does seem incredibly far fetched.

Football clubs have survived two world wars.

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9 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

IF, and although this is obviously hypothetical it suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched, football & society  is devastated by this virus, with thousands of deaths and dozens of clubs  Rovers being one of them, go to the wall. If then City survive and the league is reformed into a much smaller number of clubs, what would you think if Lansdown announced a proposal to merge the clubs, call them Bristol United , play in red and blue etc, and he is doing it purely as a gesture to bring people together after a catastrophic period of history, what would you think?

I'm not trying to be flippant about the current awful situation and I really don't think the outcome will be as bad as the picture I have painted, but I am really interested in genuine answers.

There has been a lot of talk that this virus could bring everyone together and that we will all learn a lesson from this in many other areas of life, but would this be a step too far for you?

 

 

I'm of the belief that until we have only one league club in this city, the chances of true success for any club are diminished. How that is achieved is the question. Rovers currently have little if anything to bring to the table as far as negotiations for a partnership go. So, all they have is a customer base, if the Lansdown's could encompass that into BS, then I think they would and I wouldn't be averse to it. They will have blue in our kit soon enough anyway, as part of the overall BS brand, in my opinion.

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2 minutes ago, bs3 said:

If and its a big If  , if Rovers did go bust and City survived , couldn't see any reason why the two clubs would merge , how could you merge with something they don't exist.  Why we would change are name etc , fantasy to think that would happen.

There is no reason, it was a hypothetical question, and Lansdown would be acting purely out of a desire to reunite people.

2 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

It does seem incredibly far fetched.

Football clubs have survived two world wars.

True, but like I said, it was purely hypothetical.

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17 minutes ago, Rich said:

Lansdown's are investing in a much bigger scheme, encompassing a whole variety of sports. Wael wouldn't have the wealth to even build a stadium and training ground, let alone any of the other plans. I reckon he's out of here as soon as he can reduce debts on the playing side and find someone to take over the club. They'll end up renting/sharing somewhere (don't let them in) and he'll move the stadium on to cover the initial investment.

Maybe that's more likely.

I had them flagged for selling off the ground to recoup their money by this point and then selling what was left of the club on eBay so I've been proven wrong on that score.

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35 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

IF, and although this is obviously hypothetical it suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched, football & society  is devastated by this virus, with thousands of deaths and dozens of clubs  Rovers being one of them, go to the wall. If then City survive and the league is reformed into a much smaller number of clubs, what would you think if Lansdown announced a proposal to merge the clubs, call them Bristol United , play in red and blue etc, and he is doing it purely as a gesture to bring people together after a catastrophic period of history, what would you think?

I'm not trying to be flippant about the current awful situation and I really don't think the outcome will be as bad as the picture I have painted, but I am really interested in genuine answers.

There has been a lot of talk that this virus could bring everyone together and that we will all learn a lesson from this in many other areas of life, but would this be a step too far for you?

 

 

Stay safe Miah. I know this self isolating can cause people to go a bit mad . ;)

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20 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

There is no reason, it was a hypothetical question, and Lansdown would be acting purely out of a desire to reunite people.

True, but like I said, it was purely hypothetical.

Yes I understand what you are saying but I just see in any circumstance this would happen. 

 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

IF, and although this is obviously hypothetical it suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched, football & society  is devastated by this virus, with thousands of deaths and dozens of clubs  Rovers being one of them, go to the wall. If then City survive and the league is reformed into a much smaller number of clubs, what would you think if Lansdown announced a proposal to merge the clubs, call them Bristol United , play in red and blue etc, and he is doing it purely as a gesture to bring people together after a catastrophic period of history, what would you think?

I'm not trying to be flippant about the current awful situation and I really don't think the outcome will be as bad as the picture I have painted, but I am really interested in genuine answers.

There has been a lot of talk that this virus could bring everyone together and that we will all learn a lesson from this in many other areas of life, but would this be a step too far for you?

 

 

No no and no. 

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2 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I absolutely agree.

However I detect a new tenor in the communication from Wael that gas fans seem to be missing.

Following the death of their father this year the family wealth and control of same has been redistributed. Wael will be richer in his own right.

I go along with the takeover being a land deal that went wrong but what Wael is now saying is that he's going to keep underwriting the losses and trying to improve it.

Whether he has sufficiently deep pockets to keep losing £3m a year is another matter but for the short to medium term this looks to be the case.

I'm surprised by the gloom and doom amongst the fewers tbh.

 

47 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Yes, but spunking 24million of a 100million fortune (questionable) is far more concerning than INVESTING 200million of a near 2Billion fortune..! 

I think BBS3 has got the right end of the stick Eddie, the few sensible gasheads can see that if he is paying in £3m a year to maintain the club, it doesn't leave much room for any investment, let alone that required to make them competitive in Bristol or anywhere else.

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25 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

There is no reason, it was a hypothetical question, and Lansdown would be acting purely out of a desire to reunite people.

True, but like I said, it was purely hypothetical.

I hope it doesn't come to this point purely because if the economy crashed so badly that clubs just disappeared (quite possible) then there would be far greater problems facing us than worrying about football and the plight of our two teams.

We have to hope that life returns to some degree of normality on a global scale to provide a base on which luxury activities like football can still be part of our lives.

As hypothetical as your question is, I don't want to consider it for these reasons. By default, I actually want Rovers to survive this episode and for you to still have your club - that would be a measure of us coming out of this terrifying time relatively unscathed.

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38 minutes ago, Rich said:

I'm of the belief that until we have only one league club in this city, the chances of true success for any club are diminished

I have no idea why this would be the case. 

Look at Sheffield, two clubs and United are doing very well. 

Actually are there any other 2 club cities apart from us, Sheffield, Manchester and Liverpool? Good quiz question here. 

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10 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

 

I think BBS3 has got the right end of the stick Eddie, the few sensible gasheads can see that if he is paying in £3m a year to maintain the club, it doesn't leave much room for any investment, let alone that required to make them competitive in Bristol or anywhere else.

Yes, I may have been over-compensating for my expecting them to have been bust by now.

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5 minutes ago, Selred said:

I have no idea why this would be the case. 

Look at Sheffield, two clubs and United are doing very well. 

Actually are there any other 2 club cities apart from us, Sheffield, Manchester and Liverpool? Good quiz question here. 

Usually phrased as "How many English league derbies?".

Straight in with the hard one: Port Vale vs Sjoke.

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7 minutes ago, Selred said:

I have no idea why this would be the case. 

Look at Sheffield, two clubs and United are doing very well. 

Actually are there any other 2 club cities apart from us, Sheffield, Manchester and Liverpool? Good quiz question here. 

I guess we are not counting London? I often think of Southampton and Portsmouth as two sides of the same coin although, Saints fans probably consider Bournemouth their local derby these days.

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19 minutes ago, Xiled said:

I hope it doesn't come to this point purely because if the economy crashed so badly that clubs just disappeared (quite possible) then there would be far greater problems facing us than worrying about football and the plight of our two teams.

We have to hope that life returns to some degree of normality on a global scale to provide a base on which luxury activities like football can still be part of our lives.

As hypothetical as your question is, I don't want to consider it for these reasons. By default, I actually want Rovers to survive this episode and for you to still have your club - that would be a measure of us coming out of this terrifying time relatively unscathed.

I agree, for now. 
How can we laugh at Rovers losing & getting relegated, if they aren’t there to do it..?! 
Eventually though, yes. Go bust and die a slow painful death. But because they are a bunch of delusional cretins - not because there’s a global pandemic..! 

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4 hours ago, myol'man said:

Home to Rochdale today then, another massive crowd expected at the glorious  Al-Qida Arena

Should be pushing 6,000 if the rain stays off 

Still 0-0

Less than 5,000 crowd

#garnerin

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An opportunity to relive one of the greatest moments in sporting history.

A chance to tell the good people of Bristol how much you laughed at the Thatcher years, a dog dying and how we were all there in the away end.

 

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1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said:

Stay safe Miah. I know this self isolating can cause people to think they are at a Rovers home game. ;)

Corrected for you. 

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1 hour ago, Miah Dennehy said:

There is no reason, it was a hypothetical question, and Lansdown would be acting purely out of a desire to reunite people.

True, but like I said, it was purely hypothetical.

Well for one, most of your fans won't go in Trashton to even watch the Rugby or a gig, so why would they go there to watch us Sheeds (as it would be us because none of your squad would get in our matchday one). Secondly, we are a near sellout most home games, so even if they were willing to go down there we just wouldn't have the space, and thousands upon thousands would be locked out (like most of your away games).

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2 hours ago, Selred said:

I have no idea why this would be the case. 

Look at Sheffield, two clubs and United are doing very well. 

Actually are there any other 2 club cities apart from us, Sheffield, Manchester and Liverpool? Good quiz question here. 

 

1 hour ago, Eddie Hitler said:

Usually phrased as "How many English league derbies?".

Straight in with the hard one: Port Vale vs Sjoke.

Only missing Birmingham here.

And Nottingham should be if County weren't run atrociously in years past. County 3rd in the national league atm.

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1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

An opportunity to relive one of the greatest moments in sporting history.

A chance to tell the good people of Bristol how much you laughed at the Thatcher years, a dog dying and how we were all there in the away end.

 

Any one asked for Spurs v Rovers ? 
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 Tottenham.

 

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4 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

There is no reason, it was a hypothetical question, and Lansdown would be acting purely out of a desire to reunite people.

True, but like I said, it was purely hypothetical.

Reunite people?

Surely, in the first instance, you would need some sort of fan base?

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One problem with this merging nonsense is that under EFL rules, as I understand it, any merger would have to result in the merged clubs taking over the lower clubs position in the EFL.

Non-starter.

 

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4 hours ago, Selred said:

I have no idea why this would be the case. 

Look at Sheffield, two clubs and United are doing very well. 

Actually are there any other 2 club cities apart from us, Sheffield, Manchester and Liverpool? Good quiz question here. 

Hornets nest here, as there are a host of opinions and valid reasons why we should and should not be competing at the top table. I believe we could and we should be aiming for the very top, as a regional club not just a Bristol club. There is a massive latent population in the football wilderness on our doorstep, from Gloucester to Taunton and in some cases further. Should we be able to make the step up and, more importantly, maintain that step up we should aim to tap into that possible support. I believe that is partly why Bristol Sport has been put in place. It is working to a degree with evidence of increasing cross sport support and it's still in it's infancy.

We are not a city of vast population all interested in football. We are a diverse city, with a more even spread of wealth than other cities that are renowned for being supportive of their clubs. There has always been a population employed in the various parts of industry, from steel making to commerce in Bristol. Sheffield, Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham are what are classed as working class cities with a large working class support base for their clubs. Football has traditionally been a working mans game supported by working class people. There is just a much larger core of support in those larger cities.

Having said that, the game is changing and the chances of smaller less well supported clubs getting a chance is improving but, FFP will reintroduce the chances of the traditional big well supported clubs maintaining their dominance in the long term in my opinion.

I believe that to truly be successful in our city, we need to concentrate what interest there is in football, into supporting one club. I'm actually surprised that we and the cuckoos actually attract the levels of support we do, considering the historic dross we've had to put up with over the years.

 

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6 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

IF, and although this is obviously hypothetical it suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched, football & society  is devastated by this virus, with thousands of deaths and dozens of clubs  Rovers being one of them, go to the wall. If then City survive and the league is reformed into a much smaller number of clubs, what would you think if Lansdown announced a proposal to merge the clubs, call them Bristol United , play in red and blue etc, and he is doing it purely as a gesture to bring people together after a catastrophic period of history, what would you think?

I'm not trying to be flippant about the current awful situation and I really don't think the outcome will be as bad as the picture I have painted, but I am really interested in genuine answers.

There has been a lot of talk that this virus could bring everyone together and that we will all learn a lesson from this in many other areas of life, but would this be a step too far for you?

 

 

How would you feel about having to watch many players costing over £350,000 each?

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1 hour ago, JackofromSanJavier said:

I used an old hand-operated calculator/abacus when I was working at Barclays Bank in the early 70's.  

We went digital when this little beauty came out, mind. 

 

 

abacus.jpg

That's what Wally uses to sort out his pennies...

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17 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

There is no reason, it was a hypothetical question, and Lansdown would be acting purely out of a desire to reunite people.

True, but like I said, it was purely hypothetical.

I don't think you have anything we want/need not even a customer base. Many fans still wont enter our ground to watch rugby despite being fans for years at the mem. I have also heard of many refusing to come to the concerts we have here saying 'I'm not going to give a penny to that Lansdown'.

So in effect we would wipe you out and hold out the hand of friendship, well to be honest if I were one of you I wouldn't accept it so I don't expect you to. Society will need enough healing when we get back to the new normal, but lets keep football how it was in the rivalry sense

 

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15 hours ago, wood_red said:

Well for one, most of your fans won't go in Trashton to even watch the Rugby or a gig, so why would they go there to watch us Sheeds (as it would be us because none of your squad would get in our matchday one). Secondly, we are a near sellout most home games, so even if they were willing to go down there we just wouldn't have the space, and thousands upon thousands would be locked out (like most of your away games).

oops, I replied to a post without reading to the end of the thread. You made the same points as me only hours apart...so we must be right then 😀

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42 minutes ago, RedM said:

I don't think you have anything we want/need not even a customer base. Many fans still wont enter our ground to watch rugby despite being fans for years at the mem. I have also heard of many refusing to come to the concerts we have here saying 'I'm not going to give a penny to that Lansdown'.

So in effect we would wipe you out and hold out the hand of friendship, well to be honest if I were one of you I wouldn't accept it so I don't expect you to. Society will need enough healing when we get back to the new normal, but lets keep football how it was in the rivalry sense

 

Yes, that was the point, I was imagining Lansdown doing it as some altruistic gesture. I think I have my answer anyway :)

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19 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

IF, and although this is obviously hypothetical it suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched, football & society  is devastated by this virus, with thousands of deaths and dozens of clubs  Rovers being one of them, go to the wall. If then City survive and the league is reformed into a much smaller number of clubs, what would you think if Lansdown announced a proposal to merge the clubs, call them Bristol United , play in red and blue etc, and he is doing it purely as a gesture to bring people together after a catastrophic period of history, what would you think?

I'm not trying to be flippant about the current awful situation and I really don't think the outcome will be as bad as the picture I have painted, but I am really interested in genuine answers.

There has been a lot of talk that this virus could bring everyone together and that we will all learn a lesson from this in many other areas of life, but would this be a step too far for you?

 

 

After your lot activity wanting us to go bust in 82 and trying to get your hands on Ashton gate. The block by rovers over a bail out by the council. I for one would celebrate joyously if you went bust ( not that I think it’ll happen) . Bring people together !😂😂 when it’s suits you and are in the shit. Boot on the other foot you’d have it on our throats . Not a chance in hell it would happen . 

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7 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

After your lot activity wanting us to go bust in 82 and trying to get your hands on Ashton gate. The block by rovers over a bail out by the council. I for one would celebrate joyously if you went bust ( not that I think it’ll happen) . Bring people together !😂😂 when it’s suits you and are in the shit. Boot on the other foot you’d have it on our throats . Not a chance in hell it would happen . 

Its the last time I will say it was a hypothetical question that if Lansdown suggested in a spirit of altruism would you support it. I'm not suggesting it, or advocating it, I wish I hadn't asked :)

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19 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

I actually said: - I do not see any value there financially or altruistically.

 

19 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

Maybe that's more likely.

I had them flagged for selling off the ground to recoup their money by this point and then selling what was left of the club on eBay so I've been proven wrong on that score.

If they are 24 million in debt I am afraid the sale of their ground won't nearly be enough to clean that slate and by a long chalk.

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1 hour ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Yes, that was the point, I was imagining Lansdown doing it as some altruistic gesture. I think I have my answer anyway :)

I'm currently reading a book about City's all time record cap holder for England - Billy Wedlock - and it's quite an eye opener to hear that back in the late 1890's, Bedminster and Bristol City(formally Bristol South End) we're major rivals, and yet they wanted to move forward and become a powerhouse in footballing terms, and so amalgamated.

Similar circumstances to what you're describing as there was a strong rivalry between the two, and pretty much all of the assets from one club was used compared to the other, the exception being the two grounds, whereby the newly merged club shared grounds between Ashton Gate and St Johns lane before eventually settling on Ashton Gate.

I guess, if we want Bristol to be a big player within the country, then a Bristol United would (with emotion set aside) be the best way for the entire city to get behind one club.

Personally, I'd miss the intense rivalry as there's no other game that comes close to a Bristol derby, but in my eyes, if I was to look at it objectively - a merger would be way forward to giving the WHOLE city the impetus it needs.

Fundamentally, you'd need to ask yourself why you watch football? Is it to win trophies, or is it because of the historical meaning of having generations of family supporting and following your club. My family all hailed from Bedminster and so City is my club, however I now live in Kingswood, and we know there are supporters of (any) club that are spread throughout the entire Country, if not the World. I know fans who sit next to me at Ashton Gate who are from Oxford, Southampton, and I have one friend who lives in New York and attends whenever he's back.

Football has changed now from being a locally supported club, to being a global commodity. It appears to me, that if people want an intimate part of football, then following amateur grass roots football is probably the better alternative these days, which kind of harks back to what City, Rovers and other clubs used to be like until the money came in and made it a global sport. Proof of the pudding being, how many clubs are now owned by local businesses in the community - pretty much a majority of the top 40 clubs are owned by nobody with any affiliation to the clubs locality.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

 

If they are 24 million in debt I am afraid the sale of their ground won't nearly be enough to clean that slate and by a long chalk.

Some of them were claiming that it could be that level by doing calculations on Bristol land values for particular uses.

It's not an area I know at all and it could have been a circle jerk but they seemed fairly confident.

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4 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Its the last time I will say it was a hypothetical question that if Lansdown suggested in a spirit of altruism would you support it. I'm not suggesting it, or advocating it, I wish I hadn't asked :)

I get that Miah .I'm sure you just do it to anger up the blood 😂 fair play, reading your post was the first time I’ve had the rivalry emotions for a few weeks 👍🏻

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23 minutes ago, beaverface said:

Proof of the pudding being, how many clubs are now owned by local businesses in the community - pretty much a majority of the top 40 clubs are owned by nobody with any affiliation to the clubs locality.

I would say between 1/3 and 1/4 are owned locally in the top two divisions, but I must admit there are some clubs I know very little about.

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37 minutes ago, beaverface said:

I'm currently reading a book about City's all time record cap holder for England - Billy Wedlock - and it's quite an eye opener to hear that back in the late 1890's, Bedminster and Bristol City(formally Bristol South End) we're major rivals, and yet they wanted to move forward and become a powerhouse in footballing terms, and so amalgamated.

Similar circumstances to what you're describing as there was a strong rivalry between the two, and pretty much all of the assets from one club was used compared to the other, the exception being the two grounds, whereby the newly merged club shared grounds between Ashton Gate and St Johns lane before eventually settling on Ashton Gate.

I guess, if we want Bristol to be a big player within the country, then a Bristol United would (with emotion set aside) be the best way for the entire city to get behind one club.

Personally, I'd miss the intense rivalry as there's no other game that comes close to a Bristol derby, but in my eyes, if I was to look at it objectively - a merger would be way forward to giving the WHOLE city the impetus it needs.

Fundamentally, you'd need to ask yourself why you watch football? Is it to win trophies, or is it because of the historical meaning of having generations of family supporting and following your club. My family all hailed from Bedminster and so City is my club, however I now live in Kingswood, and we know there are supporters of (any) club that are spread throughout the entire Country, if not the World. I know fans who sit next to me at Ashton Gate who are from Oxford, Southampton, and I have one friend who lives in New York and attends whenever he's back.

Football has changed now from being a locally supported club, to being a global commodity. It appears to me, that if people want an intimate part of football, then following amateur grass roots football is probably the better alternative these days, which kind of harks back to what City, Rovers and other clubs used to be like until the money came in and made it a global sport. Proof of the pudding being, how many clubs are now owned by local businesses in the community - pretty much a majority of the top 40 clubs are owned by nobody with any affiliation to the clubs locality.

 

 

No merger required. Rovers struggle to keep the supporters they already have, let alone attract new supporters.

They are in the process of dismantling their club, bit by bit, year by year. 

If they had an active and committed fan base, they would have stopped the rot years back, but their collective apathy in not holding either their board to account whilst seemingly voting a fan to the board who doesn't communicate with them tells you how much they don't care.

I'm sure for a lot of them, the sooner they are put out of their misery the better.

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41 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said:

I would say between 1/3 and 1/4 are owned locally in the top two divisions, but I must admit there are some clubs I know very little about.

Just off the top of my head with zero research, us, Stoke, Boro, Brighton, Everton, Spurs, West Ham(?), Luton, Preston, Burnley (?), Newcastle, Hull, Norwich, Millwall (?), Derby.

Probably one or two more (and one or two of those above that I`ve missed takeovers) but 25% looks about right.

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The trouble the saggys have is that they have no real way of generating further cash out of the Mem unless their gates significantly increase. 

As it stands (sorry, as it tents) at the moment, in order to generate more revenue Wally needs to spend proportionally more revenue. 

Let's be honest, without a new ground they are are never going to progress. Whoever owns them is going to find it impossible to close the gap between income and out goings. I would be willing to bet that City make more money on match days from concessions sales, bars, the fanzone and shops than the Sags get from non season ticket match day ticket revenues. 

Their training ground is dead money hence its a muddy patch of scrub land. There is no way of generating short term cash from it so its going nowhere. The family have tried to spend some cash polishing the turd that is the Mem. A tent here, a TV screen there and that has enabled a few quid to be added to the ticket prices, screen a few more adverts and increase the price of sausage rolls. 

That 3.4 million pound gap won't be closed unless more people click through the turnstiles. 

It's all nice and lovely that their nice man with his lovely watch wants to keep the club going but in the long run he has two options, significant investment or sale. The longer he waits, the more he needs to spend to close the financial hole or the more of an asking price he needs to put on the club. 

In the short term they will keep ticking along but in the long run, with their debt the highest its probably ever been, their gates at what they've always been, no significant value in the team and the ground massively secured through a foreign shell company to enable the owners to have at least some form of financial exit, they are in deep poop. 

If there is no sign of any big investment in facilities or finance in the next 18 months, I can't see how they can come back. 

Oh, shame. 

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On 28/03/2020 at 11:03, old parkender said:

That was another gas exaggeration as well, it was a Franck mueller black conquistador, approx £6k. Not like the gas to inflate numbers is it. 

Probably got it on 'the tick' anyway... 

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2 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Its the last time I will say it was a hypothetical question that if Lansdown suggested in a spirit of altruism would you support it. I'm not suggesting it, or advocating it, I wish I hadn't asked :)

Goodnight Irene.. 

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3 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Its the last time I will say it was a hypothetical question that if Lansdown suggested in a spirit of altruism would you support it. I'm not suggesting it, or advocating it, I wish I hadn't asked :)

 

I would say you could all go hypothetically **** yourselves. 

It'll never happen.

 

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