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Bristol Rovers Dustbin Thread


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If Sainsburys have done nothing wrong in legal terms therein it ends. There'll be no compo to appease nor will there be a slap on Sainsburys over conduct - although they may get reprimanded if they haven't acted bona fide.

There are more examples of totally innocent parties ending up out of pocket or even mistreated with no right to compo than there are posts on this forum about SOD. Sympathy or empathy won't get them anywhere.

I can't recall the term used but, it referred to a party deliberately dragging their feet to make sure the contract could not be completed satisfactorily by the other party. I believe this is what Rovers claimed. If that were the case, perhaps the judge might be persuaded to award some compensation to the wronged party. But I await your wisdom on the matter, as sometimes the law isn't so cut and dried, as we found out with AV and tvg applications.
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Whilst Sainsbury's appear to have been 'prevarication personified' in discharging aspects of their obligation I wonder how much emphasis will be placed by the judge on what appears to be the first attempt to unilaterally vary the 'terms of the deal', namely Higgs seeking to amend in Rovers' favour liability in respect of the CIL? I've been involved in deals whereby first 'loss of trust' has been key if it establishes the party seeking variation weren't as honourable or committed as their outward intentions appeared. If Higgs was to be taken at his word and the deal fallen through should Sainsbury's not uprate their CIL contribution then reasonably one might ask whether, at that point, the intent to conclude the contract (a key component in contract law) had dissipated?

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I can't recall the term used but, it referred to a party deliberately dragging their feet to make sure the contract could not be completed satisfactorily by the other party. I believe this is what Rovers claimed. If that were the case, perhaps the judge might be persuaded to award some compensation to the wronged party. But I await your wisdom on the matter, as sometimes the law isn't so cut and dried, as we found out with AV and tvg applications.

But it wasn't completely sainsburys fault

Not getting the conditions they wanted then losing the appeal,

Rovers won the appeal but I think that may be dodgy on the councils part (something sainsburys brought up in court)

The verious jr involved again not sainsburys fault

Rovers trying to shaft them on some money issues (which the gas admitted in court) again not sainsburys fault

Listening to the reaction from the case it came across as rovers trying to play the victim of the evil sainsburys which the judge saw through,

The the main telling thing about it was the fact it was sainsburys that took rovers to court not the other way round as pigs and co would of had us believe

I think that is one of the reasons dunceford left because he knew it's going tits up and wanted out

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I can't recall the term used but, it referred to a party deliberately dragging their feet to make sure the contract could not be completed satisfactorily by the other party. I believe this is what Rovers claimed. If that were the case, perhaps the judge might be persuaded to award some compensation to the wronged party. But I await your wisdom on the matter, as sometimes the law isn't so cut and dried, as we found out with AV and tvg applications.

Ah, no you are absolutely bang on. I was picking up on the 'done nothing wrong legally' comment in relation to dragging their heels. I suppose the point there is again it turns on the contract and really what it required of Sainsburys. Their delays could in the circumstances be reasonable, so no compo even if they were heel-dragging.

That's why predictions aren't really worth making, I'd say even of those who went along to watch. Simply because you really need to have the contract, read it cover to cover and get the themes and the essence of 'ok what did the parties actually agree to here' because the Courts will rarely infer or imply terms. Largely, it is what it is.

Explains why it's such a laborious task making judgment. If complex it's not a case of listening to what's presented in Court and getting a feeling. She may be painstakingly going through the contract, evidence of negotiations leading there, correspondence after etc. To a Rovers fan it might feel like it's taken ages but there's an unthinkable amount of work to do... And then write the damn thing, all the meanwhile juggling other cases.

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Why would it bite us in the bum,

Their club will remain a joke and the laughing stock of the football league,

They brought it on the self trying to sue other clubs when the get relegated

Or proclaiming they are massive with a huge fan base the envoy of the football league

Because they are lucky bar stewards, who most likely will come up smelling of roses and overtake us,to become champions of England, then Europe in a stadium to make Real Madrid jealious.
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Ah, no you are absolutely bang on. I was picking up on the 'done nothing wrong legally' comment in relation to dragging their heels. I suppose the point there is again it turns on the contract and really what it required of Sainsburys. Their delays could in the circumstances be reasonable, so no compo even if they were heel-dragging.

That's why predictions aren't really worth making, I'd say even of those who went along to watch. Simply because you really need to have the contract, read it cover to cover and get the themes and the essence of 'ok what did the parties actually agree to here' because the Courts will rarely infer or imply terms. Largely, it is what it is.

Explains why it's such a laborious task making judgment. If complex it's not a case of listening to what's presented in Court and getting a feeling. She may be painstakingly going through the contract, evidence of negotiations leading there, correspondence after etc. To a Rovers fan it might feel like it's taken ages but there's an unthinkable amount of work to do... And then write the damn thing, all the meanwhile juggling other cases.

You are correct. I know people that worked on the case and I can tell you that no one has a scooby which way this will go.

My inkling is that this is a messy case tho and I suspect neither party will get what they want in totality.

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So has there got to be a winner here or could there be a compromise where both sides get to save face? I'm thinking to get this far, go through this court case, and that all avenues of mediation and negotiation have been explored, so winner takes all?

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So has there got to be a winner here or could there be a compromise where both sides get to save face? I'm thinking to get this far, go through this court case, and that all avenues of mediation and negotiation have been explored, so winner takes all?

No compensation will be decide at this stage redm,

This case is about whether sainsburys can legally terminate their contract with the gas,

Yes and no money will change hands

No and they will have to go through another court case to decide compensation etc.......

This is just the beginning of a very long and drawn out process and don't be surprised if this rumbles on for a few years

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Shoot me down if you wish, but will there ever be a day when rovers aren't discussed in so much detail on this forum?  I can't be the only one who feels sick of seeing their name seemingly glued to the pages of OTIB for almost 2 years now.  Sorry, I just had to say it and get it off my chest!!!

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Shoot me down if you wish, but will there ever be a day when rovers aren't discussed in so much detail on this forum?  I can't be the only one who feels sick of seeing their name seemingly glued to the pages of OTIB for almost 2 years now.  Sorry, I just had to say it and get it off my chest!!!

Hopefully a day will come, the day they go bust.

Until then I'm enjoying the constant piss taking.

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Shoot me down if you wish, but will there ever be a day when rovers aren't discussed in so much detail on this forum?  I can't be the only one who feels sick of seeing their name seemingly glued to the pages of OTIB for almost 2 years now.  Sorry, I just had to say it and get it off my chest!!!

 

There's plenty of other threads to check in on. The one that is dedicated to them, to appease people who got fed up with several threads, quite clearly will contain detailed discussion. It's in the only place for it to go, the football section, because when there was a 'BCFC Only' forum people complained that there was no general football chat within.

 

Not really sure why you despair, or indeed compounded the despair by contributing to having the thread 'glued to page one of OTIB'...

 

And I'm not being funny, but in the past two years you've had the slide to relegation, them playing in the Conference and then this whole saga in between. God knows why you're surprised people are laughing and chipping in?!

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Hate seeing their name anywhere - but as 29AR alluded to, it's been one hell of a piss take the past few years!!

 

For those of us around for many years, will remember being on the end of stick (1990's) so it's nice to enjoy their current demise

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Hate seeing their name anywhere - but as 29AR alluded to, it's been one hell of a piss take the past few years!!

 

For those of us around for many years, will remember being on the end of stick (1990's) so it's nice to enjoy their current demise

 

Indeed, for anyone at school in the late 80s early 90s it was a bloody nightmare and I attended one in north Bristol.

 

This is where my utter dislike for them stems from even though they continue to be pretty much irrelevant to us these days.

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Shoot me down if you wish, but will there ever be a day when rovers aren't discussed in so much detail on this forum?  I can't be the only one who feels sick of seeing their name seemingly glued to the pages of OTIB for almost 2 years now.  Sorry, I just had to say it and get it off my chest!!!

I like to think that I can learn something everyday, I don't close my mind off to many things. This thread has been a piss take yes, but for me has been an education about law, courts, business etc. Yes it happens to be about our lesser neighbours but could apply to any business, but as it has been about them I've taken an interest and people have answered the dumb questions I've asked with good grace, thank you.

It's your right not to be interested about them, but we really have tried to put all the threads in this one and people have posted in here too. Basically it's easy to avoid if you don't want to read or contribute, just don't click on it!

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So it's likely to drag-on for months and months?

 

Again probably too many uncertainties to say anything is likely, for example internally both might not have any appetite to appeal any further or they may not even get leave to. But it doesn't take much creative thinking to see that this could rumble on as Monkeh says for significantly longer than months and months...

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Again probably too many uncertainties to say anything is likely, for example internally both might not have any appetite to appeal any further or they may not even get leave to. But it doesn't take much creative thinking to see that this could rumble on as Monkeh says for significantly longer than months and months...

I would have thought this was unlikely though purely down to the fact that the gas are unlikely to be able to afford anymore litigation or take out any more Wonga loans. Unless you know of any lawyers prepared to do it pro bono :)

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I like to think that I can learn something everyday, I don't close my mind off to many things. This thread has been a piss take yes, but for me has been an education about law, courts, business etc. Yes it happens to be about our lesser neighbours but could apply to any business, but as it has been about them I've taken an interest and people have answered the dumb questions I've asked with good grace, thank you.

It's your right not to be interested about them, but we really have tried to put all the threads in this one and people have posted in here too. Basically it's easy to avoid if you don't want to read or contribute, just don't click on it!

 

Come on though, don't you get fed up with seeing the words Basement ' ROVERS' in the first page every day???

 

I loathe them so much, I'd much prefer they didn't even exist.

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I would have thought this was unlikely though purely down to the fact that the gas are unlikely to be able to afford anymore litigation or take out any more Wonga loans. Unless you know of any lawyers prepared to do it pro bono :)

 

I know he loves charity but not even Bono would help the Gas. ;)

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Indeed, for anyone at school in the late 80s early 90s it was a bloody nightmare and I attended one in north Bristol.

 

This is where my utter dislike for them stems from even though they continue to be pretty much irrelevant to us these days.

Bang on, if you don't know why we take the p*ss out of Rovers you are either too young to remember when they hand the upper hand in the derbies or you are so old you remember going to Ashton one week and Eastville the next. I went to school in East Bristol in the mid 80s to early 90s and it was relentless until the tide started to turn.

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