elhombrecito Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: With games against Forest and Brentford it really doesnt matter too much if both are awarded walkover 3-0 wins. If their results were cancelled it'd knock 6 off Boro, 4 off us and 3 off Derby so the latter would be laughing. Just now, Malago said: Their two remaining games are Brentford H, Forest A. Both meaningless wrt to promotion/relegation. My guess is if they are unfulfilled , the EFL award 3-0 victories to Brentford and Forest. Yeah, I can't see that the EFL would disrupt the play-off race by cancelling the 44 games that have been actually played, for the sake of 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Interestingly, should Bolton's players go ahead with their threat and the Club's results be expunged, City would lose 4 points, Middlebrough 6, but Derby only 3. Assuming we beat Derby on Saturday, this could actually work in our favour.... Of course, far more likely is that the problem will be resolved before kick-off tomorrow, but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Villa would lose 6 points as well, would put them right back amongst it. Can’t see it happening though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Villa would lose 6 points as well, would put them right back amongst it. Can’t see it happening though. Nor me, as said above their two remaining games are inconsequential. Cant blame the players they are almost due this months wages never mind March! You can be sure that they are far from the only creditors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highburnred Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 If we finished ahead of Derby in a play off position by goal difference alone , how long would it take for them to insist on all Bolton's results being declared null and void if the last two games are awarded as 3-0 wins without being played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 There is no way the FA will start taking points off of other clubs in regards to results against Bolton this season. That would be chaotic, nonsensical and asking for trouble Hold on, it's the F.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: There is no way the FA will start taking points off of other clubs in regards to results against Bolton this season. That would be chaotic, nonsensical and asking for trouble Hold on, it's the F.A. No. No it's not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: There is no way the FA will start taking points off of other clubs in regards to results against Bolton this season. That would be chaotic, nonsensical and asking for trouble Hold on, it's the F.A. You could put Mr. Bean in charge and get more rational decisions than the FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: There is no way the FA will start taking points off of other clubs in regards to results against Bolton this season. That would be chaotic, nonsensical and asking for trouble Hold on, it's the F.A. The FA " Hold my beer " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Good on them. None of us would work if we weren't getting paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: There is no way the FA will start taking points off of other clubs in regards to results against Bolton this season. That would be chaotic, nonsensical and asking for trouble Hold on, it's the F.A. Well they wouldn’t if their favoured teams would lose out. Now if we were top or some other unfancied team it would of course be different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandwhitescarf Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Villa would lose 6 points as well, would put them right back amongst it. Can’t see it happening though. Boro would also lose 6 points against our 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, Davefevs said: So what's likely to happen here? My guess is Bailey Wright gets a ban and Aston Villa get a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said: So what's likely to happen here? My guess is Bailey Wright gets a ban and Aston Villa get a penalty. and our Fammay ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: and our Fammay ? Depends on whether Harlee Dean writes a letter detailing his latest hallucinations or not. If he does then of course Fammy gets banned. "Deer EFL I sawed Famara Jayjoo lick da envylope wiv the Bolton players monee" 6 game ban incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 I wonder what the rule book says... I'll wager it isn't online, just so the FA can do what they fancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 21 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: I wonder what the rule book says... I'll wager it isn't online, just so the FA can do what they fancy. In the event that a club does not fulfill its fixtures any points gained by Bristol City against this club will be deducted and Aston Villa and Leeds Utd will be promoted automatically. Hardly seems fair but thems the rules . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: In the event that a club does not fulfill its fixtures any points gained by Bristol City against this club will be deducted and Aston Villa and Leeds Utd will be promoted automatically. Hardly seems fair but thems the rules . With Diedhou and Wright to be banned until 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, cidercity1987 said: With games against Forest and Brentford it really doesnt matter too much if both are awarded walkover 3-0 wins. If their results were cancelled it'd knock 6 off Boro, 4 off us and 3 off Derby so the latter would be laughing. Not after we beat them tomo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 55 minutes ago, Super said: Good on them. None of us would work if we weren't getting paid. True, but how would players feel if owners were allow to deduct part of their wages when they played shite or played like they couldn't be bothered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Too much of the season has past for the results to be expunged, as the games nether effect promotion or relegation then forest and Brentford will be awarded 3-0 wins, further ramifications would happen next season and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the efl withholding Bolton’s golden share unless they can prove they can fulfil the fixture list next season meaning them not taking their place in league 1, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Doesn’t league position determine how much prize money you get end of season. Some clubs may not be happy losing out on money due to walkovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Doesn’t league position determine how much prize money you get end of season. Some clubs may not be happy losing out on money due to walkovers. Yes, I’ve been wondering that too. I read the EFL regulations recently, and I couldn’t find anything about expunging results, nor awarding games to opponents. All it talked about was fines, and that game should be re-arranged as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Struggle to see Bolton continuing to exist as a football club, shocking to think how poorly they must've been managed since their PL days. Sad times for the Bolton fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted April 26, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yes, I’ve been wondering that too. I read the EFL regulations recently, and I couldn’t find anything about expunging results, nor awarding games to opponents. All it talked about was fines, and that game should be re-arranged as soon as possible. Section 91 of the EFL rules would be the one that covers it I assume, but there is no definitive penalty set out, it would depend on the outcome of a disciplinary panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 21 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Doesn’t league position determine how much prize money you get end of season. Some clubs may not be happy losing out on money due to walkovers. Playing Bolton is a walkover these days anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Super said: Good on them. None of us would work if we weren't getting paid. A normal person in this position would have to carry on working or be in breach of contract, they would be considered as quit. At least that's how I understand it, you have to be available to work even if you're not getting paid. Footballers just look on it as a free transfer, they would probably be able to claim lost earnings back too. 15 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Doesn’t league position determine how much prize money you get end of season. Some clubs may not be happy losing out on money due to walkovers. I'm pretty sure teams undertake a contract to guarantee they can afford to make it to the end of the season , they would be in breach. I would expect administration . Then I would think the EFL would pay the wages, this would allow the season to finish naturally , and being 'football debt' it was usually first to be paid. This may have changed now, as I know there were murmurings that it wasn't fair . M'boro were docked 3 points and fined £50,000 for the game they didn't fulfil , that was 1997. The points are meaningless to Bolton, that said so is the money as they don't have any. The take over has been imminent for weeks, the whole thing is a mess and I would expect severe sanctions against them if they do manage to stay alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: A normal person in this position would have to carry on working or be in breach of contract, they would be considered as quit. At least that's how I understand it, you have to be available to work even if you're not getting paid. Footballers just look on it as a free transfer, they would probably be able to claim lost earnings back too. I'm pretty sure teams undertake a contract to guarantee they can afford to make it to the end of the season , they would be in breach. I would expect administration . Then I would think the EFL would pay the wages, this would allow the season to finish naturally , and being 'football debt' it was usually first to be paid. This may have changed now, as I know there were murmurings that it wasn't fair . M'boro were docked 3 points and fined £50,000 for the game they didn't fulfil , that was 1997. The points are meaningless to Bolton, that said so is the money as they don't have any. The take over has been imminent for weeks, the whole thing is a mess and I would expect severe sanctions against them if they do manage to stay alive. I expect them to be liquidated and starting again at the bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: A normal person in this position would have to carry on working or be in breach of contract, they would be considered as quit. At least that's how I understand it, you have to be available to work even if you're not getting paid. Footballers just look on it as a free transfer, they would probably be able to claim lost earnings back too. I'm pretty sure teams undertake a contract to guarantee they can afford to make it to the end of the season , they would be in breach. I would expect administration . Then I would think the EFL would pay the wages, this would allow the season to finish naturally , and being 'football debt' it was usually first to be paid. This may have changed now, as I know there were murmurings that it wasn't fair . M'boro were docked 3 points and fined £50,000 for the game they didn't fulfil , that was 1997. The points are meaningless to Bolton, that said so is the money as they don't have any. The take over has been imminent for weeks, the whole thing is a mess and I would expect severe sanctions against them if they do manage to stay alive. Not exactly sure where the law sits currently but the difference, that is crucial, is that all players are on fixed term employment contracts where as most people that are employed have an employment contract that does not have a fixed term. The rules around where you stand if not being paid are different - at least, they used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Monkeh said: I expect them to be liquidated and starting again at the bottom That would be massive, usually you would have expected someone to have stepped up by now, not looking good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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