Redandwhitescarf Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: A normal person in this position would have to carry on working or be in breach of contract, they would be considered as quit. At least that's how I understand it, you have to be available to work even if you're not getting paid. Footballers just look on it as a free transfer, they would probably be able to claim lost earnings back too. I'm pretty sure teams undertake a contract to guarantee they can afford to make it to the end of the season , they would be in breach. I would expect administration . Then I would think the EFL would pay the wages, this would allow the season to finish naturally , and being 'football debt' it was usually first to be paid. This may have changed now, as I know there were murmurings that it wasn't fair . M'boro were docked 3 points and fined £50,000 for the game they didn't fulfil , that was 1997. The points are meaningless to Bolton, that said so is the money as they don't have any. The take over has been imminent for weeks, the whole thing is a mess and I would expect severe sanctions against them if they do manage to stay alive. Many of the players contracts (Including Mark Little) expire in June. I think the EFL will pick up the wages for the rest of the season (they've probably got insurance to cover this) so games will be played. Neither Forest or Brentford can be promoted/relegated so actual timing of games other than before end of season isnt significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Not exactly sure where the law sits currently but the difference, that is crucial, is that all players are on fixed term employment contracts where as most people that are employed have an employment contract that does not have a fixed term. The rules around where you stand if not being paid are different - at least, they used to be. Not 100% sure, but I think if a player doesn't get paid for a month they are allowed to look for another team, not sure how they stand with unpaid wages though. In the normal walk of life I've known a few people who have had to work when not being paid, it's a horrible situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, 1960maaan said: Not 100% sure, but I think if a player doesn't get paid for a month they are allowed to look for another team, not sure how they stand with unpaid wages though. In the normal walk of life I've known a few people who have had to work when not being paid, it's a horrible situation. I think you are right regarding the 1 month thing. Re ‘normal’ jobs I dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Redandwhitescarf said: Many of the players contracts (Including Mark Little) expire in June. I think the EFL will pick up the wages for the rest of the season (they've probably got insurance to cover this) so games will be played. Neither Forest or Brentford can be promoted/relegated so actual timing of games other than before end of season isnt significant. The EFL must be glad the fixture fell like that, bad as the situation is , it would have been a nightmare if they played teams involved at the top or bottom of the League. Though I expect they would want them played as scheduled . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 it has happened in the non league world. Weymouth were not paying the players wages, the players went on strike , and the club put out the youth team to fulfill the fixture, which they duely lost 9-0 (i think). A number of their fans who knew this was going to happen did quite well at the bookies, apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Meanwhile, in North Bristol, Wael will be eyeing a potentially vacant football stadium and wondering how Bolton Rovers will be received by the blue few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med/MadHatter Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 52 minutes ago, Grey Fox said: it has happened in the non league world. Weymouth were not paying the players wages, the players went on strike , and the club put out the youth team to fulfill the fixture, which they duely lost 9-0 (i think). A number of their fans who knew this was going to happen did quite well at the bookies, apparently Yep i remember this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 hours ago, reddogkev said: Struggle to see Bolton continuing to exist as a football club, shocking to think how poorly they must've been managed since their PL days. Sad times for the Bolton fans. SINCE their PL days? I've read that in only 1 of their 11 years in the premier league did they make a profit. 43 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said: Meanwhile, in North Bristol, Wael will be eyeing a potentially vacant football stadium and wondering how Bolton North Bristol Rovers will be received by the blue few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Were they not just bought out though, is it the outgoing owners who have not paid them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, cidercity1987 said: Playing Bolton is a walkover these days anyway Unless they are playing us at Ashton Gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Bazooka Joe said: True, but how would players feel if owners were allow to deduct part of their wages when they played shite or played like they couldn't be bothered? They do, it’s called not getting their win bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Super said: Good on them. None of us would work if we weren't getting paid. I do two unpaid voluntary jobs ..... (totally get what you mean though - thought I’d add that before those who think it’s soooo important to point out pendantry jump all over this....again!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Park Reds Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 I feel sorry for the Bolton fans big time.No fault of theirs I can remember the dark days of 1980-82 and the relief of the Fulham game that I (we)had a club to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 3 hours ago, 1960maaan said: A normal person in this position would have to carry on working or be in breach of contract, they would be considered as quit. At least that's how I understand it, you have to be available to work even if you're not getting paid. Footballers just look on it as a free transfer, they would probably be able to claim lost earnings back too. I'm pretty sure teams undertake a contract to guarantee they can afford to make it to the end of the season , they would be in breach. I would expect administration . Then I would think the EFL would pay the wages, this would allow the season to finish naturally , and being 'football debt' it was usually first to be paid. This may have changed now, as I know there were murmurings that it wasn't fair . M'boro were docked 3 points and fined £50,000 for the game they didn't fulfil , that was 1997. The points are meaningless to Bolton, that said so is the money as they don't have any. The take over has been imminent for weeks, the whole thing is a mess and I would expect severe sanctions against them if they do manage to stay alive. There’s a very strong argument for constructive dismissal when you’ve not been paid. The players and their agents will undoubtedly have been well advised already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Game off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstoke Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Confirmed. Game cancelled tomorrow!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Game off. What now ? They could get kicked out of the EFL for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted April 26, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 https://www.efl.com/news/2019/april/efl-statement-bolton-wanderers-v-brentford/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: https://www.efl.com/news/2019/april/efl-statement-bolton-wanderers-v-brentford/ Serious stuff. Feel for their supporters tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 In all my years following football as an old git never seen this before ! Got to be the end of Bolton, and one of the famous names in the game in days gone bye. Wonder if they would have done this if a 'meaningful fixture' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 I would think the "takeover" is far from being completed, and wouldn't be surprised if the next announcement was that they've gone completely to the wall. The possibility of Bolton Wanderers ceasing to exist, could well become a possibility in the coming days/weeks. I presume the "players" include all - u18s included, hence the forfeiture. Bristol Rovers could well be safe before a ball is even kicked tomorrow, if the EFL/FA decide to relegate Bolton even farther down the leagues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl Visiting Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Could there be a scramble over the weekend to get it rearranged for Tuesday? The problem with any punishment that comes their way, is that it will likely come into force next season when their current owner is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Taz said: I would think the "takeover" is far from being completed, and wouldn't be surprised if the next announcement was that they've gone completely to the wall. The possibility of Bolton Wanderers ceasing to exist, could well become a possibility in the coming days/weeks. I presume the "players" include all - u18s included, hence the forfeiture. Bristol Rovers could well be safe before a ball is even kicked tomorrow, if the EFL/FA decide to relegate Bolton even farther down the leagues... Just highlights there are so many competing interests. I expect tomorrow someone is paying the players to get the game on midweek and to complete the fixtures. There will be winners and losers in all scenarios and the litigation won’t be done before August. Given damages could be the amount of parachute payments - the lost chance of playing in the premier league - or lost income from championship to League One.. I think it unthinkable at this stage Bolton will be allowed to not fulfill their fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, 29AR said: Just highlights there are so many competing interests. I expect tomorrow someone is paying the players to get the game on midweek and to complete the fixtures. There will be winners and losers in all scenarios and the litigation won’t be done before August. Given damages could be the amount of parachute payments - the lost chance of playing in the premier league - or lost income from championship to League One.. I think it unthinkable at this stage Bolton will be allowed to not fulfill their fixtures. Two games to go 3-0’s awarded to the opposing teams which won’t effect either end of the table is the only way out as far as I can see it. Then start them again as a Phoenix club, as long as they find an owner the fans will stick behind on the way back up they’ll be able to ‘buy’ the lower league titles. What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 5 hours ago, 1960maaan said: That would be massive, usually you would have expected someone to have stepped up by now, not looking good though. Amir Khan would be my bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Tragic for the Bolton fans - I feel for them. I genuinely do, but my immediate concern is - Will we get points deducted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Victory Park Reds said: I feel sorry for the Bolton fans big time.No fault of theirs I can remember the dark days of 1980-82 and the relief of the Fulham game that I (we)had a club to support. I attended what was supposed to be our last game it was at Newport county. the date was 30th January 1982, less than a week later the Ashton Gate eight tore up their contracts to save the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 7 hours ago, JamesBCFC said: You could put Mr. Bean in charge and get more rational decisions than the FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Do Brentford get there expenses refunded for Saturday as well as there fans. if Bolton don’t play next week do Nottm Forest get compensation lost gate receipts, hospitality, season ticket refunds. This could be very messy for the EFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 4 hours ago, downendcity said: Unless they are playing us at Ashton Gate. We’ve beaten them in our last 4 games at Ashton Gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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