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NOTBLUE

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4 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Don't forget the odd 'double fixture' on an evening after work 2 games of 60 minutes.

Yeah! You’d win one 3 or 4 nil, then lose the next by the same score line?.

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25 minutes ago, glen humphries said:

Genuinely fear the worst for Bolton, they could be the first big club to go bankrupt 

Thats the thing though; they are not a big club and come from a small town in Greater Manchester. Its a crowded market and they would not be the first to exit the league following a collapse from that part of the country.

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1 minute ago, havanatopia said:

Thats the thing though; they are not a big club and come from a small town in Greater Manchester. Its a crowded market and they would not be the first to exit the league following a collapse from that part of the country.

Bolton not a big club, there a proper club with fantastic history they would be the biggest club to go under by a mile.

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On 28/04/2019 at 08:41, 22A said:

OK, so the League has declared Bolton MUST fulfil their fixtures, but as a TV commentator asked "How can they with unpaid players and no one available to pay the players"?

A few years ago Blackpool's final game of the season against Huddersfield was abandoned at Half time 0-0. The League decided that the game could not be replayed, so that half time score was allowed to stand. An unsatisfactory way, but practical way to solve the current mess would be to have the League either award 3-0 walk overs to the Bolton's final two opponents or to declare them 0-0 draws.

Going forward, will the EFL may tighten up on account auditing and procedures etc?

To be honest, I think the situation is utterly ridiculous. I thought there were clear rules that, if a team forfeit a fixture, it gets awarded as a 3-0 win to the opposition. It's not ideal but it's surely more ideal than messing everyone around with a rescheduling at this stage, especially as it is a very clear cut case that Bolton have been unable to fulfil the fixture.

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1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

To be honest, I think the situation is utterly ridiculous. I thought there were clear rules that, if a team forfeit a fixture, it gets awarded as a 3-0 win to the opposition. It's not ideal but it's surely more ideal than messing everyone around with a rescheduling at this stage, especially as it is a very clear cut case that Bolton have been unable to fulfil the fixture.

Those aren’t the rules though in the EFL.  It is crazy.  Anderson is the priority creditor, he doesn’t give a flying ****.  If he did, he wouldn’t pay him and his son £625k consultant fees, nor would he sell a club to this new guy who surely can’t be “fit and proper”.

Shame for the true fans....but as a club, the only sympathy I have, is that we almost went the same way, so don’t want to be too hypocritical.  But that was a different era.

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1 hour ago, glen humphries said:

Bolton not a big club, there a proper club with fantastic history they would be the biggest club to go under by a mile.

Are they much bigger than us..? Didn’t we go bust and out of business in 1982..? 

What’s that...? We didn’t..?! 

Someone might like to inform Rovers’ fans then..!

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2 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

To be honest, I think the situation is utterly ridiculous. I thought there were clear rules that, if a team forfeit a fixture, it gets awarded as a 3-0 win to the opposition. It's not ideal but it's surely more ideal than messing everyone around with a rescheduling at this stage, especially as it is a very clear cut case that Bolton have been unable to fulfil the fixture.

It does need a hard and fast rule. All this ad-hoc stuff leaves the EFL open to huge challenges from all sorts of angles. Suppose for instance you had a huge bet on a particular club finishing in the top half of the table and they didn`t because Brentford pipped them to 12th place on GD as a result of the 3-0 awarded scoreline?

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the thing I don't get is why they are allowed to be in the doodoo for so long. its not like boltons problems have just arisen.

after all this hassle over a long period of time,they ought to have their league status replaced by a non league side that can pay its way

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5 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Yes , how is dear Mr Nevis these days ? 

 

Here's your answer Major, in the words of "Show Me The Money", 

Ahhhhhhh, them were the days. Don't forget the early summer baked hard pitches then too.

Lots of vaseline!

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Port Said Red

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1 hour ago, hodge said:

Brentford game won't be played this week, potentially May 9th.

 

3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

What's the bleeding point of that. Give Brentford the points. They'll win anyway 

Agreed, what happens if they are a no show for the Forest game as well?  

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16 hours ago, Red Right Hand said:

It does need a hard and fast rule. All this ad-hoc stuff leaves the EFL open to huge challenges from all sorts of angles. Suppose for instance you had a huge bet on a particular club finishing in the top half of the table and they didn`t because Brentford pipped them to 12th place on GD as a result of the 3-0 awarded scoreline?

I would be even more concerned if the EFL gauged what outcome they would provide for this based on what potential betting patterns have been followed...

Betting should have no input in the slightest as to the outcome.

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3 minutes ago, grifty said:

I would be even more concerned if the EFL gauged what outcome they would provide for this based on what potential betting patterns have been followed...

Betting should have no input in the slightest as to the outcome.

They should have seen it as a potential pitfall and made a clear and permanent decision before the postponed game.

Either they defaulted the two games or they were thrown out of the league and their records were expunged.

This pathetic "try and play it" stance now means that if they can't play them then the EFL will make a decision that will retrospectively affect the league table.

Taking my earlier post this was the position around 6th / 7th / 8th before Saturday's games:

Not expunged

  • Derby on 67, 3 to play
  • Boro on 67, 2 to play
  • City on 66, 3 to play

Expunged:

  • Derby on 64, 3 to play
  • City on 62, 3 to play
  • Boro on 61, 2 to play

That is now:

Not expunged:

  • Derby 70, 2 to play
  • Boro 66, 1 to play
  • City 66, 2 to play

Expunged:

  • Derby 67, 2 to play
  • City 62, 2 to play
  • Boro 60, 1 to play

 

Not expunged Derby with their eight better goal difference need at least two points from two games, expunged they need just one.

As it stands if they lose their game in hand and we win at Millwall then it's Derby 70, City 69 and they know they need to win their last game to guarantee 6th..

If the same and the records are expunged then it's Derby 67, City 65 and a draw would be enough to guarantee 6th.

In that scenario whether or not the Bolton record has been expunged would affect how Derby play their last game: City winning so going to finish on 72 points non-expunged and Derby need to go all out for a win, City winning in the expunged scenario so finishing on 68 points means that a draw will be enough so they just defend.

The EFL should not be allowing even the possibility of that scenario to exist: if City win both and Derby lose one and draw one then with Bolton's record standing City are 6th and with Bolton's record expunged Derby are 6th.  The EFL would then be deciding who gets the last play-off place after the last ball has been kicked.  That is not how you run a professional league.

 

 

 

 

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I can't see how they can scrub all the Bolton results for the season as this late a stage. As well as the playoff issue, it could affect which team becomes champions, order of playoff games etc, plus all teams get amounts from the league based on their end of season position. It would also change overall positions a bit and you can see other clubs being upset at getting less money than they might have done, especially when the midtable is so tight. Hence the EFL want Bolton to complete their fixtures one way or another.

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5 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

They should have seen it as a potential pitfall and made a clear and permanent decision before the postponed game.

Either they defaulted the two games or they were thrown out of the league and their records were expunged.

This pathetic "try and play it" stance now means that if they can't play them then the EFL will make a decision that will retrospectively affect the league table.

Taking my earlier post this was the position around 6th / 7th / 8th before Saturday's games:

Not expunged

  • Derby on 67, 3 to play
  • Boro on 67, 2 to play
  • City on 66, 3 to play

Expunged:

  • Derby on 64, 3 to play
  • City on 62, 3 to play
  • Boro on 61, 2 to play

That is now:

Not expunged:

  • Derby 70, 2 to play
  • Boro 66, 1 to play
  • City 66, 2 to play

Expunged:

  • Derby 67, 2 to play
  • City 62, 2 to play
  • Boro 60, 1 to play

 

Not expunged Derby with their eight better goal difference need at least two points from two games, expunged they need just one.

As it stands if they lose their game in hand and we win at Millwall then it's Derby 70, City 69 and they know they need to win their last game to guarantee 6th..

If the same and the records are expunged then it's Derby 67, City 65 and a draw would be enough to guarantee 6th.

In that scenario whether or not the Bolton record has been expunged would affect how Derby play their last game: City winning so going to finish on 72 points non-expunged and Derby need to go all out for a win, City winning in the expunged scenario so finishing on 68 points means that a draw will be enough so they just defend.

The EFL should not be allowing even the possibility of that scenario to exist: if City win both and Derby lose one and draw one then with Bolton's record standing City are 6th and with Bolton's record expunged Derby are 6th.  The EFL would then be deciding who gets the last play-off place after the last ball has been kicked.  That is not how you run a professional league.

 

 

 

 

And with how our luck has been this season, this now seems the most likely! With the games getting expunged and missing out that way.

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16 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

I can't see how they can scrub all the Bolton results for the season as this late a stage. As well as the playoff issue, it could affect which team becomes champions, order of playoff games etc, plus all teams get amounts from the league based on their end of season position. It would also change overall positions a bit and you can see other clubs being upset at getting less money than they might have done, especially when the midtable is so tight. Hence the EFL want Bolton to complete their fixtures one way or another.

It wont happen already been stated the youth side will fulfill the two remaining fixtures if the first team squad are still on strike

As we know they would have played Saturday if they hadn't played on the Thursday evening before

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5 minutes ago, phantom said:

It wont happen already been stated the youth side will fulfill the two remaining fixtures if the first team squad are still on strike

As we know they would have played Saturday if they hadn't played on the Thursday evening before

 

The Forest game is away but the Brentford to be replayed is at home.  This needs to be staffed, the police need to be paid, suppliers for food and drink.  Even the Forest game requires staff to go and coaches to be hired.

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In addition to outstanding wage payments to players and coaching staff, BBC Radio Manchester has also learned matchday and club staff have yet to be paid their April wages, which were due on Tuesday.

 

The takeover looks to be seriously in doubt and the hypothetical rearranged Brentford match has now gone past the end of the league season proper with no date set.

 

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Bolton have said Laurence Bassini's takeover will be off if the English Football League is not satisfied with his funding proposal on Tuesday [today].

Bassini is set to meet EFL chief executive Shaun Harvey as he waits for them to approve his deal for Wanderers.

A club statement said "negotiations will cease" if the EFL is "not satisfied with the proposed funding structure presented by Bassini".

The EFL confirmed Bolton's game with Brentford will not go ahead this week.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48103967

 

The EFL can wish what they want but if the takeover fails and Bolton has no money to pay players, staff or external suppliers then the games aren't going to happen.  Then it's a case of awaking the disciplinary panle from their snoozing to prevaricate for another few weeks.

The first game of the play-offs starts May 11th.  Bolton are "due" to play Forest on the 5th.

I would suggest that this means that Laurence Bassini, however unsuitable he may be and however absent is his proof of funds, will against all odds be approved for the takeover purely because it solves a headache for the EFL.

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19 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

The Forest game is away but the Brentford to be replayed is at home.  This needs to be staffed, the police need to be paid, suppliers for food and drink.  Even the Forest game requires staff to go and coaches to be hired.

It will be behind closed doors

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