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Corshamred

It was even more unlikely in 1988

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Despite what happened yesterday we are still in with a chance. It is not unprecedented in our history either. Some people on here will no doubt remember the 1988 season when a play off place looked impossible with 4 games to go.

I can remember going to Port vale away as I was staying near Birmingham and watching us draw. I counted the number of our fans in the away end. This didn’t take long as we numbered 49. This was the 18th of April 1988.

The table then looked like this

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Sunderland 41 23 12 6 80 45 35 81
2 Walsall 43 22 12 9 66 46 20 78
3 Notts County 42 21 12 9 74 44 30 75
4 Brighton and Hove Albion 42 20 14 8 60 43 17 74
5 Wigan Athletic 42 20 12 10 67 52 15 72
6 Northampton Town 43 18 17 8 64 43 21 71
7 Fulham 42 18 9 15 65 55 10 63
8 Bristol City 42 17 12 13 70 61 9 63
9 Brentford 41 16 12 13 48 51 -3 60
10 Blackpool 41 15 13 13 64 53 11 58
11 Port Vale 41 16 10 15 53 51 2 58
12 Bristol Rovers 41 15 11 15 61 54 7 56

 

What happened next was an amazing collapse of the teams ahead of us whilst we won all our remaining games , including a one nil victory away at top of the table Sunderland and if my memory serves me correctly a last minute screamer from Ralph Milne away at York.

I think the last one as at home to Doncaster with around 18000 at the Gate on a rather sunny day.

The table ended up looking like this and we took the last play off spot.

1 Sunderland 46 27 12 7 92 48 44 93
2 Brighton and Hove Albion 46 23 15 8 69 47 22 84
3 Walsall 46 23 13 10 68 50 18 82
4 Notts County 46 23 12 11 82 49 33 81
5 Bristol City 46 21 12 13 77 62 15 75
6 Northampton Town 46 18 19 9 70 51 19 73
7 Wigan Athletic 46 20 12 14 70 61 9 72
8 Bristol Rovers 46 18 12 16 68 56 12 66
9 Fulham 46 19 9 18 69 60 9 66
10 Blackpool 46 17 14 15 71 62 9 65
11 Port Vale 46 18 11 17 58 56 2

65

There were only 3 in the those days with the other one coming from division 2.

So until all hope is gone I will carry on believing.

Sorry if this has already been posted before.

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I guess stranger things have happened.

If the end result is going to a be a 4-0 thumping in the final though, we may be best off staying as we are! David Kelly isn't still around is he?

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10 minutes ago, Corshamred said:

I think the last one as at home to Doncaster with around 18000 at the Gate on a rather sunny day.

 

Colin Gordon leaving it late to get the vital winner in about the 82nd minute iirc., to great celebrations.

Don't remember there being anything like 18k there though!

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Doncaster home was the only home gameI'd missed for about 10 years, Cousin got married and I had to drive my Parents so no out. Spent a lot of time nipping out with the radio.
I was at York, turned away at the turnstiles at Sheffield and at the Walsall games. I hate the playoffs, a necessary evil maybe and good for the TV, but God they're torture for fans.

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3 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Colin Gordon leaving it late to get the vital winner in about the 82nd minute iirc., to great celebrations.

Don't remember there being anything like 18k there though!

I remember that crowd. The biggest of the season by some distance.

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I went to Sunderland (Easter Monday maybe).  Couldn't have been any more than 75 City fans there.  We were absolutely battered and still won 1-0.  Remember that 4 of us were threatened with arrest in turn ("you make that manual manipulator sign again son, you're nicked" to all of us - none of us did).  Went up on CATS.  Took forever but was well worth it.

Edit - "manual manipulator"?  I don't remember typing that....

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19 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said:

I remember that crowd. The biggest if the season by some distance.

You reckon it was18k too?

I was in the enclosure that day and remember there being plenty of open terrace to leap about on when the goal went in.

I would have said nearer to 12-13k, but obviously could be wrong.

Our home average was 9,801 that season btw.

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8 minutes ago, Vespa Red said:

I went to Sunderland (Easter Monday maybe).  Couldn't have been any more than 75 City fans there.  We were absolutely battered and still won 1-0.  Remember that 4 of us were threatened with arrest in turn ("you make that manual manipulator sign again son, you're nicked" to all of us - none of us did).  Went up on CATS.  Took forever but was well worth it.

Edit - "manual manipulator"?  I don't remember typing that....

Pretty sure it was Colin Gordon (again) with that goal.

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For those old stagers who have a longer memory, it’s 19 April 1965 when City pulled off the impossible. This was an Easter weekend and after the Good Friday away match at Carlisle the promotion hopes we’re doomed as City could only manage a draw. But, amazingly on the Saturday and Monday, all the results went City’s way. (This was when teams played 3 matches over the Easter period). It was an evening kick off for City,  on the Monday, away to Shrewsbury and who should come to the rescue - John Atyeo. Four goals in the second half to give City’s a 5-1 win and set up promotion. I was there and, as an impressionable youngster, I thought that this sort of excitement and success was a sign of what was to come. Unfortunately, instead of upwards and onwards, it’s often been one step forward two steps back 

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This has made me feel a tad better after yesterday’s disappointment 👍

On to Millwall with the other 1400 Reds on Tuesday night - let’s get the three points and put the pressure back on Derby cos I know who I would rather play on the last day and it’s not WBA

Can we do it??

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29 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

Colin Gordon missed a penalty just before the winner iirc? 

Forgotten that, but it was certainly getting tense with the ball just refusing to go in the Doncaster net as I recall until Gordon popped up with the clincher late on.

 

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I remember that Doncaster game well. The crowd was much bigger than our average for that season and the official figure of 18,000 felt about right. There were even City fans allowed in the middle section of the open end as an overspill. There was still plenty of space in the ground, though, seeing as it has held crowds of over 30,000 before.

 It was one of those games where it felt like the ball wouldn’t go in, especially after the penalty miss.

There was more than a hint of handball when Colin Gordon slid in on the keeper to win the ball for our goal. There was a pitch invasion after the goal and at the end of the game and I recall Joe Kinnear, their manager at the time, moaning in a TV interview afterwards about the fans on the pitch. 

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6 hours ago, Corshamred said:

Despite what happened yesterday we are still in with a chance. It is not unprecedented in our history either. Some people on here will no doubt remember the 1988 season when a play off place looked impossible with 4 games to go.

I can remember going to Port vale away as I was staying near Birmingham and watching us draw. I counted the number of our fans in the away end. This didn’t take long as we numbered 49. This was the 18th of April 1988.

The table then looked like this

 

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Sunderland 41 23 12 6 80 45 35 81
2 Walsall 43 22 12 9 66 46 20 78
3 Notts County 42 21 12 9 74 44 30 75
4 Brighton and Hove Albion 42 20 14 8 60 43 17 74
5 Wigan Athletic 42 20 12 10 67 52 15 72
6 Northampton Town 43 18 17 8 64 43 21 71
7 Fulham 42 18 9 15 65 55 10 63
8 Bristol City 42 17 12 13 70 61 9 63
9 Brentford 41 16 12 13 48 51 -3 60
10 Blackpool 41 15 13 13 64 53 11 58
11 Port Vale 41 16 10 15 53 51 2 58
12 Bristol Rovers 41 15 11 15 61 54 7 56

 

What happened next was an amazing collapse of the teams ahead of us whilst we won all our remaining games , including a one nil victory away at top of the table Sunderland and if my memory serves me correctly a last minute screamer from Ralph Milne away at York.

I think the last one as at home to Doncaster with around 18000 at the Gate on a rather sunny day.

The table ended up looking like this and we took the last play off spot.

1 Sunderland 46 27 12 7 92 48 44 93
2 Brighton and Hove Albion 46 23 15 8 69 47 22 84
3 Walsall 46 23 13 10 68 50 18 82
4 Notts County 46 23 12 11 82 49 33 81
5 Bristol City 46 21 12 13 77 62 15 75
6 Northampton Town 46 18 19 9 70 51 19 73
7 Wigan Athletic 46 20 12 14 70 61 9 72
8 Bristol Rovers 46 18 12 16 68 56 12 66
9 Fulham 46 19 9 18 69 60 9 66
10 Blackpool 46 17 14 15 71 62 9 65
11 Port Vale 46 18 11 17 58 56 2

65

There were only 3 in the those days with the other one coming from division 2.

So until all hope is gone I will carry on believing.

Sorry if this has already been posted before.

The major factor in that end of season was our new manager, Joe Jordan came in with a few games to go and transformed us into a team that suddenly had total belief in what they were doing. New ideas, total passion and belief, he raised the fans to a new high and we looked unbeatable. 

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6 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Colin Gordon leaving it late to get the vital winner in about the 82nd minute iirc., to great celebrations.

Don't remember there being anything like 18k there though!

oh yes there was NTB we were awful that day until Gordon fluked it in somehow plus it was a humid rainy day iirc......

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I was telling my daughter about that season after yesterday’s defeat. Didn’t we lose 1-0 at Twerton shortly before that late run? Seem to Recall  their fans singing ‘You’re not going up’ at us after that result if it’s the same season

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3 minutes ago, MrBibs said:

I was telling my daughter about that season after yesterday’s defeat. Didn’t we lose 1-0 at Twerton shortly before that late run? Seem to Recall  their fans singing ‘You’re not going up’ at us after that result if it’s the same season

Unfortunately they were right!

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strange how teams finished their season at different days back then not like now with final day etc.....we went into the Doncaster game 5 days after Northampton played their final game losing at home to sunderland therefore knowing what we had to do to finish 5th

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1 minute ago, Elruliri said:

I can remember a young Brian Deane hitting the crossbar for Donnie. He later moved to Sheffield United who of course we beat for the huge some of £35k. Bargain.

deane and agana for sheff utd were an awesome strike pairing 88/89......

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I gave up smoking two days before the first leg of the play-off final against Walsall (I’ve never had one since) and almost gave in after what that b*gger Kelly did to us.  Seated in the far block of the Williams, nearest the East End, where, curiously, a young lady used to frequently reveal her assets at half time.

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8 hours ago, Corshamred said:

Despite what happened yesterday we are still in with a chance. It is not unprecedented in our history either. Some people on here will no doubt remember the 1988 season when a play off place looked impossible with 4 games to go.

I can remember going to Port vale away as I was staying near Birmingham and watching us draw. I counted the number of our fans in the away end. This didn’t take long as we numbered 49. This was the 18th of April 1988.

The table then looked like this

 

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Sunderland 41 23 12 6 80 45 35 81
2 Walsall 43 22 12 9 66 46 20 78
3 Notts County 42 21 12 9 74 44 30 75
4 Brighton and Hove Albion 42 20 14 8 60 43 17 74
5 Wigan Athletic 42 20 12 10 67 52 15 72
6 Northampton Town 43 18 17 8 64 43 21 71
7 Fulham 42 18 9 15 65 55 10 63
8 Bristol City 42 17 12 13 70 61 9 63
9 Brentford 41 16 12 13 48 51 -3 60
10 Blackpool 41 15 13 13 64 53 11 58
11 Port Vale 41 16 10 15 53 51 2 58
12 Bristol Rovers 41 15 11 15 61 54 7 56

 

What happened next was an amazing collapse of the teams ahead of us whilst we won all our remaining games , including a one nil victory away at top of the table Sunderland and if my memory serves me correctly a last minute screamer from Ralph Milne away at York.

I think the last one as at home to Doncaster with around 18000 at the Gate on a rather sunny day.

The table ended up looking like this and we took the last play off spot.

1 Sunderland 46 27 12 7 92 48 44 93
2 Brighton and Hove Albion 46 23 15 8 69 47 22 84
3 Walsall 46 23 13 10 68 50 18 82
4 Notts County 46 23 12 11 82 49 33 81
5 Bristol City 46 21 12 13 77 62 15 75
6 Northampton Town 46 18 19 9 70 51 19 73
7 Wigan Athletic 46 20 12 14 70 61 9 72
8 Bristol Rovers 46 18 12 16 68 56 12 66
9 Fulham 46 19 9 18 69 60 9 66
10 Blackpool 46 17 14 15 71 62 9 65
11 Port Vale 46 18 11 17 58 56 2

65

There were only 3 in the those days with the other one coming from division 2.

So until all hope is gone I will carry on believing.

Sorry if this has already been posted before.

Here's what I wrote at the time; 

Walsall had finished third and played fourth placed Notts. County. City finished fifth and had to play the twentieth club in division two, Sheffield United. City drew 1-1 at Bramall Lane after winning 1-0 at Ashton Gate thus relegating The Blades. May 25th. 1988, a packed Ashton Gate saw Walsall win 3-1, but three days later, City won the return two nil! In the dying moments a shot for a winning third goal passed inches wide of the Walsall post. A penalty shoot out was now held to determine the venue for a third deciding game. Once again City proved inept with spot kicks and had to return to Walsall on May 30th. In a one sided encounter, Walsall, in their centenary season won 4-0 and with it promotion to division two.

However we had the last laugh. Walsall stayed up just the one season incurring defeats such as 7-0 home to Chelsea. We met then again in 89-90 on our way to automatic promotion and they were relegated for the second consecutive season picking up 41 points from their 46 games.

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Cracking but nerve racking day against donny and the crowd was right up for it.

block b of the dolman was mint as usual at the time and u can’t beat a good pitch invasion.

Im sure there’s a picture of David Moyes celebrating somewhere with the ball boy or was that against the funny people from Azteca Trumpton at the time.

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2 hours ago, Offside said:

I remember that Doncaster game well. The crowd was much bigger than our average for that season and the official figure of 18,000 felt about right. There were even City fans allowed in the middle section of the open end as an overspill. There was still plenty of space in the ground, though, seeing as it has held crowds of over 30,000 before.

 It was one of those games where it felt like the ball wouldn’t go in, especially after the penalty miss.

There was more than a hint of handball when Colin Gordon slid in on the keeper to win the ball for our goal. There was a pitch invasion after the goal and at the end of the game and I recall Joe Kinnear, their manager at the time, moaning in a TV interview afterwards about the fans on the pitch. 

I was on the pitch. Back in the days when you didn't face the equivalent of transportation to Van Diemen's Land, for pitch encroachment.

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3 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said:

I was on the pitch. Back in the days when you didn't face the equivalent of transportation to Van Diemen's Land, for pitch encroachment.

Nothing wrong with Van Dieman's Land.... reasonable climate compared to many parts of Australia and they make cider there👍😂

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2 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I gave up smoking two days before the first leg of the play-off final against Walsall (I’ve never had one since) and almost gave in after what that b*gger Kelly did to us.  Seated in the far block of the Williams, nearest the East End, where, curiously, a young lady used to frequently reveal her assets at half time.

IIRC she was Norwegian ?!

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Following on from squeaking into the P/Os in 88. 1989 Sheff U won promotion and the following season City did so too!

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9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Playoffs.

Have we actually ever won a playoff? I don't mean an individual game, obviously remember them but playoffs so far as promotion- or even in a past format, avoiding the drop?

nope..…….

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Yes, I remember 1988 very well!  A couple of points:

1)  I was at York that day, and the last minute Ralph Milne "screamer" was very definitely a miss-hit cross which he somehow shanked in.

2)  At the final whistle, me and the two friends I was with did some quick calculations and figured out that we could get to Roker Park for the 7.30 kick-off between Sunderland and Northampton.  As has been said, we needed Northampton to lose pretty much every game and, as it happened, Sunderland were on to secure the Third Division title that night..  We got to Roker to find it packed with 31,000 fans, and were lucky to get in by going through the nearest turnstile and ended up in a home section in the open end behind the goal.  It was a stupid thing to do, but I know for a fact that we were not the only Bristol City fans to do it.  We had only been there a minute or two when a bloke passing in front of us turned to his mate saying "...'ere, it's a bit crowded in 'ere!" in an accent that clearly owed more to Hartcliffe than Hetton-le-Hole.  It was a mercilessly nerve-free evening with Sunderland running out comfortable winners by 3-0 or 3-1.  We shrunk away while the happy Mackems saluted their team's lap of honour with the trophy, and at 10.30 pm were heading south towards Darlington......and an eight-thirty start at British Aerospace the next morning!

Happy times!

 

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34 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Playoffs.

Have we actually ever won a playoff? I don't mean an individual game, obviously remember them but playoffs so far as promotion- or even in a past format, avoiding the drop?

No.

Three failures at semi final stage.

Three failures at the final.

We don’t have THE worst record, but we aren’t far off it.

(I think Pteston have more failures, but obviously they succeeded in 2015 v Swindle)

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15 hours ago, Isawjonshaw said:

David £u:kin& Kelly!!!  Do I not like that name!!!!

Still haunts me now that name, guess it’s like Windass.

Sheff Utd, wasn’t that the year they did the experiment where the bottom team played the runner up to stay up or something like that. I went to both games and it was a real big thing for us to beat Sheff Utd and relegate them. Look at what they have done since! 

Going back to the Walsall play off, the queues for the tickets, the agony over two games, then as it was tied we had to toss a coin to see who hosted the replay, of course we had to travel up there. The police dogs on the pitch snapping at our players ( Llewelyn ?) as he was trying to take a throw in. I climbed up onto some railings as so squashed in their end, don’t forget this was just a year before a Hillsborough, we were still caged then. The fights...and yes we were slaughtered by David Kelly.

A ew months ago I met the goalkeeping coach of Crewe. I didn’t catch his name but he looked familiar to me, I just couldn’t place him. He was a nice enough bloke, had a chat about football but all the time it was bugging me. Later after a quick google it turns out he was Fred Barber, only the flipping goalkeeper for Walsall *those* matches, no way would I have been quite so nice to him if I had known, but to be fair he didn’t mention the games either, perhaps he really was just being nice. 😀

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It's obviously unlikely but anything can happen in 2 games, if Derby lose at Swansea and we win at Millwall then it will be 'on' again. There are certainly some strange results at the end of a season, when the Gas went non-league the first time they'd been in the relegation position was after the final match! When we had our first season in Div 1 in the 70's we were rock bottom and looked down and out but a run of good results and we escaped on the last day of the season at Coventry, it can be done.

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If Derby lose both games and we win both, yippee, but if Middlesbrough win home to Rotherham on the final day it will be Boro in the play offs. I can see the former happening but not a chance for Rotherham if Boro still have something  on the game.

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1 hour ago, Whitchurch1966 said:

If Derby lose both games and we win both, yippee, but if Middlesbrough win home to Rotherham on the final day it will be Boro in the play offs. I can see the former happening but not a chance for Rotherham if Boro still have something  on the game.

Boro are away to Rotherham and should still win, but you never know. 

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40 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

Boro are away to Rotherham and should still win, but you never know. 

Sorry, missed that, still Rotherham already down and Boro needing to win for the prey off's? Just can't see it happening, but then I never thought the Gas would drop to the Conference so I suppose you are right, anything can happen.

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19 hours ago, archie andrews said:

oh yes there was NTB 

I stand corrected by you archie, and other posters!

A season's average of 9,801, but including 18k for Doncaster, then 25k+ for the home legs against both Sheff.Utd and Walsall.

The fans certainly came out in force in those days at the slightest hint of success. Fantastic crowds and atmospheres but all for nothing with that dreadful let down in the 3rd game at Fellows Park.

What an absolutely **** day that was after queuing up early the day before (with a hangover after celebrating the 2-0) to get tickets. :angry:

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Our race is run, most likely. However...

Assumed it was same night until someone pointed it out night before but our game at Millwall tomorrow of course but Derby play at Swansea Wednesday.

So if we can win- and it's an absolute must win- that will put a bit of pressure back on Derby.

Their trip to Swansea suddenly carries some added pressure, with not only Middlesbrough level on points but us within a point.

Pressure in football does funny things. I'm a realist for sure but we have to do our bit.

2 wins, then whatever happens, happens.

Or broke down further, win at Millwall. Don't care how, how lucky we are- win at Millwall just to add that element of doubt, of pressure...

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4 hours ago, RedM said:

Still haunts me now that name, guess it’s like Windass.

Sheff Utd, wasn’t that the year they did the experiment where the bottom team played the runner up to stay up or something like that. I went to both games and it was a real big thing for us to beat Sheff Utd and relegate them. Look at what they have done since! 

Going back to the Walsall play off, the queues for the tickets, the agony over two games, then as it was tied we had to toss a coin to see who hosted the replay, of course we had to travel up there. The police dogs on the pitch snapping at our players ( Llewelyn ?) as he was trying to take a throw in. I climbed up onto some railings as so squashed in their end, don’t forget this was just a year before a Hillsborough, we were still caged then. The fights...and yes we were slaughtered by David Kelly.

A ew months ago I met the goalkeeping coach of Crewe. I didn’t catch his name but he looked familiar to me, I just couldn’t place him. He was a nice enough bloke, had a chat about football but all the time it was bugging me. Later after a quick google it turns out he was Fred Barber, only the flipping goalkeeper for Walsall *those* matches, no way would I have been quite so nice to him if I had known, but to be fair he didn’t mention the games either, perhaps he really was just being nice. 😀

IIRC M, wasn’t a coin toss to decide the venue for the final game. It was yet another penalty shoot out, and surprise surprise, we lost it !

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10 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said:

IIRC M, wasn’t a coin toss to decide the venue for the final game. It was yet another penalty shoot out, and surprise surprise, we lost it !

Yup, you are right now I think about it. Down the other end away from us away fans, could hardly see a think. I think I must have blanked out bad memories 😫

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I wouldn't rule it out completely. Obviously we must win both of our remaining games, that's a given. But let's say hypothetically that we do....

Derby away at Swansea and home to West Brom is potentially 0 points, even if they draw one of those it won't be enough...

Middlesbrough away at Rotherham won't be as easy as people are thinking, yes they're down but i'm sure they'll want to put on a display for their fans in their last home game in the Championship. Don't forget also that they have recently been leading games against; West Brom, Birmingham, Swansea, Villa and Forest and came from 2 goals down to draw away at Stoke.

It's a long shot, but a long shot is better than no shot at all.

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