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Young guns waste of money?

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20 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The policy is fine.

What we must critique is the application of that policy in term’s of:

  1. how long they take to breakthrough (Assuming they do)
  2. how much did we pay

i said in another thread that Preston are getting their Browne’s, their Maguire’s, their Storey’s, their Stockley’s, their Davies’s cheaper than us, and also into their first team quicker than us.

It is any area we need to improve.

Someone I know said £1.5m is par for the course for a LG2 striker (Eisa).  I’m fine with that, if you get them into first team, or you really are buying potential.  Interestingly Eisa on the bench tonight.

LJ has said quite a bit about players needing 6 months to learn a system. Question- is the system too precise, too complicated?  Surely his Dad could’ve told him about Mo’s football intelligence, if that really is the reason.

Personally, would be great to see Mo come off the bench and net the winner tonight.  I know it was LG2, but he’s a placer, not a blaster, and is very composed in front of goal.  Goalscorers tend to traverse the divisions....Billy Sharp anyone?  Even Ricky Lambert (cough, spit).

Agreeing with the general point, but don't think Billy Sharp's the best name to give as an example.

A blistering season aside he has struggled to manage at this level until Sheffield United's return last season.

 

He's someone I would have been delighted for us to sign when we were League 1, and I'd have been happy for us to sign him when we were promoted to give him another shot in the Championship then. But even despite his record this season I wouldn't be excited by us signing him (if we did) ahead of next season. 

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20 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The policy is fine.

What we must critique is the application of that policy in term’s of:

  1. how long they take to breakthrough (Assuming they do)
  2. how much did we pay

i said in another thread that Preston are getting their Browne’s, their Maguire’s, their Storey’s, their Stockley’s, their Davies’s cheaper than us, and also into their first team quicker than us.

It is any area we need to improve.

Someone I know said £1.5m is par for the course for a LG2 striker (Eisa).  I’m fine with that, if you get them into first team, or you really are buying potential.  Interestingly Eisa on the bench tonight.

LJ has said quite a bit about players needing 6 months to learn a system. Question- is the system too precise, too complicated?  Surely his Dad could’ve told him about Mo’s football intelligence, if that really is the reason.

Personally, would be great to see Mo come off the bench and net the winner tonight.  I know it was LG2, but he’s a placer, not a blaster, and is very composed in front of goal.  Goalscorers tend to traverse the divisions....Billy Sharp anyone?  Even Ricky Lambert (cough, spit).

It must be difficult for players to adjust because, unlike Norwich and Sheffield United, we don't have a defined system. It changes on a game to game basis.

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23 hours ago, RedDave said:

Johnson needs to blood youngsters every year. Pisano should be released, Baker should be sold and Kalas will probably not return. Then Vyner and Moore should be in the squad for next season.

 

That'd severely weaken us I fear.

We need to be gradual about these things- okay fair enough Pisano is ageing, wrong side of 30 and had injury last season so fait enough, Baker being sold fine and losing Kalas is plausible.

Would be worried if we went as you proposed though- the combined dropoff in experience and quality- but especially Kalas not being adequately replaced assuming he doesn't stay on. Well it worries me.

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On 30/04/2019 at 15:11, phantom said:

Are they?

So far only Brum have been stung, yet many many others have found inventive ways to carry on

Genuinely still think it's up in the air, a rolling issue. Last article I saw on it by Kieran Maguire suggested that clubs are still pushing on it, compliant ones I mean against those who are not of who are near the limit!

Lack of transparency doesn't help though. Read a week or 2 back that Derby were under an embargo but that it was expected to be lifted by end of week. No news either way though!

Part of the issue is that IMO anyway EFL don't, can't or won't enforce their own rules in a timely and competent manner.

Eventually some clubs will take a bigger hit than Birmingham...talking in-season deductions.

My money is on us and Leeds. Or say Wigan if they're battling a bigger club at the wrong end. 😮

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35 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Excluding his goals and assists of course.

Yeah, he’s really contributed lots there hasn’t he

 

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1 minute ago, Wade Wilson said:

Yeah, he’s really contributed lots there hasn’t he

 

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His minutes to goals is among our best this season.

 

Regardless I'm not arguing that he's a key player, far from it. But when he's contributed a couple of goals- one of which I'm pretty sure was a deciding goal, saying "his only contribution is breaking Kalas' jaw" is 1. Incredibly unfair as it was an accident from a collision and 2. Patently false.

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37 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Agreeing with the general point, but don't think Billy Sharp's the best name to give as an example.

A blistering season aside he has struggled to manage at this level until Sheffield United's return last season.

 

He's someone I would have been delighted for us to sign when we were League 1, and I'd have been happy for us to sign him when we were promoted to give him another shot in the Championship then. But even despite his record this season I wouldn't be excited by us signing him (if we did) ahead of next season. 

Didn’t say he was the best name, just an example of someone who’s more renowned as a finisher. 

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Pretty decent Champ record when you consider that’s from 255 starts (65 subs). Before this season it’s 91 from 222 starts. Pretty respectable for a guy who’s not played for the better Champ sides all of that time. 

I wasn’t suggesting we sign him either, was talking about people with the knack of putting the ball in the net in comparison to Mo Eisa....and that Mo might possibly score at this level having come from lower down. 

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Didn’t say he was the best name, just an example of someone who’s more renowned as a finisher. 

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Pretty decent Champ record when you consider that’s from 255 starts (65 subs). Before this season it’s 91 from 222 starts. Pretty respectable for a guy who’s not played for the better Champ sides all of that time. 

I wasn’t suggesting we sign him either, was talking about people with the knack of putting the ball in the net in comparison to Mo Eisa....and that Mo might possibly score at this level having come from lower down. 

I realise you weren't suggesting we sign him, but he's a name that pops up often when people point at other strikers in the division.

Fingers crossed on Mo. Would like to have seen him and Adelakun used more, but think the knocks they picked up shortly after signing set them back in terms of where LJ sees them.

Hopefully we see more of them over preseason to be able to guage where they are at.

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12 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

His minutes to goals is among our best this season.

 

Regardless I'm not arguing that he's a key player, far from it. But when he's contributed a couple of goals- one of which I'm pretty sure was a deciding goal, saying "his only contribution is breaking Kalas' jaw" is 1. Incredibly unfair as it was an accident from a collision and 2. Patently false.

Guess we are referring to Watkins. My description is doesn’t look pretty but can be effective. 

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Just now, Davefevs said:

Guess we are referring to Watkins. My description is doesn’t look pretty but can be effective. 

Pretty much the same as mine.

Looks almost clumsy sometimes when on the ball, but is effective. Again, someone who perhaps could have been used more, but not as technically gifted as Eliasson

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How can some say Vyner is a viable option at RB when he has just played a full season there in the same league we are in? Play him

Play Semenyo, Adelakun, Walsh, Kelly and Vyner and I am sure we will be fine next season regardless of who we lose. 

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Yes.

We've done better spending decent dosh on an already quality player and then quickly churning (Cole, Akinbiyi, Kodjia et al.) The £1-2m (x2-3 life cost) 'ones for the future' have, pretty much without exception, been ****.

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