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Hang on.. Isnt Fammy basically a much  much much better Jon Stead? Similar facets one's revered the other 'loathed'

Weird.

Fwiw I love the guy incredibly difficult to play against, does lots of work, clearly not many notice and scores a fair few too.

 

I'm not sure what people want more than that.

 

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8 minutes ago, Gazred said:

I don't think we play to his strengths. He's really not a back to goal target man. He looks better when he drifts into the channels or wide and is running at goal.

He needs someone along side him. We can't go another season with him leading the line on his own.

Exactly my thoughts...

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Famara is 12.5 stone.

They all look bigger on the pitch for some reason. They are all built like long distance runners.

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29 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Not in a million years is Fam 16 stone. Maybe 14. 

 

27 minutes ago, joenaldo said:

Nah I reckon more than 14 tbf

 

6 minutes ago, spudski said:

Famara is 12.5 stone.

They all look bigger on the pitch for some reason. They are all built like long distance runners.

 

 

Maybe I am just a fat **** then but still the point stands

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If we want to get the best out of him, we need to play differently.  We don’t play to his strengths.

It’s a tough one though, stick or twist.  If Johnson genuinely wants to play a big guy up top on his own, recruit one who can play that role.  Personally I don’t think we need a big guy up top.

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

If we want to get the best out of him, we need to play differently.  We don’t play to his strengths.

It’s a tough one though, stick or twist.  If Johnson genuinely wants to play a big guy up top on his own, recruit one who can play that role.  Personally I don’t think we need a big guy up top.

What do you think his strengths are Dave? I actually think he'd make a decent CB.

I'd also prefer a more mobile 'footballer' up front. 

Famara on the high line lacks movement. It slows our game down and allows teams to organise defensively.

Hence how often our midfield and defence have to check and turn back, as there is often no clean pass on.

Two speedy forwards, who can read a game with plenty of movement would be my preferred way of playing.

Plus an upgrade on Pack. Or someone of equal quality who can give him competition. The ball needs to be played so much quicker from midfield to moving forwards through the lines.

As it is...it stops in the last third.

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58 minutes ago, RalphMilnesLeftFoot said:

Hang on.. Isnt Fammy basically a much  much much better Jon Stead? Similar facets one's revered the other 'loathed'

Weird.

Fwiw I love the guy incredibly difficult to play against, does lots of work, clearly not many notice and scores a fair few too.

 

I'm not sure what people want more than that.

 

Simple really. If we want to get promoted we can’t have him leading our attack. People get confused between effort and ability. Every time a player pulls our shirt on I expect 100% effort, that’s a given. Ability wise he’s not good enough. 

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2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Simple really. If we want to get promoted we can’t have him leading our attack. People get confused between effort and ability. Every time a player pulls our shirt on I expect 100% effort, that’s a given. Ability wise he’s not good enough. 

He has the ability though.

 

Many single out mistakes as being the mark of him, but ignore everything else.

He's an utter nightmare for defenders because you dont know what he's going to do and has a strong all around game.

Given game times bans and injury happy to have him think crouch, heskey et al. It's why I mentioned Stead

 

When we got in to play offs Byfield was highest scorer with 8 or summat daft

 

Football is a team game, weve progressed and are better with him

 

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22 minutes ago, spudski said:

What do you think his strengths are Dave? I actually think he'd make a decent CB.

I'd also prefer a more mobile 'footballer' up front. 

Famara on the high line lacks movement. It slows our game down and allows teams to organise defensively.

Hence how often our midfield and defence have to check and turn back, as there is often no clean pass on.

Two speedy forwards, who can read a game with plenty of movement would be my preferred way of playing.

Plus an upgrade on Pack. Or someone of equal quality who can give him competition. The ball needs to be played so much quicker from midfield to moving forwards through the lines.

As it is...it stops in the last third.

Spud....exactly what I would do, if I could choose the way we play, which would probably mean moving Fam on.

Pack, Same opinion too.

We rarely turn our opponents back four around.  We rarely spring a ball into the channel on transition.  Look at how many times Pukki gets beyond their CBs, early in transition, and they all squeeze up quickly behind, making it hard to get out.  Reid did that, Kodjia did that (as he got used to the Champ).

We don’t have the technical players to play like Norwich....they’ve proved you can recruit them though, and cheaply. 

I want to play at a much higher tempo than we do currently.

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He’s not good enough to get us promoted. His first touch is awful and he cannot hold a ball up. He doesn’t put himself about enough. 

I heard that from an ex City forward who did get us up!

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9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Spud....exactly what I would do, if I could choose the way we play, which would probably mean moving Fam on.

Pack, Same opinion too.

We rarely turn our opponents back four around.  We rarely spring a ball into the channel on transition.  Look at how many times Pukki gets beyond their CBs, early in transition, and they all squeeze up quickly behind, making it hard to get out.  Reid did that, Kodjia did that (as he got used to the Champ).

We don’t have the technical players to play like Norwich....they’ve proved you can recruit them though, and cheaply. 

I want to play at a much higher tempo than we do currently.

That's exactly my thoughts as well Dave. I think the signing of Famara has stiffled how we play offensively and certain players have had to adapt differently because of him.

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I don’t doubt or question his heart or effort and respect the role he had been asked to play.

That said he is still a striker and strikers should score goals.

Sadly his finishing is woeful and I would look for alternatives.

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Technique was dreadful on that miss today. He sees there is nothing in front of him, why wouldn't you head it downwards? Schoolboy stuff.

That said, i really like the guy, the character, and for all his flaws i'm not in the Fam's not up to it camp. (well, if we can find better for our budget

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He's fantastic at some things and woeful at others. Him Semenyo Weimann and a new good striker will be a sound foursome though.

 

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5 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Spud....exactly what I would do, if I could choose the way we play, which would probably mean moving Fam on.

Pack, Same opinion too.

We rarely turn our opponents back four around.  We rarely spring a ball into the channel on transition.  Look at how many times Pukki gets beyond their CBs, early in transition, and they all squeeze up quickly behind, making it hard to get out.  Reid did that, Kodjia did that (as he got used to the Champ).

We don’t have the technical players to play like Norwich....they’ve proved you can recruit them though, and cheaply. 

I want to play at a much higher tempo than we do currently.

I would say we do have the technical players such as Paterson, Weimann, and hopefully Palmer. But it all falls down when there is little movement or anticipation up front.

Imo we need a striker with similar attributes to those three, good movement and anticipation. 

If Reid were still here with Weimann, Paterson, and Palmer, we'd be very much like Norwich imo. 

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5 hours ago, 054123 said:

I don’t doubt or question his heart or effort and respect the role he had been asked to play.

That said he is still a striker and strikers should score goals.

Sadly his finishing is woeful and I would look for alternatives.

Funny thing is, the goal and how he took it at Millwall and some of his goals earlier in the season- think the Blackburn and West Brom games in September- were harder and further out than the chances he missed today!

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15 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Funny thing is, the goal and how he took it at Millwall and some of his goals earlier in the season- think the Blackburn and West Brom games in September- were harder and further out than the chances he missed today!

The header against Reading from 6 yards out straight at the keeper.

If he is our only striker then it is imperative he score more goals.

There is a tendency in modern football to overthink the whole thing.

Sometimes it’s quite straightforward 

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Fammy is really good at defending, works his socks off. But if we really have promotion aspirations we should be bringing him off the bench. He's no Kodjia for sure. That's the kind of striker we need upfront. Quick, strong, and gives defenders more to think about. I like fam but his finish and first touch are, at times, very poor. 

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Bless him . Not the most gifted but a real 100% every game and god loves a trier . Got a few goals but what do we expect for what we paid for the lad , you usually get what you paid for !!

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59 minutes ago, 054123 said:

The header against Reading from 6 yards out straight at the keeper.

If he is our only striker then it is imperative he score more goals.

There is a tendency in modern football to overthink the whole thing.

Sometimes it’s quite straightforward 

Oh don't disagree that he should be more prolific. That's a good example, I remember a majorly easy miss he had v Bolton at home in January too.

Then though I think back to his good finish at home to Norwich a month before. Harder than the Bolton miss..he isn't perhaps terribly instinctive.

Hitting woodwork at Derby from 20-25 yards out clearly was a good strike- would've been a great goal.

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16 hours ago, JBFC II said:

In the inflated market of today it really isn't. 

It's no wonder other fans regularly state how good he is. Yes he's not a 20 goal a season striker but the work he does for the team is pivotal. 

We'd be looking at 7-8 million for him now

7-8 million!!!  Blimey I'd snatch any bidders hands off if they offered that.  Personally think we'd be lucky to make  money paid for him back.

Agree with many , cannot fault him for effort, works tirelessly for team, but unfortunately his ball retention, finishing, positional skills etc don't seem to improve at all ..  Top League one player but can't see too many championship clubs paying top money for him.

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I’m not convinced he does work his socks off, he works hard, but I do think he keeps some in the tank to avoid burning out after 65-75 minutes.  He doesn’t actually get many challenges in.  I appreciate he’s not Reid, but his workrate is nowhere near Weimann’s either.

He is great on defensive corners though.

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17 hours ago, RalphMilnesLeftFoot said:

He has the ability though.

 

Many single out mistakes as being the mark of him, but ignore everything else.

He's an utter nightmare for defenders because you dont know what he's going to do and has a strong all around game.

Given game times bans and injury happy to have him think crouch, heskey et al. It's why I mentioned Stead

 

When we got in to play offs Byfield was highest scorer with 8 or summat daft

 

Football is a team game, weve progressed and are better with him

 

As I said . If we want to get promoted he’s not good enough. 

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Looking at the highlights, he could have been offside for both chances yesterday? I know that isn't the discussion here, but just saying.

P.S. On workrate, for one Hull break first half, he got back to cover before any of the midfielders did. he must have been well upfield to start with.

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5 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

As I said . If we want to get promoted he’s not good enough. 

I agree 100%.

I would say that LJ is borderline of get rid or try to get the best out of him judging from this remark from him;

"We’ve got to finish our chances. We should’ve scored nine/ten goals in the last four games. We’ve got to nurture it or recruit it. That’s where we need to push now."

He's obviously pointing the finger at all the players but probably at Diedhiou in particular.

 

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5 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

I agree 100%.

I would say that LJ is borderline of get rid or try to get the best out of him judging from this remark from him;

"We’ve got to finish our chances. We should’ve scored nine/ten goals in the last four games. We’ve got to nurture it or recruit it. That’s where we need to push now."

He's obviously pointing the finger at all the players but probably at Diedhiou in particular.

I agree - his movement, presence, football intelligence etc are all lacking at this level ... I’m still shuddering about his four ‘open goal’ misses vs Bolton at home, including splaffing one miles over the bar from 4 yards out with their keeper nowhere to be seen. But the one at Hull was just unbelievable - people say ‘Fammy has the right attitude and tries so hard’ etc - but that’s the absolute minimum that should be expected from every player who dons our shirt ...

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