Bristol Rob Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 Is it just me who thinks the division might be weaker next season? With more clubs likely to curb spending due to FFP and the sides being relegated seemingly not that special, will it be the most open division in years, or will it come down to the relegated sides and the remaining big-name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 Huddersfield, a Fulham in disarray and Cardiff. Dont see a problem there. Sheff Wed fancy themselves, as will the 3 play off teams but another wide open division awaits as it stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWred Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 I've been thinking the same, particualrly due to the 3 clubs coming down; Fulham, Cardiff and Huddersfield along with the 2 confirmed teams coming up; Barnsley & Luton it's already shaping up to be a slightly weaker league in terms of the quality of opposition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 Its always a tough league regardless of who has been relegated promoted etc. We will have as good a chance as any providing the recuitment is good.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Huddersfield, a Fulham in disarray and Cardiff. Dont see a problem there. Sheff Wed fancy themselves, as will the 3 play off teams but another wide open division awaits as it stands Do Wednesday have any money to spend, or are they at the limit though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 punk Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 the three clubs coming down have problems with possible change of managers the three coming up have no serious money a lot of clubs have ffp issues derby,villa if they fail weds ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 I think the likes of Forest could well kick on, they`ve had a quiet season. Financially they seem OK and seem to have opted for a bit of stability recently. Swansea & Stoke, who knows if they`ll make a better fist of it - Swansea in particular looked to be getting it together towards the end of the season. Brentford & PNE will be there or thereabouts again IMO. FFP might sort a few out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TammyAB Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 I think everyone from 3rd to 8th (except the team who goes up) will be in the top 8 again next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 Always seems to be a surprise team like Sheffield United this season. Hopefully its us next term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Do Wednesday have any money to spend, or are they at the limit though? Very near the limit I believe @Mr Popodopolous will no doubt clarify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Is it just me who thinks the division might be weaker next season? With more clubs likely to curb spending due to FFP and the sides being relegated seemingly not that special, will it be the most open division in years, or will it come down to the relegated sides and the remaining big-name? Gary Owers mentioned it on RB too, especially if Leeds Utd go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 The relegated sides look weaker but think they have some strengths that are perhaps overlooked as they are more associated with this level and below. Cardiff- If Warnock stays they should be in a solid place. They have money to strengthen, a solid financial position for retention and perhaps fairly importantly Smithies, Cunningham, Murphy and Reid all strong at this level. Bacuna could do alright at Championship level too. I remember saying early in the season that Burnley or similar maybe a model they follow... a lot depends on Vincent Tan though- will he stick with that or will he sack Warnock and appoint some randomer! They also likely have to replace Gunnarson, Camarasa and Arter- could leave a hole in their midfield! Fulham- Annoyingly for the division after appointing Parker they seemed to get some stability. Last few weeks seemed to be looking more like the Fulham of last season too! Lot will depend on summer business, whether Scott Parker gets the job or they fancy someone more proven IMO. Think he could be a sound choice however. Huddersfield- Funny one. They seem to building up the infrastructure and like Blackpool their promotion a huge bonus on the pitch a huge bonus on and off the pitch. Staying up only added to that- ON PAPER off the pitch a lot of boxes to tick but on it they need rid of their manager absolutely. They may as well have kept Wagner. New owner maybe a wildcard- is he rich, is he mad- charalatan, sound character? Hoyle was very good...new owner total unknown quantity though he is apparently a Huddersfield fan! Nome of those will dominate however. Should be an open League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: Always seems to be a surprise team like Sheffield United this season. Hopefully its us next term See where your coming from, if Luton hold on to their strike force and with a couple of astute signings can see them being at least a top half side. As for Sheff Utd. That didn't come as a surprise to me, or to many I would suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, stephenkibby. said: See where your coming from, if Luton hold on to their strike force and with a couple of astute signings can see them being at least a top half side. As for Sheff Utd. That didn't come as a surprise to me, or to many I would suspect. I think for automatic promotion Sheffield United was slightly surprising. Luton as you say could be a threat but this league is brutal ( I believe we are sniffing around one of the strikers , along with a host of others no doubt ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 Four big clubs in the play-offs (only one can win 'em) plus Swansea and Hull could be good next season, Forest, Wednesday as people have said. Easier? Probably not. The Championship will most likely be as tough as ever and we will need some bloody good signings to compete again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 50 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Very near the limit I believe @Mr Popodopolous will no doubt clarify It's a hard one to say. I will put an asterix by my answer for that reason. *All logic suggests they're close to, at or over their limit. Financial results and lack of sales reinforce this in 2015/16 and 2016/17. @OwlsonlineAdmin seems to think they're okay though. Can't see how... *Now this is where it gets interesting and murky. Their financial year ran to May 31 2018. Their results were therefore due out at end of Feb 2019 or in practical terms probably a few days on. *However on 27th Feb 2019 it was announced that their reporting period extended to 31 July 2019. This may have reduced outgoings for 2 months wages for players released last summer, had Jack Hunt's move to us down in 2017/18 accounts instead of 2018/19 or have meant season ticket revenue in last season instead of this- perhaps elements of all 3? Truth is, we just don't know still..their accounts for last season were originally due out Feb 28th 2019, then after the extension it was April 30th 2019. Now 2 months on and now they're nearly overdue. If they're not out soon they surely technically will be overdue! They must surely have breached though or at best be kicking the can down the road. *- Their can kicking creates doubt. Smoke and mirrors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: It's a hard one to say. I will put an asterix by my answer for that reason. *All logic suggests they're close to, at or over their limit. Financial results and lack of sales reinforce this in 2015/16 and 2016/17. @OwlsonlineAdmin seems to think they're okay though. Can't see how... *Now this is where it gets interesting and murky. Their financial year ran to May 31 2018. Their results were therefore due out at end of Feb 2019 or in practical terms probably a few days on. *However on 27th Feb 2019 it was announced that their reporting period extended to 31 July 2019. This may have reduced outgoings for 2 months wages for players released last summer, had Jack Hunt's move to us down in 2017/18 accounts instead of 2018/19 or have meant season ticket revenue in last season instead of this- perhaps elements of all 3? Truth is, we just don't know still..their accounts for last season were originally due out Feb 28th 2019, then after the extension it was April 30th 2019. Now 2 months on and now they're nearly overdue. If they're not out soon they surely technically will be overdue! They must surely have breached though or at best be kicking the can down the road. *- Their can kicking creates doubt. Smoke and mirrors. How do football clubs account for their season ticket sales? Cash basis? 12ths? over the playing season? I can see all kinds of fun & games by extending their accounting period into the close season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 37 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said: How do football clubs account for their season ticket sales? Cash basis? 12ths? over the playing season? I can see all kinds of fun & games by extending their accounting period into the close season! Unsure how it'd be accounted for. It's only a guess of mine, but maybe the period of season ticket sales for 2018/19 between end of May-end of July may appear in the 2017/18 accounts. This kicks the can down the road for the 3 year period to last season but surely that gain would in this scenario be offset by no revenue for Hunt, and more importantly for season tickets sold in these 2 months. As you say all sorts of chicanery, jiggery pokery etc possible with moves like this! One for @Coppello perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: Do Wednesday have any money to spend, or are they at the limit though? I think they are in the FFP s**t also and may have to trade players I think Brentford will do well next season if they can keep their key players, I also for some bizarre reason fancy us to do well and push for a top 2 spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppello Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Unsure how it'd be accounted for. It's only a guess of mine, but maybe the period of season ticket sales for 2018/19 between end of May-end of July may appear in the 2017/18 accounts. This kicks the can down the road for the 3 year period to last season but surely that gain would in this scenario be offset by no revenue for Hunt, and more importantly for season tickets sold in these 2 months. As you say all sorts of chicanery, jiggery pokery etc possible with moves like this! One for @Coppello perhaps? @Drew Peacock There’s two real ways of doing it: 1) You recognise the income across the number of games in the season. As one game occurs, you recognise 1/46 of revenue. 2) You spread evenly across 10 (?) months of the playing season and recognise it in even increments. Overall, they’d end up in the same result as both June and May year ends fall outside of the playing season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, INCRED said: I think they are in the FFP s**t also and may have to trade players I think Brentford will do well next season if they can keep their key players, I also for some bizarre reason fancy us to do well and push for a top 2 spot Steve Bruce as per their forum said he would like 5-6 players incoming. If they've worked round the system they are an odious bunch of cheats. Same as Aston Villa, Derby and anyone else trying it- there I've said it. Embargo and points please if this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PooPants Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 Swansea to be bottom 8, if not relegated. The guys they have in charge are not cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Coppello said: @Drew Peacock There’s two real ways of doing it: 1) You recognise the income across the number of games in the season. As one game occurs, you recognise 1/46 of revenue. 2) You spread evenly across 10 (?) months of the playing season and recognise it in even increments. Overall, they’d end up in the same result as both June and May year ends fall outside of the playing season. Couldn’t it just be as simple as account for it in the period received? For those of us who pay in full, account for it in full, etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Diddlydonkey said: Swansea to be bottom 8, if not relegated. The guys they have in charge are not cool. As long as they keep McBurnie, they'll be okay. Any side with a decent forward should be well away from the wrong end of the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 I think we're in with a good chance provided LJ is still here, we obviously need a goalscorer to give Fam some competition and it would be good if we could sign a couple of the Chelsea loanees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Diddlydonkey said: Swansea to be bottom 8, if not relegated. The guys they have in charge are not cool. Can't see them going down- their owners seem terrible however. Lower midtable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Diddlydonkey said: Swansea to be bottom 8, if not relegated. The guys they have in charge are not cool. I thought that about this season, yet Potter even managed a late push for the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppello Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Couldn’t it just be as simple as account for it in the period received? For those of us who pay in full, account for it in full, etc etc. That would make life a little easier. But one of the principles of accounting is the matching concept. Basically, you need to match revenues and expenses in the period in which they are earned/incurred. As the 19/20 football season hasn’t started, and have you haven’t actually let anyone through the turnstiles yet, you can’t recognise the income. Similarly, any promotion bonuses for Norwich may not be paid out until August 2019. However, as they relate to this season, they’d need to be recognised in the 18/19 accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Can't see them going down- their owners seem terrible however. Lower midtable? Their owners are essentially asset stripping. Daniel James won't be the only player they sell this summer imo. Under the circumstances Graham Potter has done a fine job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, chinapig said: Their owners are essentially asset stripping. Daniel James won't be the only player they sell this summer imo. Under the circumstances Graham Potter has done a fine job. McBurnie, if you could get him cut-price would be a very good signing. He won’t be cut-price, but we can But dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.