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Taylor, Wright and O'Dowda

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Does anyone else think we might be about to make Taylor, and Wright available for transfer; alongside COD of course.

Seems strange to only exercise another year; rather than a fresh new contract.

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Think you can add watkins to that list whilst ive loved the matty taylor efforts that pass to korey v mufc was sublime i think if we are serious about promotion we need to upgrade same goes for bailey cannot fault his effort but not quite good enough

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Taylor will bring a few hundred thousand in at most.

So the question is, is he better off bring kept in as a backup?

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7 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said:

Does anyone else think we might be about to make Taylor, and Wright available for transfer; alongside COD of course.

Seems strange to only exercise another year; rather than a fresh new contract.

CoD will almost certainly be off.

Wright - club captain, well respected within the club....... but a bang average Championship defender. I’m kinda meh about him   :dunno:

Taylor - I like him as a player. He’s busy with excellent stamina. Popular in the dressing room......but is he really Championship quality?  He’s had few starts in his season and a half despite Famara crying out for a strike partner. I’d like to see him stay but if he moved on I wouldn’t be surprised.

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2 minutes ago, Lucan said:

Taylor will bring a few hundred thousand in at most.

So the question is, is he better off bring kept in as a backup?

In this day and age he'll be a  million at least...

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Would like to see Taylor run down his contract here, decent back up and a good player to have in and around the squad. 

Also if Rovers has any sort of sell of clause it would mean they’d get absolutely nothing more from us if we sell him :D 

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18 minutes ago, Judda said:

In this day and age he'll be a  million at least...

Keep dreaming. He is 29, has a seriously underwhelming scoring record since joining and 12 months on his contract. 

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Sell all of them. We are looking to progress and o dowda doesn't want to be here and the others aren't at this top championship level

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I'd really like Taylor to stay, I know he will be a squad player but brings great energy to the team when needed, and he is also a bit of a pr1ck against the opposition which I love.

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49 minutes ago, DownendRed97 said:

Would like to see Taylor run down his contract here, decent back up and a good player to have in and around the squad. 

Also if Rovers has any sort of sell of clause it would mean they’d get absolutely nothing more from us if we sell him :D 

In some ways, it would be more amusing if Rovers got just over 300k from a sell on (assuming 10%)

As that would mean we'd have made a fortune on a 300k speculative signing.

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1 hour ago, ncnsbcfc said:

Does anyone else think we might be about to make Taylor, and Wright available for transfer; alongside COD of course.

Seems strange to only exercise another year; rather than a fresh new contract.

Basically, both players have value, exercising the option stopped them going for free this summer.  Also, both player and club might have reservations about his much game time they might get going forward so no new contract / extension offered, which just kicks the Can down the goal.  Now we know what division we are in, both player and club can decide what happens next.

48 minutes ago, Judda said:

In this day and age he'll be a  million at least...

If Eisa is £1.5m, then Taylor, who had a good record in Lg1, and despite his age, will definitely be worth that (imho).  Lower end Champ side may fancy the way he plays too.

46 minutes ago, DownendRed97 said:

Would like to see Taylor run down his contract here, decent back up and a good player to have in and around the squad. 

Also if Rovers has any sort of sell of clause it would mean they’d get absolutely nothing more from us if we sell him :D 

If he’s still here at the end of the summer, I suspect it will be with a new contract.

Same for Wright.

Both their futures may be decided by who we recruit/ don’t recruit.

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6 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

In some ways, it would be more amusing if Rovers got just over 300k from a sell on (assuming 10%)

As that would mean we'd have made a fortune on a 300k speculative signing.

No sell on

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1 hour ago, Lucan said:

Keep dreaming. He is 29, has a seriously underwhelming scoring record since joining and 12 months on his contract. 

£1m doesn't get you strikers anymore at this level... surely the likes of Luton would take a punt at that...

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2 minutes ago, Judda said:

£1m doesn't get you strikers anymore at this level... surely the likes of Luton would take a punt at that...

Nobody is dropping 7 figures on a failed league one level striker who is approaching the end of his contract and 30

I suggest you check out this if you think Luton are going to be doing City a big favour :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Luton_Town_F.C._records_and_statistics#Record_transfer_fees_paid

 

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Wigan probably need a striker a bit younger than Garner and with a bit more ability- in a technical sense- than what they have up front- ideal location if we decide to sell?

You could say similar in fact about Wright if we decide to sell and Watkins who I hope will be sold or shipped out- Barnsley, Luton, Portsmouth, Wigan all locations who maybe a useful fit- and more importantly who maybe interested.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I believe you are right.

Yup, agree. Lansdown is a bean counter.

1.) Sell for £350k...profit👍

2.) Good pass in game v Man U..profit👍

3.) Value of wages v profit contribution 18/19 season.... debatable 👎

4.) Forecast for cost value in 19/20 against business plan...high risk.

No brainer in his eyes. Shame, cuz I like Matty👍

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Taylor just doesnt score enough to justify one of the 4 striker places in the squad, and i would prefer sememyo get more time. We clearly need someone in who is a regular goal threat, whether that is assombalonga, or whoever

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27 minutes ago, simon uk said:

Taylor just doesnt score enough to justify one of the 4 striker places in the squad, and i would prefer sememyo get more time. We clearly need someone in who is a regular goal threat, whether that is assombalonga, or whoever

Is that based on Semenyo’s prolific goal scoring record in league football then..?! 

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1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

Is that based on Semenyo’s prolific goal scoring record in league football then..?! 

Hes about as likely to score for us as taylor is, and hes 10 years younger

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14 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I believe you are right.

Given we met a minimum fee release clause I doubt we would have offered a sell on, the effect of which would be to pay more than the minimum fee release clause if we were to profit. I suppose its conceivable his min release clause was £300k + 10% sell on, but seems incredibly unlikely. 

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16 hours ago, ncnsbcfc said:

Does anyone else think we might be about to make Taylor, and Wright available for transfer; alongside COD of course.

Seems strange to only exercise another year; rather than a fresh new contract.

Can only see CO'D being close to the door, would imagine the other two to still be with us next season

The one year extension will only be because that was agree probably on the same current terms meaning the club don't have to up their salaries at this time

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I think people on here are overestimating the potential value of both Wright and Taylor, it would probably be more worth it to just keep them in the squad for a year and re-evaluate next season than to sell them off for a few 100ks and have to buy another squad player. 

15 hours ago, Davefevs said:

If Eisa is £1.5m, then Taylor, who had a good record in Lg1, and despite his age, will definitely be worth that (imho).  Lower end Champ side may fancy the way he plays too.

If he’s still here at the end of the summer, I suspect it will be with a new contract.

Same for Wright.

Both their futures may be decided by who we recruit/ don’t recruit.

Nobody necessarily goes for their true value though with only a year left on their contract, anybody looking to buy either will be because they are only squad players and have a year left so they will be after a cut price deal. 

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I hope we keep Wright. Obviously I hope we can resign Kalas and if we do BW can be back up. If we had that, along with keeping baker there can't be many teams in the championship with better back ups than us. Not sure why people want to get rid, strong squads win you promotion so it's important we have depth in key areas. 

Taylor needs replacing, I'd give that "4th choice" striker slot next year to Semenyo or Eisa. So either one of those will need to be loaned at. 

Whilst some our right these players aren't good enough to play 46 games and be a starter every week, they are good enough to have on the bench and be relied on when needed. 

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16 hours ago, Lucan said:

Taylor will bring a few hundred thousand in at most.

So the question is, is he better off bring kept in as a backup?

Re; Taylor..i think that may be more value/sensible,certainly for next season....

Wright just not good enough & as for Watkins it's an odd one from the outset-'pointless.

One or two (or three) less 'clubs in the bag please & up the quality.

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3 hours ago, marcofisher said:

I think people on here are overestimating the potential value of both Wright and Taylor, it would probably be more worth it to just keep them in the squad for a year and re-evaluate next season than to sell them off for a few 100ks and have to buy another squad player. 

Nobody necessarily goes for their true value though with only a year left on their contract, anybody looking to buy either will be because they are only squad players and have a year left so they will be after a cut price deal. 

Reid and Bryan fetched tidy sums in their final years. 

Agree with what you say about cost to recruit replacements, but I’m not sure we need to if Wright (Vyner / Moore) and Taylor (Semenyo /Eisa ?????) leave. 

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4 hours ago, simon uk said:

Hes about as likely to score for us as taylor is, and hes 10 years younger

Based on all the goals he scored at League 2 level this season..? 

How many was it...?

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9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Reid and Bryan fetched tidy sums in their final years. 

Agree with what you say about cost to recruit replacements, but I’m not sure we need to if Wright (Vyner / Moore) and Taylor (Semenyo /Eisa ?????) leave. 

Can you really compare Bryan and Reid to Taylor though? The first two were the top players in our team, and went to clubs higher up the football pyramid, such transfers will always cost more. Taylor, despite being talented, is not a player who we are going to sell to the Prem or another top championship team. He will more likely go to a bottom half championship/L1 club, who will be looking for a cut price deal. 

You are entirely correct with the replacement parts, although I do think we need to look to bring in one more top quality forward, with Semenyo as the 4th choice. Eisa needs to go out on loan I feel. 

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7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Reid and Bryan fetched tidy sums in their final years. 

Agree with what you say about cost to recruit replacements, but I’m not sure we need to if Wright (Vyner / Moore) and Taylor (Semenyo /Eisa ?????) leave. 

This debate highlights just how difficult it must be for LJ and his assistants to draw up a list of players they feel aren’t quite what they’ll need to push on next season. It’s has to be a really tough job especially letting those players know that they can move on.

That said, the squad will know that LJ will be strengthening the squad and some of them will undoubtedly feel that they are on the exit list.

We on here have views on who should go but none of us have all the relevant inner knowledge that LJ and the coaches have. All we make judgments on is what we see on a match day but there’s far more involved when it comes to deciding who to move on.

For example - we don’t know which type of players LJ is planning to sign. We can surmise of course but without actually knowing we’re at a serious disadvantage...........

So my limited view is that Taylor should stay and that Wright can move on........based entirely on what I’ve seen on the pitch,

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55 minutes ago, marcofisher said:

Can you really compare Bryan and Reid to Taylor though? The first two were the top players in our team, and went to clubs higher up the football pyramid, such transfers will always cost more. Taylor, despite being talented, is not a player who we are going to sell to the Prem or another top championship team. He will more likely go to a bottom half championship/L1 club, who will be looking for a cut price deal. 

You are entirely correct with the replacement parts, although I do think we need to look to bring in one more top quality forward, with Semenyo as the 4th choice. Eisa needs to go out on loan I feel. 

Yep, bad comparison. 

We defo need another striker. 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Reid and Bryan fetched tidy sums in their final years. 

Agree with what you say about cost to recruit replacements, but I’m not sure we need to if Wright (Vyner / Moore) and Taylor (Semenyo /Eisa ?????) leave. 

🤣🤣🤣

 

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I find it strange that some people don't rate Wright. I wouldn't be against selling him if we are bringing in a quicker, more dynamic defender who can bring the ball out.

But Bailey is clearly very good at being a no nonsense, solid central defender at this level. He is clearly championship level. 

I think he is a better defender than Baker. I don't see what Baker is better at. I think Baker only gets in sometimes over Wright because he is left footed and adds some balance to that side.

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38 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I find it strange that some people don't rate Wright. I wouldn't be against selling him if we are bringing in a quicker, more dynamic defender who can bring the ball out.

But Bailey is clearly very good at being a no nonsense, solid central defender at this level. He is clearly championship level. 

I think he is a better defender than Baker. I don't see what Baker is better at. I think Baker only gets in sometimes over Wright because he is left footed and adds some balance to that side.

I've been a City fan since 1990 and I honestly think there have only been, at most, five seasons in that time where Bailey Wright would not walk into the first team. 

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Reid and Bryan fetched tidy sums in their final years. 

Agree with what you say about cost to recruit replacements, but I’m not sure we need to if Wright (Vyner / Moore) and Taylor (Semenyo /Eisa ?????) leave. 

I wonder if that is part of the thinking - i.e. we need Wright and Taylor for another year but, once that year is up, there are likely to be players within the development system who can take their place.

I reckon we'd need to replace Wright or Taylor now but, a year from now, you would hope the players you mention will be ready to step in. 

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1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

I wonder if that is part of the thinking - i.e. we need Wright and Taylor for another year but, once that year is up, there are likely to be players within the development system who can take their place.

I reckon we'd need to replace Wright or Taylor now but, a year from now, you would hope the players you mention will be ready to step in. 

Possibly, but if you sign Kalas, the need for Wright / Baker falls.

If we sign a starting striker, with Diedhiou, Weimann and Semenyo, the need for Taylor falls.

All guesswork though

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23 hours ago, RUSSEL85 said:

he is also a bit of a pr1ck 

Some Sag habits die hard...

 

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15 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Not starts surely? I assume that most of those 71 were 20 min sub appearances.

If that. I’m sure he’s come on a few times with 4 minutes to go etc. I appreciate he’s not likely to be the answer and seems to have more impact as a sub but people have to think of him in minutes played rather than matches. It’s not all about scoring for him, he does lots off the ball to make space and bring others into the game.

Don’t know if it’s enough but sometimes it’s better the Devil you know.

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9 minutes ago, RedM said:

If that. I’m sure he’s come on a few times with 4 minutes to go etc. I appreciate he’s not likely to be the answer and seems to have more impact as a sub but people have to think of him in minutes played rather than matches. It’s not all about scoring for him, he does lots off the ball to make space and bring others into the game.

Don’t know if it’s enough but sometimes it’s better the Devil you know.

He has scored at a rate of about 1 goal every 400 minutes in the Championship sine City came up

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29 minutes ago, RedM said:

If that. I’m sure he’s come on a few times with 4 minutes to go etc. I appreciate he’s not likely to be the answer and seems to have more impact as a sub but people have to think of him in minutes played rather than matches. It’s not all about scoring for him, he does lots off the ball to make space and bring others into the game.

Don’t know if it’s enough but sometimes it’s better the Devil you know.

....and as a team we score a goal every 51 minutes with MT on the pitch and 69 with Fam, and 71 with Weimann.

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36 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

....and as a team we score a goal every 51 minutes with MT on the pitch and 69 with Fam, and 71 with Weimann.

This is it.

Taylor has the 10 assists in the League in his time here- decent technically as well as the intense energy.

Worth keeping as a squad player on ability alone IMO- to say nothing of the fact that he is relatively low cost. Strikers are primarily judged on goals but these days, far from the only relevant criteria.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

....and as a team we score a goal every 51 minutes with MT on the pitch and 69 with Fam, and 71 with Weimann.

The only thing I would say about that stat is that more goals are usually statistically scored nearer the end of games. So anyone coming off the bench should usually have a better minutes per team goal ratio than those that start most games.

I think if we bring in a striker to compete with Diedhiou then I would sell Taylor. A new quality pacy number 9, Diedhiou, Semenyo and Weimann all as options would mean we don't really need Taylor imo.

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I ould like to see COD stay, I think he has great ability and will go on to be better. 

Wright and Taylor depends on who we bring in, if we get Kalas, Dasilva and a striker then I don't see the need for Taylor and Wright. It's a bit cutthroat as they have both been excellent in service to the club but the tag I keep seeing is "relentless in pursuit of excellence" and neither of those 2 are going to be excellent at this level.

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19 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

The only thing I would say about that stat is that more goals are usually statistically scored nearer the end of games. So anyone coming off the bench should usually have a better minutes per team goal ratio than those that start most games.

I think if we bring in a striker to compete with Diedhiou then I would sell Taylor. A new quality pacy number 9, Diedhiou, Semenyo and Weimann all as options would mean we don't really need Taylor imo.

Yeah, agree JD, very true Re goals later on, but it still shows his impact on the team, and what he offers beyond pure goals.  I’ve never been his biggest fan, but I do recognise other things he brings.

But it is time to push on, we need more quality.  Again, although I appreciate what an unselfish role Fam plays, I wouldn’t think too hard of moving him on to bring in a better striker, more suited to the style LJ wants to play.

Probably some tough decisions thus summer, and I think even Frankie being released shows there won’t be too much sentiment going around.

Quite excited for this summer....but careful not to get too excited, we are still competing with lots of other bigger teams.

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