Med/MadHatter Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 36 minutes ago, B1ackbird said: In the seventies Chimps did a lot more, like move pianos and race in the tour de France, now they just sling their own s*** at visitors in safari parks, a shame really. Talking to any Gashead they will tell you the only people who don't like the world renound Bristol Rovers are Ted's and Danny Baker, so in a way a victory for the Blue few.. Its weird because this very morning when i woke up i Googled "why does Danny Baker call Bristol Rovers liars", as I couldn't remember why it was so, then i was confronted with this news about the royals and chimps, still can't believe how stupid he has been! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: I realise he has a "thing" about the PG Tips chimps, but I've not seen proof from anyone that he has tweeted a picture of a baby chimp when anyone else's baby has been in the news. If he has, fair enough. If not, I'm skeptical that he "failed to consider" how this picture would be interpreted in this case. Okay but he has no previous for any kind of racism or sexism. Would be weird to start now? You might be jumping to a logical assumption but you're still just making assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, mozo said: Okay but he has no previous for any kind of racism or sexism. Would be weird to start now? You might be jumping to a logical assumption but you're still just making assumptions. I guess we're all making assumptions - either that it was an innocent accident or a deliberately vile joke. We cannot know definitively. I'm not a royalist, but I think it's a pretty awful "joke" to post anyway - comparing a new-born baby to a chimp. Hardly the baby's fault he's born into a "circus" of sycophancy. I was always a fan of Danny's and agree he has no previous: quite the reverse actually. But age and illness and hanging around with Millwall fans can do strange things to guys, so who really knows. I think we can agree that it was a pretty catastrophic error of judgement to send that tweet. It would probably have gone down a treat if shared privately with Big Baz at the Blue Anchor in Bermondsey, but putting it out to the world when you're a well-known broadcaster is idiotic, whatever the motive. I would have been sacked if I'd done it when I worked for the BBC, so I'm not surprised Baker has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Northern Red said: I don't believe he is a racist, or that he was trying to cause offence. However I'm not buying for a second that he wasn't aware of the connotations of it. I’m sure he was happy causing offence, but by comparing the Royals to performing animals, not in any racist way. That’s where he slipped up, because to him the “chimps in clothes” thing is a circus reference, not a racial reference. And he may have been pissed too! He can’t really complain about the result though. And I’m a big fan of his. It was an insulting reference to the new baby, regardless of its colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 Millwall forum going into meltdown, it is all the fault of the Marxist BBC. Lefties not allowing a decent guy to 'call a spade a spade'. They have some real charmers down The Den! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 Jokes about 'urangatan my lord' Wow, just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 Whether he intended anything or not its pretty moronic to post something like that given who he worked for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 2 hours ago, When the river runs said: I'd have lost a bet on that for sure. I could have sworn I've seen him in a spurs shirt. He`s great mates with Danny Kelly who is Spurs through and through so he probably lost a bet with him or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 In the "Museum of Tolerance" in Los Angeles, there is a room with interactive exhibits designed to identify the people (black people, women, Jews, gays, short people, fat people, disabled people, all sorts) you can't tolerate. You watch a video on the vast variety of prejudices designed to convince you that everyone has at least a few, and then you are invited to enter the museum proper through one of two doors, one marked PREJUDICED, and the other marked UNPREJUDICED. The latter door is locked, in case anyone misses the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: I guess we're all making assumptions - either that it was an innocent accident or a deliberately vile joke. We cannot know definitively. I'm not a royalist, but I think it's a pretty awful "joke" to post anyway - comparing a new-born baby to a chimp. Hardly the baby's fault he's born into a "circus" of sycophancy. I was always a fan of Danny's and agree he has no previous: quite the reverse actually. But age and illness and hanging around with Millwall fans can do strange things to guys, so who really knows. I think we can agree that it was a pretty catastrophic error of judgement to send that tweet. It would probably have gone down a treat if shared privately with Big Baz at the Blue Anchor in Bermondsey, but putting it out to the world when you're a well-known broadcaster is idiotic, whatever the motive. I would have been sacked if I'd done it when I worked for the BBC, so I'm not surprised Baker has been. Yep agree that it was stupidity to the max, but I think his explanation is plausable enough for us to give him a break. I made the mistake of reading comments on Twitter and wow, the moral grandstanding was insane. People who clearly know nothing about him labelling him a vile racist this and that. I'm pretty PC, but Twitter is all about stamping your feet and labelling people with no due diligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 11 hours ago, nebristolred said: I'd say the Tweets he posted preceding that picture indicate that he meant it exactly how it came across. Which tweets were those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 2 hours ago, mozo said: Yep agree that it was stupidity to the max, but I think his explanation is plausable enough for us to give him a break. I made the mistake of reading comments on Twitter and wow, the moral grandstanding was insane. People who clearly know nothing about him labelling him a vile racist this and that. I'm pretty PC, but Twitter is all about stamping your feet and labelling people with no due diligence. Very true, Moz. At the same time social media is also full of meatheads going "you can't call a spade a spade nowadays" and "the joke was funny" [It wasn't. On any level]. Not even as a racist joke.] My personal theory is he meant to send it to a mate, but accidentally tweeted it - possibly under the influence of a fair few cans. We'll never know, but my take home point is that a BBC underling would be sacked for tweeting that. Why should a celeb be treated differently? Even if he seems like a "nice bloke". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted May 10, 2019 Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: Very true, Moz. At the same time social media is also full of meatheads going "you can't call a spade a spade nowadays" and "the joke was funny" [It wasn't. On any level]. Not even as a racist joke.] My personal theory is he meant to send it to a mate, but accidentally tweeted it - possibly under the influence of a fair few cans. We'll never know, but my take home point is that a BBC underling would be sacked for tweeting that. Why should a celeb be treated differently? Even if he seems like a "nice bloke". I agree but I also think Stan Collymore makes some very valid points, including that some celebs - such as Alan Sugar - ARE treated differently: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Oh Louie louie Posted May 10, 2019 Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 Ron atkinson said worse i reckon, yet he continued to work in the media for years after. I wonder if baker will get another job? I dunno if it was own goals gaffs 1 or 2 but i recall baker getting really excited about chelsea losing 5 0 to rotherham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted May 10, 2019 Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Oh Louie louie said: Ron atkinson said worse i reckon, yet he continued to work in the media for years after. I wonder if baker will get another job? I dunno if it was own goals gaffs 1 or 2 but i recall baker getting really excited about chelsea losing 5 0 to rotherham. Talksport beckons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red-Robbo Posted May 10, 2019 Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: I agree but I also think Stan Collymore makes some very valid points, including that some celebs - such as Alan Sugar - ARE treated differently: Very true but the BBC can't sack Alan Sugar as he isn't an employee and won't have signed the same terms and conditions in a contract of direct employment as DB did. All they could have done is to decommission the Apprentice - which might be difficult given the ongoing contract with the production company who make it - or insist they change Sugar for some other mogul, which could also be difficult depending on the contract the production company have with Sugar. The fact that they are inconsistent doesn't really have any bearing on this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 10, 2019 Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 6 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: I agree but I also think Stan Collymore makes some very valid points, including that some celebs - such as Alan Sugar - ARE treated differently: He's plain wrong about LBC and 5 Live having no black/mixed race/Asian presenters. Both stations do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Rocker Posted May 10, 2019 Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 Haven't read the thread, sorry. Just want to say though, with the benefit of 40+ years reading Danny Baker's missives in the media and listening to his musings on radio and tv, he is without doubt an anti-racist. It is patently obvious that (naively) he didn't make a connection between the chimp and a mixed race person, because he was making an entirely unconnected point, and he was clearly mortified when the connotation was pointed out. Best of luck Danny, from a fellow devout anti-racist. It's sheep we're up against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted May 11, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 9 hours ago, City Rocker said: Haven't read the thread, sorry. Just want to say though, with the benefit of 40+ years reading Danny Baker's missives in the media and listening to his musings on radio and tv, he is without doubt an anti-racist. It is patently obvious that (naively) he didn't make a connection between the chimp and a mixed race person, because he was making an entirely unconnected point, and he was clearly mortified when the connotation was pointed out. Best of luck Danny, from a fellow devout anti-racist. It's sheep we're up against. One like isn’t enough for this, I too have read and listened to Danny for many years, I love his meandering, irreverent style, not every bit of his humour strikes home with me, but plenty does. I don’t think I have ever heard any hate for anyone, he certainly has history for lampooning the monarchy and upper echelons of society, but with no malicious intent. Saturday mornings won’t be the same now, I just hope R5 don’t succumb to filling his airtime with some ultra safe, MOR nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 On 09/05/2019 at 13:20, CyderInACan said: I always preferred Cheryl Baker anyway Sexist. 1 hour ago, Maesknoll Red said: One like isn’t enough for this, I too have read and listened to Danny for many years, I love his meandering, irreverent style, not every bit of his humour strikes home with me, but plenty does. I don’t think I have ever heard any hate for anyone, he certainly has history for lampooning the monarchy and upper echelons of society, but with no malicious intent. Saturday mornings won’t be the same now, I just hope R5 don’t succumb to filling his airtime with some ultra safe, MOR nonsense. They will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 Some people give him the benefit of doubt Some people have no doubt his apology is genuine Some people are happy to see successful people come unstuck so will pretend to think he meant it to increase the uproar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 2 hours ago, RedDave said: Some people give him the benefit of doubt Some people have no doubt his apology is genuine Some people are happy to see successful people come unstuck so will pretend to think he meant it to increase the uproar. Certainly with twitter and other social media, some are able to be rational and many (majority?) aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, mozo said: Certainly with twitter and other social media, some are able to be rational and many (majority?) aren't. Should be renamed Twitter, but with an "a"...damn you, swear filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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