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On trial at Derry & OOC here in Dec. Immense talent but could never stay fit. Shame but with the emergence of Bakinson, Evans & Morton looks like the Bedminster born lad will move on to pastures new. Good luck to him. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:

Sadly the lad prefers scraps in pryzm than wanting to seriously play for Bristol city, enormous shame for a lad with his talent but there we go 

Doubt it, I bet you if offered him the choice of a scrap or playing for City, he'd choose playing for City. 

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1 hour ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:

Sadly the lad prefers scraps in pryzm than wanting to seriously play for Bristol city, enormous shame for a lad with his talent but there we go 

If true that is a shame. Maybe a move away from bad influences might help him a la Ellis Genge 

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Glad he is staying in football. Lad rejected the top four to stay here and is probably the only true city fan to have played for us recently. 

 

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28 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

If true that is a shame. Maybe a move away from bad influences might help him a la Ellis Genge 

Yeah don’t want to spread any false information about the lad, someone who used to be a mate of mine was put in hospital cause he was involved in a fight George started scrapping gas heads in a club. And that’s the not the first time it’s happened 

Hopefully the move works out for him cause you can’t be doing that and be serious about making it at anywhere near a high level in the modern game 

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57 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

If true that is a shame. Maybe a move away from bad influences might help him a la Ellis Genge 

Can’t see Ellis being much Kop in our midfield 👀

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did a great job for Weston when he joined a couple of years ago with mccoulsky. remember the win at Bath City. both were great that day. 

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If this is true, why do premiership teams seem to get their talent on the straight and narrow yet we seem to have a few who like the scraps in town?

Maybe more education or support needed?

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He signed at the same time as Lloyd Kelly and was seen as the better prospect.  Given a debut earlier.  Just goes to show it's 90% attitude and 10% talent..

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26 minutes ago, Judda said:

If this is true, why do premiership teams seem to get their talent on the straight and narrow yet we seem to have a few who like the scraps in town?

Maybe more education or support needed?

I guess it’s a machismo effect. Being a big prospect at a prem club is quite a mind focussing thing. With all due, thinking I might make it with a team challenging for championship play offs is different to being in the academy in the PL. 

 Imagine seeing Sergio Aguero turn up to training and aspiring to replace him over Fammy. You know it’s not going to happen  most of the time in the case of a Man City scholar but you see a Patrick Bamford; at Bristol city you see a Marvin Brown. From the prem is a steadier decline  

And we can’t forget Cat1 academies can poach the best players  

I know some people say you need natural ability, I don’t really believe that. You absolutely need the right dna in terms of hitting the right body composition and I think Prem Scouts spot this better. 

I’d say 90% of the rest of football can be learned. It’s fundamentally hard work and muscle memory for physical attributes, and if you’re a true student of the game you will begin to read the game better and develop those other wider attributes.

I’d like to think if I had the DNA and application I’d watch Iniesta or Scholes for hours on end. When does he look, how does he position to receive the ball, how did he move it on. Etc. 

I think it’s all the dreaded ‘DNA’ and motivation. Many who had the natural body composition will believe their own hype and forget to be students. The ones who really want it will be last off the training pitch and Saturday then (nowadays) watching YouTube videos at home. 

I don’t blame George one bit by the way. You’re 20 once. Do you want to spend it in peak physical condition being told what to eat, when, being pushed to your limits; or do you want to get pissed in Pryzm with the mates you grew up with who all seem happy to go out, get drunk and brag in the whatsapp how hungover they are. 

We all think it’s an easy decision. It isn’t. I really don’t think it is. Footballers, to make it Championship and beyond; they really, really are dedicating much more than any of us imagine.  It’s all consuming to get to that level.  

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13 hours ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:

Yeah don’t want to spread any false information about the lad, someone who used to be a mate of mine was put in hospital cause he was involved in a fight George started scrapping gas heads in a club. And that’s the not the first time it’s happened 

Hopefully the move works out for him cause you can’t be doing that and be serious about making it at anywhere near a high level in the modern game 

You are way off the mark regarding altercations, where you got your info from are talking bullocks. So you are spreading false info.

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13 hours ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:

Yeah don’t want to spread any false information about the lad, someone who used to be a mate of mine was put in hospital cause he was involved in a fight George started scrapping gas heads in a club. And that’s the not the first time it’s happened 

Hopefully the move works out for him cause you can’t be doing that and be serious about making it at anywhere near a high level in the modern game 

You missed this key bit out in your first post. Top work George. 

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1 hour ago, 29AR said:

I guess it’s a machismo effect. Being a big prospect at a prem club is quite a mind focussing thing. With all due, thinking I might make it with a team challenging for championship play offs is different to being in the academy in the PL. 

 Imagine seeing Sergio Aguero turn up to training and aspiring to replace him over Fammy. You know it’s not going to happen  most of the time in the case of a Man City scholar but you see a Patrick Bamford; at Bristol city you see a Marvin Brown. From the prem is a steadier decline  

And we can’t forget Cat1 academies can poach the best players  

I know some people say you need natural ability, I don’t really believe that. You absolutely need the right dna in terms of hitting the right body composition and I think Prem Scouts spot this better. 

I’d say 90% of the rest of football can be learned. It’s fundamentally hard work and muscle memory for physical attributes, and if you’re a true student of the game you will begin to read the game better and develop those other wider attributes.

I’d like to think if I had the DNA and application I’d watch Iniesta or Scholes for hours on end. When does he look, how does he position to receive the ball, how did he move it on. Etc. 

I think it’s all the dreaded ‘DNA’ and motivation. Many who had the natural body composition will believe their own hype and forget to be students. The ones who really want it will be last off the training pitch and Saturday then (nowadays) watching YouTube videos at home. 

I don’t blame George one bit by the way. You’re 20 once. Do you want to spend it in peak physical condition being told what to eat, when, being pushed to your limits; or do you want to get pissed in Pryzm with the mates you grew up with who all seem happy to go out, get drunk and brag in the whatsapp how hungover they are. 

We all think it’s an easy decision. It isn’t. I really don’t think it is. Footballers, to make it Championship and beyond; they really, really are dedicating much more than any of us imagine.  It’s all consuming to get to that level.  

True dat.

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4 hours ago, Greatgraham said:

You are way off the mark regarding altercations, where you got your info from are talking bullocks. So you are spreading false info.

Nah I’m not talking shit, I would hate to be spreading bollocks about a Bristolian academy prospect, will PM 

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7 hours ago, The Bard said:

He signed at the same time as Lloyd Kelly and was seen as the better prospect.  Given a debut earlier.  Just goes to show it's 90% attitude and 10% talent..

I think 90% to 100% of both is more like whats needed !

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7 hours ago, Judda said:

If this is true, why do premiership teams seem to get their talent on the straight and narrow yet we seem to have a few who like the scraps in town?

Maybe more education or support needed?

Think this is a load of rubbish, it's not like our youth are running riot. 

Man u had one of the brightest prospects in the country in ravell Morrison and couldn't get him to settle down, I wouldn't then say United have an issue.

 

In life you get good and bad and sometimes clubs will not be able to control how a player goes 

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No idea about the off-field Dowling, but spare a thought for what a fantastically talented kid might be going through when he’s suffered injuries that keep knocking him back.

Its far too easy to say wrong dna, or things like prefers the nightclubs to the football clubs, but there’s always a different angle.

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Dowling was playing right back in pre season for us, which I found a bit strange. Struggled there against Shrewsbury.

If a player keeps having months out through injury in those years of development, then it really is tough.

We have some very exciting central midfielders coming through, and I am only talking about the ones closer to the first team. There are probably some in the younger age groups coming through too that we will hear of in the next year or so.

Morrell, Bakinson, Lemonheigh-Evans, Morton. Very good potential there. And I have heard great things of Ryley Towler in our 18s. Part of the side that beat Juventus the other day. Zac Smith I think is the player that plays alongside him.

Would be good to actually be able to see these kids play on the website! Really don't get it, it still only shows highlights from about 2 years ago!

 

 

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11 hours ago, The Bard said:

He signed at the same time as Lloyd Kelly and was seen as the better prospect.  Given a debut earlier.  Just goes to show it's 90% attitude and 10% talent..

I don’t think that’s quite it...

 

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12 hours ago, The Bard said:

He signed at the same time as Lloyd Kelly and was seen as the better prospect.  Given a debut earlier.  Just goes to show it's 90% attitude and 10% talent..

I really do not understand this increasingly prevalent narrative that Lloyd Kelly does not have that much natural talent. In terms of raw talent, he is easily one of the best youth players that we have ever produced. He's had a little slump (inevitable at this age and when played as much as he was) but now people think he's automatically crap, lazy, and entitled. 

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15 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said:

I really do not understand this increasingly prevalent narrative that Lloyd Kelly does not have that much natural talent. In terms of raw talent, he is easily one of the best youth players that we have ever produced. He's had a little slump (inevitable at this age and when played as much as he was) but now people think he's automatically crap, lazy, and entitled. 

He was an England U20 having hardly kicked a ball for the first team. He is now an U21 and has trained with the first team squad. He is young and learning so is nowhere near achieving his potential yet.

So England's coaches are impressed but apparently some of our fans aren't. Who should I believe? 🤔

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Can hardly blame the lad can you really..... If I was being goaded by some pished up gas whilst trying to enjoy an evening out in a s*it nightclub, I'd take great delight in walloping a few of them also... 

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13 hours ago, Judda said:

If this is true, why do premiership teams seem to get their talent on the straight and narrow yet we seem to have a few who like the scraps in town?

Maybe more education or support needed?

How do you know they do? You don’t expect to hear about Premier League youth who get released for bad attitude do you? 

Nobody in the public would have a clue. 

 

1 hour ago, Newquay-Red said:

I really do not understand this increasingly prevalent narrative that Lloyd Kelly does not have that much natural talent. In terms of raw talent, he is easily one of the best youth players that we have ever produced. He's had a little slump (inevitable at this age and when played as much as he was) but now people think he's automatically crap, lazy, and entitled. 

Put it down to people not knowing what they are talking about

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3 hours ago, Newquay-Red said:

I really do not understand this increasingly prevalent narrative that Lloyd Kelly does not have that much natural talent. In terms of raw talent, he is easily one of the best youth players that we have ever produced. He's had a little slump (inevitable at this age and when played as much as he was) but now people think he's automatically crap, lazy, and entitled. 

 

2 hours ago, chinapig said:

He was an England U20 having hardly kicked a ball for the first team. He is now an U21 and has trained with the first team squad. He is young and learning so is nowhere near achieving his potential yet.

So England's coaches are impressed but apparently some of our fans aren't. Who should I believe? 🤔

Eddie Howe?

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15 hours ago, Judda said:

If this is true, why do premiership teams seem to get their talent on the straight and narrow yet we seem to have a few who like the scraps in town?

Maybe more education or support needed?

Prem teams have more than their fair share that go astray you just won’t never hear about them just like if you pick any fans from a random club in in the league 1 wouldn’t have probably heard of of George Dowling!

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Talent not always a pathway to the first team . Need a bit of luck with form and injuries and a club with a good track record for promotion from the youth and a manager that believes in you . Hope if it’s not with us he stays in the pro game

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On 17/05/2019 at 08:40, redcherryberry said:

On trial at Derry & OOC here in Dec. Immense talent but could never stay fit. Shame but with the emergence of Bakinson, Evans & Morton looks like the Bedminster born lad will move on to pastures new. Good luck to him. 

Dowling has been offered an extension at Ashton Gate - https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/maeenpaeae-to-remain-in-bs3/

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48 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

A way of getting compensation if he’s under 24 ? 

Or maybe we haven't given up on a bright prospect...

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7 hours ago, Judda said:

Or maybe we haven't given up on a bright prospect...

He’s been having a trial in Ireland which suggests he’s  looking to leave 

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CM in league of Ireland or potentially trying to make it as a RB in the champ. Surely that's a no brainer. Danny rose much better full back than midfielder, Kieran Richardson likewise. I'm sure there are many others too.

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2 hours ago, The hand of RO'D said:

He's looking to leave because LJ wants to move him from CM to RB. 

 

35 minutes ago, JamboBCFC said:

CM in league of Ireland or potentially trying to make it as a RB in the champ. Surely that's a no brainer. Danny rose much better full back than midfielder, Kieran Richardson likewise. I'm sure there are many others too.

It’s common across Europe to play players in many positions for their development. Imagine if you had the best right back in the club and you didn’t realise because he has been playing midfield. Bradley Orr is a good example. 

Is ir really any different to playing budding centre halves at fullback?

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23 hours ago, The hand of RO'D said:

He's looking to leave because LJ wants to move him from CM to RB. 

Hes not looking to leave. Hes looking to get games during the close season after being injured for 4 months. 

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39 minutes ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

Hes not looking to leave. Hes looking to get games during the close season after being injured for 4 months. 

Having a trial at derry would indicate he doesn't wanna stay

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5 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

Having a trial at derry would indicate he doesn't wanna stay

He’s trying to regain full fitness and needs competitive games at a level he’ll be comfortable at. It’s very probable that the club have arranged the trial for him and that it’s not his decision.

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51 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

Having a trial at derry would indicate he doesn't wanna stay

There are trials for loans. Quite sure Bakinson was a trial at Newport. Holden was signed on loan after a trial with Rochdale. Can’t forget these are unknowns across the football league so trials are sometimes the only way to get a player loaned out. 

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43 minutes ago, Robbored said:

He’s trying to regain full fitness and needs competitive games at a level he’ll be comfortable at. It’s very probable that the club have arranged the trial for him and that it’s not his decision.

Do you understand how a trial works? Why would a club that are looking to tie him down to a contract be willing to let him have a trial at another club? Where's the logic. 

He doesn't want to play RB and won't sign if that's where LJ sees his future. 

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1 minute ago, The hand of RO'D said:

Do you understand how a trial works? Why would a club that are looking to tie him down to a contract be willing to let him have a trial at another club? Where's the logic. 

He doesn't want to play RB and won't sign if that's where LJ sees his future. 

My take is that the trial at Derry is to establish how fit Dowling is. If he can show that he’s fully recovered then Derry will take him on loan.

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6 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

Do you understand how a trial works? Why would a club that are looking to tie him down to a contract be willing to let him have a trial at another club? Where's the logic. 

He doesn't want to play RB and won't sign if that's where LJ sees his future. 

You know Derry are still playing in the league throughout June & July?

Unless Derry have scouts at English non-league games they won’t know what Dowling  is like. 

This way they can see him in training, and if they like what they see they can get him on loan. Then he gets some games under his belt, Derry get a cracking kid on loan and City get him back with fitness. Win win. 

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He’s been offered league loans before but chose non-league in order to stay around the first team. 

All this talk about his DNA, fwiw I know that the kid didn’t even drink alcohol when he was first breaking into the first team squad. 

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1 hour ago, The hand of RO'D said:

Do you understand how a trial works? Why would a club that are looking to tie him down to a contract be willing to let him have a trial at another club? Where's the logic. 

He doesn't want to play RB and won't sign if that's where LJ sees his future. 

Then , effectively , he can Foxtrot Oscar. There is only one person who decides who plays where and how in a team and it ain’t some kid with next to no experience of first team football.

England U21 International Kelly is a centre back but played at LB. 

Australian International Bailey Wright is a centre back but played at RB .

Austrian International Weimann was signed as a centre forward but finished the season in midfield.

Bobby Reid was a midfielder but asked to play as a forward.

This list is far from exhaustive .

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On 17/05/2019 at 23:09, Judda said:

If this is true, why do premiership teams seem to get their talent on the straight and narrow yet we seem to have a few who like the scraps in town?

Maybe more education or support needed?

Not sure that's entirely fair Even Fergie couldn't get Ravel Morrison on the right track .

I reckon local lads are possibly more prone to distraction as they are more likely to hang out with the lads they grew up with and that isn't always a wise thing for a professional footballer.

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2 hours ago, Loon plage said:

Not sure that's entirely fair Even Fergie couldn't get Ravel Morrison on the right track .

I reckon local lads are possibly more prone to distraction as they are more likely to hang out with the lads they grew up with and that isn't always a wise thing for a professional footballer.

True. All your best pals out on the piss... hard to say no!

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