BS4 on Tour... Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 11 hours ago, Judda said: Met Joe Jordan on the weekend. He was down the Gate so maybe it's already happening... ? Or more likely just because he was guest speaker at Ashton girls/boys presentation day... cracking event! He came accross very well and still clearly has a bit of love for City. I was told Louis Carey was the guest of honour at that evening - were they both there? Cracking duo if so ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 If we go down this route - Neil Warnock or Joe Jordan please - but only one would even be considered, and it wouldn’t be the one with eight promotions on his cv ....! Just joshing, thought I’d point that out before the hilarious ones who call him ‘Colin’ jump in .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 12 hours ago, reddogkev said: To help LJ and the coaching staff fight for promotion? This could be the missing link. I'd go for Chris Hughton, or push the boat out and get someone else on a higher salary with top experience. Does FFP restrict the amount of wages SL could offer to a non-playing member of staff? It's time to show serious intent to reach the Premier League, and as much as I love LJ, I have doubts that his efforts, coupled with the relatively inexperienced duo of Holden and Macillister, are up for the challenge of promotion. There are clearly negatives and positives to such an idea, but overall, if the right man came in and LJ was in 100% agreement, it could be just what the club needs. I think that this window will show just why City don’t need a DoF. The scouting network is excellent. All the senior staff at AG have different contacts throughout the football industry and it’s been working well enough without a DoF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 Could be a good shout, would end the selections of favourites ahead of ability, unfortunately this is the area where LJ lets us down, we also need to be a bit more savi with formation, love Fammy to bits but he is not the 9 that can deal with the lump it forward play, unfair to him and us, needs support and the players that should be that support are the current 20 and 10 and neither of them are good enough, a DOF would have directed a size 10 at LJ’s rear end and sorted it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 The most pertinent point in the OP was at the end ‘if...LJ is in 100% agreement. A DOF can only ever work with the full backing of the manager, otherwise it’s a disruptive situation. Personally I don’t like them, and with the structure we currently have at City I don’t think we either need or want such a position. We’ve had 5 years of improvement so leave well alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 11 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: I think the last bit is a key point. We know LJ and BT are ensuring all teams from the young kids up are playing with the same style and philosophy Teams from the kids to U teams to the XI don't play with the same style. It's hard to judge what the clubs philosophy is unless it was available for fans to read - coaching and playing philosophy differs through age and play related phases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Cowshed said: Teams from the kids to U teams to the XI don't play with the same style. It's hard to judge what the clubs philosophy is unless it was available for fans to read - coaching and playing philosophy differs through age and play related phases. I was going off what LJ says toward to end of this article. I have no doubt the youth teams do not play the exact same way but there is an attempt to embed an approach and a type of football from at least the under twelves up, which is a similar approach Cruyuff took when he transformed Barcelona, although I fear we may not see the exact same results. https://www.coachesvoice.com/lee-johnson-bristol-city-oldham-athletic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 22 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: I agree Jordan would be a great addition to the coaching staff and would definitely be someone to look at if LJ and his team wanted someone with more experience and a connection to the club. I suppose the issue for me is we are talking about three very different roles. Football management is about winning games, getting the right player for this season and getting a tactical edge on the pitch. A Director of Football is about the long-term strategy and identify of the club, identifying a long-term plan that ensures the club still has good talent coming through in fifteen years and planning ahead. And a coach is someone who can work with people on a one-to-one basis. They are three very different roles needing very different skills. You can be great at coaching an individual but terrible at managing a team. You can be great at managing a team but terrible at overseeing a long-term strategy. And you can be great at the long-term stuff but not have a clue how to coach someone on a football pitch. Far too often people seem to think someone who is good at coaching can do the manager role or someone good at the manager role can do the DoF role. And the DoF role in particular tends to present it some sort of compromise because they sort of want a more experienced manager and sort of want the one they have. But it isn't a matter of experience but personal attributes. If we wanted a Director of Football, the club should identify the skills they want and try to find someone who matches those skills. It just frustrates me when people say "we should appoint x as a Director of Football because they are a good manager" without recognising completely different skills are involved. Appreciate your comments, that was a good read. Clear that you have a better understanding of the DOF role than I do, that's for sure! My main point is that another member of staff to assist with all aspects of football management, surely has to be a good move forward for the club, as I'd have to presume it would lower some of the work load on the shoulders of Lee and the coaches. If I was SL, I would 100% employ another person to help share the burden of tasks, including assisting with the scouting of untapped continental talent For what it's worth, I can't see the club going down this path, but for me, it would be a smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: I was going off what LJ says toward to end of this article. I have no doubt the youth teams do not play the exact same way but there is an attempt to embed an approach and a type of football from at least the under twelves up, which is a similar approach Cruyuff took when he transformed Barcelona, although I fear we may not see the exact same results. https://www.coachesvoice.com/lee-johnson-bristol-city-oldham-athletic/ Bristol City share similarities with many clubs in approach because modern approaches adopt similar methodologies. Barca is not a great comparison. Their philosophy and principles of play, it's models are part of the club and are existing long terms. We will be guessing how Mr Johnson will approach next season ... It's quite different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Robbored said: I think that this window will show just why City don’t need a DoF. The scouting network is excellent. All the senior staff at AG have different contacts throughout the football industry and it’s been working well enough without a DoF. I think it could still do with improvement personally. Not a criticism but consistent improvement in all areas should be- I'm sure is- but definitely should be an aim. To take one example, why do we not have a dedicated foreign scout for example- i.e. someone with experience of European football, experience, knowledge and contacts therein. Mathieu Louis Jean was one- helped us with Kodja I believe and he left in 2016 and still unreplaced- think we are limiting ourselves unnecessarily here. Mervyn Day overseeing the whole thing- well fair enough he knows the English game, but stats aside how much does he know about overseas market e.g.? It seems like a bit of a work in progress and that infrastructure etc all being fast-tracked somewhat as we are and have been playing catchup but Scouting and Recruitment is definitely an area that needs some work I feel- it's alright and at times very good but we need to be upgrading the poor to so-so and the alright to very good more often IMO. A wider range of staff with expertise in different areas would surely help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 23 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: What is the role of a director of football? To be an additional whipping boy ( alongside LJ, MA and SL) for OTIB when things go pear shaped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 If finances dictated that we could either afford a director of football or that 20 goal a season striker, which option would fans then chose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 40 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I think it could still do with improvement personally. Not a criticism but consistent improvement in all areas should be- I'm sure is- but definitely should be an aim. To take one example, why do we not have a dedicated foreign scout for example- i.e. someone with experience of European football, experience, knowledge and contacts therein. Mathieu Louis Jean was one- helped us with Kodja I believe and he left in 2016 and still unreplaced- think we are limiting ourselves unnecessarily here. Mervyn Day overseeing the whole thing- well fair enough he knows the English game, but stats aside how much does he know about overseas market e.g.? It seems like a bit of a work in progress and that infrastructure etc all being fast-tracked somewhat as we are and have been playing catchup but Scouting and Recruitment is definitely an area that needs some work I feel- it's alright and at times very good but we need to be upgrading the poor to so-so and the alright to very good more often IMO. A wider range of staff with expertise in different areas would surely help. Mervyn Day has a good knowledge of International football. He's been doing it a long time, formerly head of Recruitment at West Brom, Brighton and Leeds. I understand they are looking still to recruit a head International scout and interviews have taken place, but still not published whether they have decided on one yet. Applications were closed for the advertised job quite a while back. My gut is that they have approached people, as who applied weren't considered what we wanted. Hence it taking longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, downendcity said: If finances dictated that we could either afford a director of football or that 20 goal a season striker, which option would fans then chose? I can't imagine their respective salaries would be remotely comparable to be honest but of course fans would choose a striker. If however that striker signed specifically because of the DoF we had in place then there might be room for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 14 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I was told Louis Carey was the guest of honour at that evening - were they both there? Cracking duo if so ... Carey was evening and Joe did the afternoon... Great choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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