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Eastside Moonwalker

Lee Johnson Contract Talks EDIT : New 4 Year Deal Signed

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Gives the players continuity and reassurance also as well as any potential new signings - stable club with stable management 

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45 minutes ago, INCRED said:

Gives the players continuity and reassurance also as well as any potential new signings - stable club with stable management 

We should be alright for the Derby then . 

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2 hours ago, hodge said:

Have to say I'm doing a robbored on this one, waiting for it to be announced by the club given the latest we heard a couple of days ago from LJ. Could easily just be media sources trying to put out an 'exclusive' after hearing LJ will be discussing a new contract.

Agreed.

It's totally possible that they have it all agreed, even signed up, but want to announce Lam's contract today and Johnson's tomorrow (or Friday, or next week, or whenever they like), simply so that there is a big news story on each day. I am not worried in the slightest that Johnson won't be getting a new contract so just wait patiently for the club to announce it.

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18 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

Agreed.

It's totally possible that they have it all agreed, even signed up, but want to announce Lam's contract today and Johnson's tomorrow (or Friday, or next week, or whenever they like), simply so that there is a big news story on each day. I am not worried in the slightest that Johnson won't be getting a new contract so just wait patiently for the club to announce it.

Who is Lam?

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Can’t wait for people to moan in the season when we lose a few games why he was given such a long term deal 🙄

 

In all seriousness, I don’t think LJ has the merit to deserve a long term deal yet. 

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Hopefully its used as a signal to players we target that LJ intends to be here for a long time to help convince them to join.

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So we have both Pat Lam and Lee Johnson both getting four year deals within days of eachother, certainly the club is looking to the future. It does make me wish I had a crystal ball though and see where they both are, and more importantly how the teams are doing in four years time.

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21 hours ago, elhombrecito said:

What possible reason would he have to keep Johnson if he wasn't doing well?

The reason he hasn't been sacked, and by all accounts is getting a new contract, is because he's doing a very good job.

He kept him when he wasn't doing well before didn't he.

And to his credit he has been proven right although I don't think his decision was based on footballing grounds.

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2 minutes ago, RedM said:

So we have both Pat Lam and Lee Johnson both getting four year deals within days of eachother, certainly the club is looking to the future. It does make me wish I had a crystal ball though and see where they both are, and more importantly how the teams are doing in four years time.

In terms of stature in their respective sports they are light years apart.

I can see Pat Lam managing a national side or Bristol in a European cup final in 4 years time.

Regardless of that, it's a clear statement from SL that he is satisfied he has the best men for the job and are decisive bits of business early doors.

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I'm not debating the merits of a new contract but I can say with certainty that I've never wanted a Bristol City manager to see succeed more than I want Lee Johnson to make that breakthrough. The one thing I've never disputed is that he clearly wants to take our club to the next level.

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2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Assume it's improved terms on his previous £500k p.a. contract. Nice work if you can get it  💁‍♂️

Personally, it's reasonable for the manager of a club in the top 30 clubs in England to be on a £500k+ a year contract. There are a significant number of players at the club who are on more than that and are a lot less in the firing line than Johnson. 

Similarly, if he is in the top 30 managers in the country it's not that mental for him to be on a large sum. If you're one of the top 30 lawyers, bankers, artists, musicians, CEOs you'll be on a lot more. At the previous accountancy firm I used to work at there was probably 150-200 people earning over £500k. Like you said, nice work if you can get it but he's not the only one in the country on that sum. 

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Great news and done early. 

Hoping this means everyone is on the same page for this transfer window. Send a good message to potential targets that the guy signing you has that security himself

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27 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Assume it's improved terms on his previous £500k p.a. contract. Nice work if you can get it  💁‍♂️

Maybe, but in the environment he is in it's not an excessive amount. He also seems to be someone who works hard for it in terms of hours he puts in looking at all aspects of his role. I certainly don't begrudge him a great salary. 

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31 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Assume it's improved terms on his previous £500k p.a. contract. Nice work if you can get it  💁‍♂️

Is that a lot for a manager of a decent Championship team?

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45 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

He kept him when he wasn't doing well before didn't he.

And to his credit he has been proven right although I don't think his decision was based on footballing grounds.

Not for prolonged period of time though. He's certainly gone through bad spells but overall he's progressing us. 

I think it's pretty obvious that if he was to go through a long period where results weren't very good, he'd be sacked. 

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Pinning down a valuable asset very wise. Will be an interesting few weeks as to sign a new contract Steve’s ambitions must match Lee’s.

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I would've loved to be a fly on the wall during those contract negotiations.

LJ has talked a big game about wanting to strengthen the squad this season, and I can only assume that a big part of committing himself to the club is the promise that he will be backed with funds.

Admittedly, I thought LJ was a poor choice for head coach when he first signed. IMO, it was (and still kinda is) a return to the "Five Pillars" approach, but he's worked minor miracles to get us where we finished this season, either along with or in spite of our ownership. He's established himself as a Championship quality manager, and if he were to leave right now I could see himself definitely landing another job at this level.

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6 minutes ago, DaveF said:

Is that a lot for a manager of a decent Championship team?

Put it this way, Pulis commands a fee of £900k per year before bonuses.

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56 minutes ago, RedM said:

So we have both Pat Lam and Lee Johnson both getting four year deals within days of eachother, certainly the club is looking to the future. It does make me wish I had a crystal ball though and see where they both are, and more importantly how the teams are doing in four years time.

The rugby club will be competing to be champions of both england and europe. City wont. Although I wouldnt be surprised If we had been promoted by then. 

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48 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Assume it's improved terms on his previous £500k p.a. contract. Nice work if you can get it  💁‍♂️

All managers will be on more than the highest paid players.

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43 minutes ago, Coppello said:

Personally, it's reasonable for the manager of a club in the top 30 clubs in England to be on a £500k+ a year contract. There are a significant number of players at the club who are on more than that and are a lot less in the firing line than Johnson. 

Similarly, if he is in the top 30 managers in the country it's not that mental for him to be on a large sum. If you're one of the top 30 lawyers, bankers, artists, musicians, CEOs you'll be on a lot more. At the previous accountancy firm I used to work at there was probably 150-200 people earning over £500k. Like you said, nice work if you can get it but he's not the only one in the country on that sum. 

I don't disagree, just pointing out that it is a very tidy sum of money he'll be on...

1 minute ago, Robbored said:

All managers will be on more than the highest paid players.

LJ is on about half of what our top earning player is on.

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

All managers will be on more than the highest paid players.

No they won’t?

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5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

All managers will be on more than the highest paid players.

****BREAKING NEWS ****

Robbored spouts bollocks shocker!!

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20 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

Not for prolonged period of time though. He's certainly gone through bad spells but overall he's progressing us. 

I think it's pretty obvious that if he was to go through a long period where results weren't very good, he'd be sacked. 

Not sure he would sack LJ to be honest. He very nearly took us down and I still think hed have been kept on to get us back up again.

The relationship goes way beyond a simple owner/manager one.

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13 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I don't disagree, just pointing out that it is a very tidy sum of money he'll be on...

LJ is on about half of what our top earning player is on.

You know that?

Ferguson at Man United was on more than the highest paid players. He reckoned that as the manager he had to be the highest paid employee.

To not to be would have put him a weak position when dealing with the players. To him it was essential. I’m sure that applies throughout the PL and Championship and probably in the lower leagues as well.

Are you on more money than your  boss?

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3 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Not sure he would sack LJ to be honest. He very nearly took us down and I still think hed have been kept on to get us back up again.

The relationship goes way beyond a simple owner/manager one.

Johnson came very close to being sacked already.

Pretty sure he would have gone had we been relegated.

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6 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Johnson came very close to being sacked already.

Pretty sure he would have gone had we been relegated.

Yes he would have been - SL said as much not long after City climbed to safety

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3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

You know that?

Ferguson at Man United was on more than the highest paid players. He reckoned that as the manager he had to be the highest paid employee.

To not to be would have put him a weak position when dealing with the players. To him it was essential. I’m sure that applies throughout the PL and Championship and probably in the lower leagues as well.

Yeah, he's completely correct. 

Football has changed a lot since those days and Ferguson may be a rare example. Think about it logically, football now has a sacking culture and, when this occurs, you have to pay up the remainder of their contract. Solskjaer has recently signed a three year deal and is managing Alexis Sanchez who is on a rumoured £275k a week. If United were to have Ole at the wheel for the full contracted period he would earn £42.9m based on your logic. Clubs would never be able to afford to sack their manager. 

Sadly, player power is stronger than ever and I can't see the distribution of wages changing any time soon.  

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16 minutes ago, eastonboy said:

****BREAKING NEWS ****

Robbored spouts bollocks shocker!!

Do you earn more than your boss?      :dunno:

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10 minutes ago, Robbored said:

You know that?

Our top earner is on a basic of £17k pw and LJ's last contract was £500k p.a.

You do the maaaaaath, as they'd say over the pond.

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15 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

The rugby club will be competing to be champions of both england and europe. City wont. Although I wouldnt be surprised If we had been promoted by then. 

I would be surprised if we are promoted in next four years. But that is for many reasons and not solely based on my opinion of Johnson.

The major change in club philosophy is that we INTEND to win promotion rather than we HOPE TO.

I fully understand how FFP impacts on our ambitions and that it is highly unlikely that we would knowingly break the rules and hope to get away with it, unlike some other clubs. So we aren't going to buy our way up like some clubs.

I'm pleased that Lansdown has given a very good degree of security for both Lam and Johnson, but one has produced a much greater degree of consistency with results and improved team performance while the other, in my opinion, has not.

If LJ can go a season without Boom & Bust results, provide us with a decent home record, then I may be able to feel more comfortable about him.

I now await with interest, how good our transfer dealings are, both in and out.

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24 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

I believe Bielsa is on £6m per year... 

Exactly great he has signed but also shows that are overall wage structure may have not changed and that no big signing on massive wages will be made hence why we are looking at lower leauge signings.... 

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

Do you earn more than your boss?      :dunno:

According to The Sun (I know) last season only 3 managers in the prem earned more than their clubs highest paid player 🤷‍♂️

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3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Our top earner is on a basic of £17k pw and LJ's last contract was £500k p.a.

You do the maaaaaath, as they'd say over the pond.

I’ll ask again. Do you earn more than your boss?

1 minute ago, DaveF said:

According to The Sun (I know) last season only 3 managers in the prem earned more than their clubs highest paid player 🤷‍♂️

Not an exactly reliable source.

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

I’ll ask again. Do you earn more than your boss?

Not an exactly reliable source.

Probably a more reliable source than you though?

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1 minute ago, DaveF said:

Probably a more reliable source than you though?

Ha! 

Any boss on a smaller wedge than his employees leaves them open to being undermined. 

eg : ‘“you can’t tell me what to do because I earn more than you and that makes me more important than you “.  :cool2:

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6 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I’ll ask again. Do you earn more than your boss?

Not an exactly reliable source.

You want the os to have a banner headline saying 'HEAD COACH NOT HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEE' ... ? If true LJ was on £500,000 a year then he won't be the highest paid.

1 minute ago, Robbored said:

Ha! 

Any boss on a smaller wedge than his employees leaves them open to being undermined. 

eg : ‘“you can’t tell me what to do because I earn more than you and that makes me more important than you “.  :cool2:

Bit of a different dynamic as part of a football club though

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