Fpcity Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 This time next year he'll have moved on for 5m with how well Peterborough do with strikers Hopefully have a good sell on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 46 minutes ago, Gazred said: Spotted this on the P'Boro site from Darren Ferguson, didn't have to say it so nice to hear. “I want to thank Lee Johnson and everyone at Bristol City because this has been going on for a little while and they have conducted themselves superbly throughout the process. ...since last summer Think Lincoln we’re in for Mo too, so Peterborough will be glad to get their man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 28 minutes ago, old_eastender said: Hope Weimann is warming the bench most of the time, for all his running he ain't nowhere near being a "real top striker", never has been or will be. You are talking shite one of our best players last season who rarely got a chance to lead the line but when he did he scored or assisted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 So we signed Mo for an estimated 800k, he appeared 5 times. We have now sold him for somewhere in the region of 1mil - possibly more with add-ons. (Assuming that the posts on this thread are accurate) That's two thirds of a Tilson profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, JBFC II said: He adds so much more to our game than just running. He's a good finisher with brilliant movement and has plenty of experience. Personally I'd be more than happy to see him starting for us next season You're right he does have the qualities you describe. However, what we need - and the point the post you replied to was making - is that what we need is "a real top striker". None of the strikers currently at the club fit that bill - fingers crossed we sign one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambodinho Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 It’s mad how football has changed in such a short amount of time. The turnover of inept players in the last few years is incredible. So many have come and gone in such a short period. Previously managers were judged and ultimately sacked based on the success of their signings. Now we seem to be fine with taking gambles that tally up into the millions. It has coincided with LJ’s appointment but I’m not really sure if it’s down to his relationship with Steve Lansdown that he’s been given this freedom or whether this is the way we are going to go about are business going forward even after Johnson leaves the club. The club certainly never used to make the amount of signings we do now or gambles on young players. Managers certainly couldn’t spend money on players for the future like we do now. It makes you wonder if the money we’d spent on the likes of Engvall, Djuric, O’Neil, Watkins, Adelukan, Hegeler, Moore, Magnússon etc could have gone on 1 or 2 real quality signings, and not on gambles. It’s a shame sky money has ruined football really as prem teams can’t get an average player for £20m these days and there’s been a knock on effect down throughout the leagues. Engvall was our club record signing at the time. If you break your record to sign a striker 10-15 years ago he was being handed the number 9 shirt and was starting every game. Now we are spunking millions on players that aren’t anywhere near first team ready. Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born and Red in 82 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 Sad to see him go...City Legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 Good bit of business by the club, well done to Ashton, recouped the fee and a bit profit too. Good luck to Mo, shame it didn't work out but he is in good hands at P'boro who will really push top end league 1 next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, jambodinho said: Engvall was our club record signing at the time. Wait, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: You're right he does have the qualities you describe. However, what we need - and the point the post you replied to was making - is that what we need is "a real top striker". None of the strikers currently at the club fit that bill - fingers crossed we sign one. I'm not doubting that at all. We do need a top quality striker, however for somebody to write Weimann off as a bench warmer is, in my opinion, very odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, jambodinho said: It’s mad how football has changed in such a short amount of time. The turnover of inept players in the last few years is incredible. So many have come and gone in such a short period. Previously managers were judged and ultimately sacked based on the success of their signings. Now we seem to be fine with taking gambles that tally up into the millions. It has coincided with LJ’s appointment but I’m not really sure if it’s down to his relationship with Steve Lansdown that he’s been given this freedom or whether this is the way we are going to go about are business going forward even after Johnson leaves the club. The club certainly never used to make the amount of signings we do now or gambles on young players. Managers certainly couldn’t spend money on players for the future like we do now. It makes you wonder if the money we’d spent on the likes of Engvall, Djuric, O’Neil, Watkins, Adelukan, Hegeler, Moore, Magnússon etc could have gone on 1 or 2 real quality signings, and not on gambles. It’s a shame sky money has ruined football really as prem teams can’t get an average player for £20m these days and there’s been a knock on effect down throughout the leagues. Engvall was our club record signing at the time. If you break your record to sign a striker 10-15 years ago he was being handed the number 9 shirt and was starting every game. Now we are spunking millions on players that aren’t anywhere near first team ready. Crazy If O'Neil goes down as a gamble then what signing isn't a gamble? And what signing would be a guaranteed quality signing? O'Neil shows that every signing has risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 He cost £1.2m (informing the first payment to Greenwich Borough that kept them alive.) I don't believe any of the additionals were ever invoked so add in fees and wages and he cost us probably £250k or so. As I wrote when we signed him my colleague who managed him in two capacities thought him potentially a lower league player but never Championship material. Appears he was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, jambodinho said: It’s mad how football has changed in such a short amount of time. The turnover of inept players in the last few years is incredible. So many have come and gone in such a short period. Previously managers were judged and ultimately sacked based on the success of their signings. Now we seem to be fine with taking gambles that tally up into the millions. It has coincided with LJ’s appointment but I’m not really sure if it’s down to his relationship with Steve Lansdown that he’s been given this freedom or whether this is the way we are going to go about are business going forward even after Johnson leaves the club. The club certainly never used to make the amount of signings we do now or gambles on young players. Managers certainly couldn’t spend money on players for the future like we do now. It makes you wonder if the money we’d spent on the likes of Engvall, Djuric, O’Neil, Watkins, Adelukan, Hegeler, Moore, Magnússon etc could have gone on 1 or 2 real quality signings, and not on gambles. It’s a shame sky money has ruined football really as prem teams can’t get an average player for £20m these days and there’s been a knock on effect down throughout the leagues. Engvall was our club record signing at the time. If you break your record to sign a striker 10-15 years ago he was being handed the number 9 shirt and was starting every game. Now we are spunking millions on players that aren’t anywhere near first team ready. Crazy Why is it anyone who wants to mention the players that hasn't made it (or still may not), always seems to forget the ones that have and the value they are worth now. The situation we are in is we are taking calculated gambles on lower league and unproven players from abroad. Will they all work - not a chance in hell. But take out the cost of those that never made it (or hasn't yet), and then add up what we have in sales and what the current crop are worth now. Webster alone will pay for that lot if we sold him. The same goes for all the academy players that won't make it at a cost to the club - but the ones that do far outweigh those losses. Bryan, Reid, Kelly etc etc. So yes we could have paid a lot of money on 1 or 2 players but we would certainly be in a worse position overall as club now and one going forward imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambodinho Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Olé said: Wait, what? Fairly sure that was the word on the street at the time. Could have been a load of rubbish but he certainly wasn’t cheap and we lost money on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambodinho Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, wood_red said: Why is it anyone who wants to mention the players that hasn't made it (or still may not), always seems to forget the ones that have and the value they are worth now. The situation we are in is we are taking calculated gambles on lower league and unproven players from abroad. Will they all work - not a chance in hell. But take out the cost of those that never made it (or hasn't yet), and then add up what we have in sales and what the current crop are worth now. Webster alone will pay for that lot if we sold him. The same goes for all the academy players that won't make it at a cost to the club - but the ones that do far outweigh those losses. Bryan, Reid, Kelly etc etc. So yes we could have paid a lot of money on 1 or 2 players but we would certainly be in a worse position overall as club now and one going forward imo. The general gist of my post was about how money has changed football so much in recent years. Not only the value of players but also that we now have to spend more money on potential and gambles than we used to spend on so called proven, first team ready players. Obviously nobody can predict the future and of course Engvall or Eisa could have gone on to bang in 30 goals a season for us and we’d be selling them for tens on millions. Football club owners need bottomless pockets these days even with FFP in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Loosey Boy said: Club record transfer apparently, meaning that it’s over £1.25m - another good bit of business by City Agree. Report is they’ve smashed their record! Must surely be £1.5M + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, jambodinho said: Fairly sure that was the word on the street at the time. Could have been a load of rubbish but he certainly wasn’t cheap and we lost money on him. I think you can be pretty certain that Gustav wasn't our record signing. If I remember correctly the fee was around £1.3 million plus appearance based add ons that never got paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, JBFC II said: He adds so much more to our game than just running. He's a good finisher with brilliant movement and has plenty of experience. Personally I'd be more than happy to see him starting for us next season Spot on and as LJ alluded in one of his interviews our midfielders often fail to pick out the pass, or pick that ball often enough to spot his runs. He is quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, wood_red said: Why is it anyone who wants to mention the players that hasn't made it (or still may not), always seems to forget the ones that have and the value they are worth now. The situation we are in is we are taking calculated gambles on lower league and unproven players from abroad. Will they all work - not a chance in hell. But take out the cost of those that never made it (or hasn't yet), and then add up what we have in sales and what the current crop are worth now. Webster alone will pay for that lot if we sold him. The same goes for all the academy players that won't make it at a cost to the club - but the ones that do far outweigh those losses. Bryan, Reid, Kelly etc etc. So yes we could have paid a lot of money on 1 or 2 players but we would certainly be in a worse position overall as club now and one going forward imo. 3.5 seasons into LJ’s reign, we are starting to see a bit of volume to the players he’s both signed and sold, rather than the ones he inherited and sold. I’ll miss some from the list, but here goes: Tomlin (probably broke even) O’Neil (free / free) Lucic (£200k loss) Steele (free / free) Hegeler (£300k loss) Magnússon (£250k profit) Engvall (£1m loss) Djuric (£1m loss) Eisa (£500k profit) We’ve yet to see the big one yet....although O’Dowda might be the first that gives us a multi-million net-spend profit. He has been afforded making a few mistakes in the deals of the players he inherited (Reid, Bryan, Flint....now Kelly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 Not sure what’s more staggering the fact we paid a lot of cash for him and he couldn’t get a look in, or the fact he couldn’t get a look in yet we’ve sold him to another club for their club record fee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 33 minutes ago, jambodinho said: It’s mad how football has changed in such a short amount of time. The turnover of inept players in the last few years is incredible. So many have come and gone in such a short period. Previously managers were judged and ultimately sacked based on the success of their signings. Now we seem to be fine with taking gambles that tally up into the millions. It has coincided with LJ’s appointment but I’m not really sure if it’s down to his relationship with Steve Lansdown that he’s been given this freedom or whether this is the way we are going to go about are business going forward even after Johnson leaves the club. The club certainly never used to make the amount of signings we do now or gambles on young players. Managers certainly couldn’t spend money on players for the future like we do now. It makes you wonder if the money we’d spent on the likes of Engvall, Djuric, O’Neil, Watkins, Adelukan, Hegeler, Moore, Magnússon etc could have gone on 1 or 2 real quality signings, and not on gambles. It’s a shame sky money has ruined football really as prem teams can’t get an average player for £20m these days and there’s been a knock on effect down throughout the leagues. Engvall was our club record signing at the time. If you break your record to sign a striker 10-15 years ago he was being handed the number 9 shirt and was starting every game. Now we are spunking millions on players that aren’t anywhere near first team ready. Crazy No he wasn’t..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: 3.5 seasons into LJ’s reign, we are starting to see a bit of volume to the players he’s both signed and sold, rather than the ones he inherited and sold. I’ll miss some from the list, but here goes: Tomlin (probably broke even) O’Neil (free / free) Lucic (£200k loss) Steele (free / free) Hegeler (£300k loss) Magnússon (£250k profit) Engvall (£1m loss) Djuric (£1m loss) Eisa (£500k profit) We’ve yet to see the big one yet....although O’Dowda might be the first that gives us a multi-million net-spend profit. He has been afforded making a few mistakes in the deals of the players he inherited (Reid, Bryan, Flint....now Kelly). If I was a fan of a club who had spent multi million pounds on o dowda I'd be furious. Eisa was a waste of time as was that adulukan kiddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 A gamble that didn't pay off, but a year training with Championship players should have made him a better player. We haven't lost anything on the transfer, possibly even made a bit. This is the type of signing we should have been making for years - low cost risk, with the scope to sell on with a profit (sometimes a small loss). Best case scanario is he turns into a Vardy/Flint type of player. Best move all round, best of luck to him. Well done Mark Ashton.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 As another poster said before he did have a look in, every day in training for a year. Obviously couldn't make the step up which is a bit worrying we are scouting shit players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 Never got a chance with LJ. Will be interesting to see how he does now he has an opportunity to play regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Taz said: A gamble that didn't pay off, but a year training with Championship players should have made him a better player. We haven't lost anything on the transfer, possibly even made a bit. This is the type of signing we should have been making for years - low cost risk, with the scope to sell on with a profit (sometimes a small loss). Best case scanario is he turns into a Vardy/Flint type of player. Best move all round, best of luck to him. Well done Mark Ashton.... So it’s a gamble that did pay off ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: As another poster said before he did have a look in, every day in training for a year. Obviously couldn't make the step up which is a bit worrying we are scouting shit players What utter nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 In any business, if you buy an asset, add value to it then sell that asset 12 months later for a 25-50% nett profit, you’ll be very happy - and so should we. It’s the new paradigm evidenced by many Premiership clubs, most notably Chelsea. Well done to all concerned and good luck Mo! A hat trick against the 15ers, home and away please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 The fact that people are bashing the club over a signing that we appear to have made a profit on is a bit weird, frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: As another poster said before he did have a look in, every day in training for a year. Obviously couldn't make the step up which is a bit worrying we are scouting shit players Horseshit what about the players who are in the team currently, all would of been scouted by our shit system with out our shot scouting system we wouldn’t of got the 15 million for kodja and the rumoured 10 million coming our way for o’dowda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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