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WAHGS.

Mo Eisa signed for Peterborough (Merged)

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12 minutes ago, Redmycolour said:

Charlton want Taylor,as reported midweek, £650k

Barnsley too, let the bidding war commence :)

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Just had a look on the Posh website to see what they are saying about Mo and noticed they have made 5 signings already. Know who they want and get it done same as Cotterill  did. 

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1 hour ago, Fordy62 said:

I’m not sure we’d all be so worried if he had signed for a L1 club other than Posh. That’s the problematic part.

 

Exactly. My first thoughts were great we got our money back, thought we paid a million for him too. And we would be paying a wage for a season too, so not a huge profit but not a loss which I expected.

Then I thought, hang on, weren’t Posh trying to sign him when we did? They got a great record of spotting talent as you suggest, so what do they see that we didn’t/couldn’t? No doubt in 12 months time they will be selling him to Bournemouth for £10m or something. 

Mixed feelings about this one. Personally I would have bought him and loaned him to Posh last season, and then see where we were.

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24 minutes ago, 29AR said:

Given his signing on fee, agents fee and wages, employment costs etc, I expect there is a loss unless we get a sell on fee. 

You may be grasping at straws there I think. Is it so hard to accept that our club has just done a decent bit of business.and just say well done ?

We can all find times where we have made a loss but our transfer trading over the last 12 months has been absolutely outstanding. Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson should take due credit whether it’s selling players on that they brought in  to the club or improving the value of players brought in before their tenure. 

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3 hours ago, Dredd said:

Better to recoup most of the money given the chance now than lose even more by not playing the kid ala Engvall. LJ said we are looking for Premier League ready footballers, I guess he didn’t see that in him. Probably best for all parties. Good luck to him. 

He didn't play.

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1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

OK let’s discuss it. If you are going to operate a  moneyball type of recruitment system it is likely to be hit and miss. People who say that we could have taken all the money paid for the “failures” and spent it on 1 or 2 quality players are missing out some of the facts. 

Those players come with signing on fees, high wages and have to be persuaded to sign for us, rather than multiple big teams vying for their signature. They are likely to be more established and be at the top of their value on signing.

The players in the moneyball market are going to be hoping we will be a stepping stone to better things, unlikely to command top money and as with Eisa, be more likely to make us some money even if they move on.

Of course there will be Engvalls, but there are failures in the other market as well, we could have been saddled with Ross McCormack for example.

The problem generally is that in both markets you are dealing with human beings, not robots so there are huge variables in the process.

 

I thought that talking sense was forbidden on OTIB!

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1 hour ago, Up The City! said:

Thought I was watching a Mark Ashton interview then.

Talks like Mark Ashton but sounds like Mark Kelly. We must be franchising it out. 

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35 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

You may be grasping at straws there I think. Is it so hard to accept that our club has just done a decent bit of business.and just say well done ?

We can all find times where we have made a loss but our transfer trading over the last 12 months has been absolutely outstanding. Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson should take due credit whether it’s selling players on that they brought in  to the club or improving the value of players brought in before their tenure. 

Ummm yeah.

They took a punt on a player, thought he wouldn’t make it and have done a very good job of minimising the loss. I’m not going go la la land and think they’ve profited; that seems very unlikely. But we took a punt and offloaded with a minimal loss. I don’t expect every punt to work out, that’s pie in the sky, but this could have gone the way of Engval, and we will have more that go the way of Engval - that’s normal, and I don’t even say he was bad business; you have to speculate to accumulate. 

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3 hours ago, old_eastender said:

Hope Weimann is warming the bench most of the time, for all his running he ain't nowhere near being a "real top striker", never has been or will be.  

I know it's sunny but keep of the Source when posting would you? Anyone with a brain would rate Wiemann. 

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1 hour ago, billywedlock said:

Kodja too  on the inherited cash cow list . Tomlin we certainly did not break even on, and someone been massaging the numbers if Eisa is 500k profit. Not a hope, but good damage limitation. 

Tomlin is a strange one.  Originally thought fee was around £2.5m to £3.0m, and then Cardiff paid anywhere between £1.9m (Warnock’s claim) and £2.9m.  None of us know.  I reckon that (as he had 2 years left of a 3 year contract) that we recouped the amount of value left on his contract.  We probably did lose a few quid in terms of net, but probably break even for FFP....and the intangible profit of getting a royal pain in the arse out of the club and off our wage bill 😂

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12 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

I know it's sunny but keep of the Source when posting would you? Anyone with a brain would rate Wiemann. 

HaHa, it's a matter of opinion. FACTS are last season he managed to score 10, and that was the first time he had got to double figures in a season. Yes he runs his socks off, his movement is good, but his shooting from anywhere outside the 6 yard box is woeful and when carrying the ball on the run his final pass is often poor too. 

We simply need a forward with a better strike rate than that if we are going to try and improve again.

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Well according to the Posh Chairman  ‘other clubs’ were in for Mo “big time’ so if we’ve managed as you say to make a loss on a player in such high demand 29AR then all I can say is wow. Cancel the Champagne ‘Ashton out’!

8 days of hard negotiations to make a loss. You just wouldn’t believe it !

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1 hour ago, 29AR said:

Given his signing on fee, agents fee and wages, employment costs etc, I expect there is a loss unless we get a sell on fee. 

But you just have to accept you’re gonna have to pay wages (unless you’re Bolton!).  If you wanna factor that in, then perhaps you need to split the club’s income across each player too?

1 hour ago, Redrascal2 said:

Just had a look on the Posh website to see what they are saying about Mo and noticed they have made 5 signings already. Know who they want and get it done same as Cotterill  did. 

Beevers and Butler (heh heh sounds like a US cartoon) are astute signings, and i sense this might be their season to get back up to the Champ.  Just backed them e/w at 12/1.

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

But you just have to accept you’re gonna have to pay wages (unless you’re Bolton!).  If you wanna factor that in, then perhaps you need to split the club’s income across each player too?

Beevers and Butler (heh heh sounds like a US cartoon) are astute signings, and i sense this might be their season to get back up to the Champ.  Just backed them e/w at 12/1.

Not a bad shout that.

I'm going to put a few quid on.

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21 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

Well according to the Posh Chairman  ‘other clubs’ were in for Mo “big time’ so if we’ve managed as you say to make a loss on a player in such high demand 29AR then all I can say is wow. Cancel the Champagne ‘Ashton out’!

8 days of hard negotiations to make a loss. You just wouldn’t believe it !

Absolutely not, seven figures for someone who’s played 6 games in 12 months; get a Jeroboam. 

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2 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

Why ?

Peterborough record fee was 1.25m and their chairman say they've broken that record.

City paid 800k for Eisa with another 200k due in the summer (not sure if that is now payable).

500k profit is quite believable imo.

You reckon Posh paid that? Buy a timeshare from Darren 😁

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10 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Why the baffled look. This and Engval might bite us on the ass.

Why would a transfer where we lost no money (maybe even making a profit) bite us on the ass?

Also the 1 million lost on engvall, whilst not being good business, is hardly going to ruin the club...

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11 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

You reckon Posh paid that? Buy a timeshare from Darren 😁

And your evidence to the contrary is ... ?

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Just now, chinapig said:

And your evidence to the contrary is ... ?

He doesn’t have any, he doesn’t like giving the club any praise whatsoever...

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1 hour ago, Chairman Mao said:

I know it's sunny but keep of the Source when posting would you? Anyone with a brain would rate Wiemann. 

Wiemann is a good championship striker, and worthy of a place in our squad, but he isnt a real top championship striker in my book,,, derby wouldnt have sold him to us for 1.8 if he was assombalonga.

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6 minutes ago, simon uk said:

Wiemann is a good championship striker, and worthy of a place in our squad, but he isnt a real top championship striker in my book,,, derby wouldnt have sold him to us for 1.8 if he was assombalonga.

Wiemann has never been a prolific striker but he does bring plenty of energy and stamina, both qualities that LJ admires. The difference between him and Taylor is the goal ratio.

Wiemann had his best goal return in the Championship last season whereas Taylor is still adjusting to the step up in quality.

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4 hours ago, Born and Red in 82 said:

Sad to see him go...City Legend

Not as legendary as Ryan Fredericks

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5 hours ago, old_eastender said:

Hope Weimann is warming the bench most of the time, for all his running he ain't nowhere near being a "real top striker", never has been or will be.  

Yep.........that hat trick against sheff utd away, was just a matter of 3 complete flukes.  Can we maybe support our players, rather than criticise a guy who ALWAYS gives 100 per cent?

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

But you just have to accept you’re gonna have to pay wages (unless you’re Bolton!).  If you wanna factor that in, then perhaps you need to split the club’s income across each player too?

Beevers and Butler (heh heh sounds like a US cartoon) are astute signings, and i sense this might be their season to get back up to the Champ.  Just backed them e/w at 12/1.

A decent keeper too in Pym from Exeter for nowt.

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4 hours ago, Northern Red said:

The fact that people are bashing the club over a signing that we appear to have made a profit on is a bit weird, frankly.

Undisclosed , if we made a profit im sure the fee would of been publicized,  pointless signing never given a chance ,only signed for one reason , well three to be exact ....

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11 minutes ago, bengalcub said:

Undisclosed , if we made a profit im sure the fee would of been publicized,  pointless signing never given a chance ,only signed for one reason , well three to be exact ....

Let’s think about it. 

We signed him for 800k rising to 1 million. 

Peterborough broke their transfer record to sign him, a record that had stood at 1.25 million. 

I’m no mathematician but that sounds like a profit to me

Fees are never disclosed nowadays anyway, apart from when they are record transfers, like this one...

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7 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

Paid 800k to Cheltenham didn't we ?

Got over 1.25m from Posh by most accounts.

Good business but shame it didn't work out for him here, he should do well for them.

I expect we paid that 425k profit on Eisa's wages for a year, so not really good business at all

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No not good buisness. He was never given a chance id rather got rid of fammy hes basically a 3rd tier player like eisa but eisa not given ago. Joke get fammy out 

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Weiman not good enough fammy not good enough. Lets go sign some more lower league players and sell on. Get quality from the start stop penny pinching 

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5 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

No not good buisness. He was never given a chance id rather got rid of fammy hes basically a 3rd tier player like eisa but eisa not given ago. Joke get fammy out 

 

2 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

Weiman not good enough fammy not good enough. Lets go sign some more lower league players and sell on. Get quality from the start stop penny pinching 

You really don’t have a clue do you...

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11 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

I expect we paid that 425k profit on Eisa's wages for a year, so not really good business at all

You really think we were paying him 8.5k a week?

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3 hours ago, downendcity said:

I thought that talking sense was forbidden on OTIB!

Seems it is, just Talking shit about things people don’t seem to be able to grasp,

too many football manager type fans 

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Yet again a lot of people talking about fees and wages when they know nothing.

Pointless arguments.

Whether we did well or badly out of his time here is chicken feed.

Still have no idea why we signed him though, as pointless as most of these posts.

 

 

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Darren McAnthony says they have "smashed" their transfer record. As that was 1.25 million I would have thought that meant somewhere between 1.6 and 1.9 million.

He also said all the top end League 1 clubs were in for Mo, and two Championship clubs were in for him as well. They had been tracking Mo for 2 years ever since a pre-season friendly against Cheltenham where he ripped them apart. Said Mo had real pace.

Who knows whether Eisa is good enough for the Championship. But just because a club does not play a player, does not automatically mean he is not good enough. Chelsea did not play Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah when they had them. Bearing in mind we spent most of the season playing four defenders, four midfielders, Fammy, and then Jamie Paterson, who was ineffective in terms of goals and assists, would it really have killed us to give Mo Eisa three consecutive starts? Even if it turns out he is rubbish, at least we know for sure. 

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29 minutes ago, Boston Red said:

Darren McAnthony says they have "smashed" their transfer record. As that was 1.25 million I would have thought that meant somewhere between 1.6 and 1.9 million.

He also said all the top end League 1 clubs were in for Mo, and two Championship clubs were in for him as well. They had been tracking Mo for 2 years ever since a pre-season friendly against Cheltenham where he ripped them apart. Said Mo had real pace.

Who knows whether Eisa is good enough for the Championship. But just because a club does not play a player, does not automatically mean he is not good enough. Chelsea did not play Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah when they had them. Bearing in mind we spent most of the season playing four defenders, four midfielders, Fammy, and then Jamie Paterson, who was ineffective in terms of goals and assists, would it really have killed us to give Mo Eisa three consecutive starts? Even if it turns out he is rubbish, at least we know for sure. 

It's a fair question I suppose, we aren't privy to all that goes on week to week in training, so maybe it was obvious to the management that he wasn't going to work out. I haven't heard any suggestions that the crucial three were in any disagreement on his lack of involvement anyway.

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1 hour ago, Boston Red said:

Darren McAnthony says they have "smashed" their transfer record. As that was 1.25 million I would have thought that meant somewhere between 1.6 and 1.9 million.

He also said all the top end League 1 clubs were in for Mo, and two Championship clubs were in for him as well. They had been tracking Mo for 2 years ever since a pre-season friendly against Cheltenham where he ripped them apart. Said Mo had real pace.

Who knows whether Eisa is good enough for the Championship. But just because a club does not play a player, does not automatically mean he is not good enough. Chelsea did not play Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah when they had them. Bearing in mind we spent most of the season playing four defenders, four midfielders, Fammy, and then Jamie Paterson, who was ineffective in terms of goals and assists, would it really have killed us to give Mo Eisa three consecutive starts? Even if it turns out he is rubbish, at least we know for sure. 

That would be the ineffective fammy who scored 13 goals despite a lengthy ban, our top scorer fammy?

 And patio who scored 5 and got 4 assists the best return from our midfield, that ineffective pato  

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Danny Rose about the only player who put in a decent performance.

 

Must have been benefitting from his Bristol City experience. 

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2 minutes ago, Moor2Sea said:

Danny Rose about the only player who put in a decent performance.

 

Must have been benefitting from his Bristol City experience. 

Has he gone to Peterborough as well?

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18 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Has he gone to Peterborough as well?

So bored with the Final, I think I put my Eisa posting on Mumsnet. 

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Damn you, Bristol City. Watch Mo score 90 goals for Peterborough next season. You have to wait for an Eisa to mature. Same old story. 

 

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1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

That would be the ineffective fammy who scored 13 goals despite a lengthy ban, our top scorer fammy?

 And patio who scored 5 and got 4 assists the best return from our midfield, that ineffective pato  

Love Patio. Good on the deck. 

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3 hours ago, RumRed said:

Yet again a lot of people talking about fees and wages when they know nothing.

Pointless arguments.

Whether we did well or badly out of his time here is chicken feed.

Still have no idea why we signed him though, as pointless as most of these posts.

 

 

Agent , and both managers , just a little clue why we signed him ....😬

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