Roger Red Hat Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Up The City! said: It was plainly obvious in the first half that the Dutch would try to force a defensive mistake and we failed to deal with that threat. If in doubt kick it out ffs and that should have been drilled into the players at half time. "Can we not knock it"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Rocker Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Not sure what was worse, England's defending or the pathetic overreaction from some of the whoppers on here. Er, pretty sure it was the defending to be honest mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 No midfield, no coherent possession plan. Kane is wasted. We literally rely on breakaways. im sorry but Sterling, Rashford and Ali are not good enough. theyre not 50% of the player modric or hazard are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 poor intial midfield chosen......and then up until a very poor error by Stones, we played ok. 3-1 is a misleading score. Get rid of 2 or 3 and we willl be fine. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, B1ackbird said: According to the commentary team the Dutch goals were an inevitable result of our total, play it out from the back ethos, well pray tell, did the Dutch lump it forward at every opportunity?!?! Nah, I thought not The difference is, the Dutch players are so much better on the ball. They have the quality to play it out of the back, we don’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted June 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Up The City! said: It was plainly obvious in the first half that the Dutch would try to force a defensive mistake and we failed to deal with that threat. If in doubt kick it out ffs and that should have been drilled into the players at half time. Branch and root review badly needed. Behave, that was after Iceland. Two semis in a row is no reason for a paddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 Got what we deserved. Had the Netherlands had more up top we’d have been crucified. For most of the game the midfield was non-existent. It took until the 95th minute for Declan Rice to play a pass toward. The defence was poor and Stones in particular had a stinker. At least I’m saved the embarrassment of seeing Ronaldo score.a hat trick or better against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Not sure what was worse, England's defending or the pathetic overreaction from some of the whoppers on here. The latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 The wailing and gnashing on here are at the levels we get when City lose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, Up The City! said: It was plainly obvious in the first half that the Dutch would try to force a defensive mistake and we failed to deal with that threat. If in doubt kick it out ffs and that should have been drilled into the players at half time. Branch and root review badly needed. Behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Behave, that was after Iceland. Two semis in a row is no reason for a paddy. I'll give you an example, if Mercedes finish second in a race they have a branch and root review, finishing 2nd just isn't acceptable. You have to have that winning mentality and if you lose you don't say well we did well to get to the semis, job well done because that's a losers mentality and if you have that mentality then we we will always be losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, JBFC II said: The difference is, the Dutch players are so much better on the ball. They have the quality to play it out of the back, we don’t I can't argue with that, but why are they at Man City and Chelsea? Some sort of care in the Community deal, surly they can control and pass the effing thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 Ali needs to leave Spurs, he is a great player but has stagnated badly. Walker and Stones are awful, Gomez and Alexander Arnold will replace those clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 I hope Stones never plays for England again. He has a history of doing that, is paid hundreds of thousands per WEEK to eliminate that nonsense and yes doesn’t/can’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 We will be better on the ball in midfield when some of these youngsters come through. The problem is if you defend as a unit and hit teams on the break, which at the moment is our best hope, then we need a solid unit at the back. Walker and Stones are not that. And that passing out the back is getting ridiculous. Netherlands haven't even got a forward line. Nothing up top. Disgraceful to lose it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grove park city Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said: Behave, that was after Iceland. Two semis in a row is no reason for a paddy. Over paid over hyped players who fold every time the pressure is on 2 semi finals big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Behave. The Dutch did a tactical masterclass on us, if you don't have an intense review then the next time we are in a semi the exact same will happen again. 12 months on and we have got worse, not improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 I like what Southgate tries to do but sadly he does not have the quality to do it. Rashford Henderson Ali and Sterling are show ponies who will never dominate a game. They all rely on others at club level with none actually being the talisman for a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 As bad as our defence were, our midfielder was just as bad. If our midfield were dropping back to receive the ball then Stones etc has passing options and doesn't get put in a position where they are put under pressure. There should always be 2-3 passing options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Up The City! said: As bad as our defence were, our midfielder was just as bad. If our midfield were dropping back to receive the ball then Stones etc has passing options and doesn't get put in a position where they are put under pressure. There should always be 2-3 passing options. Our midfield is the problem. It’s painfully obvious and was as apparent during the World Cup. We seem to produce ‘exciting’ youngsters who like to ‘outskill’ in flashes. None who dominate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Up The City! said: I'll give you an example, if Mercedes finish second in a race they have a branch and root review, finishing 2nd just isn't acceptable. You have to have that winning mentality and if you lose you don't say well we did well to get to the semis, job well done because that's a losers mentality and if you have that mentality then we we will always be losers. We used to have our run ins during LJs first full season but you are regularly spot on and this is an example. I have no real personal interest other than discussing with mates how England develop but in any business you do a retrospective as you have described no matter what the result. The worlds best sports people don't celebrate being best they work out how they could have been better. If you are third or fourth and serious, it should be a matter of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, grove park city said: What a gutless performance on such a poignant day they should be ashamed .. Not a good performance but I’m confused about the point you are making. Are you aware that the Netherlands were invaded by the Nazis despite being a neutral country in WW2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, allyolly said: Not a good performance but I’m confused about the point you are making. Are you aware that the Netherlands were invaded by the Nazis despite being a neutral country in WW2? It's typical "nurses and soldiers" bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 51 minutes ago, B1ackbird said: What's Neville on about? Playing in out from the back, or playing like a t***, Piss off back to Kes with your haircut Stones... Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 England's defence needs Webster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, 054123 said: I like what Southgate tries to do but sadly he does not have the quality to do it. Rashford Henderson Ali and Sterling are show ponies who will never dominate a game. They all rely on others at club level with none actually being the talisman for a club. Henderson improved the team. Received, received, released possession and looked to repeat. Instantly England's retention of the ball improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Cowshed said: Henderson improved the team. Received, received, released possession and looked to repeat. Instantly England's retention of the ball improved. Agree that to receive and give simple balls can be s great calming influence, but I would bracket him with the other three because he does not do enough to then effect the game positively. I suppose my point about Henderson is if not him then who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, 054123 said: Agree that to receive and give simple balls can be s great calming influence, but I would bracket him with the other three because he does not do enough to then effect the game positively. I suppose my point about Henderson is if not him then who? It can depend on what we look upon as being effecting the game positively. He was always looking to be an option, generally kept it and was that calming influence. Who? Winks maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cowshed said: It can depend on what we look upon as being effecting the game positively. He was always looking to be an option, generally kept it and was that calming influence. Who? Winks maybe. Possibly, I still think midfield is the area that is costing us, not defence. I know they made areas but are lack of midfield possession means was ask for too much football to be play in our third. When we do transition out of it, the players just seem to be able to only play ‘quick break’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 50 minutes ago, Up The City! said: I'll give you an example, if Mercedes finish second in a race they have a branch and root review, finishing 2nd just isn't acceptable. You have to have that winning mentality and if you lose you don't say well we did well to get to the semis, job well done because that's a losers mentality and if you have that mentality then we we will always be losers. I'm glad you mentioned Mercedes because Germany have been doing this for decades. With the World Cup success of our U17s and U20s, the infrastructure is in place for a technically stronger senior squad, with attacking midfielders like Foden, who can receive the ball on the half turn, drive forward at pace and pass. They just need regular first team football and therein lies the problem. Perhaps the Bundesliga can kick start the England careers of more players like Jadon Sancho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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