East End Old Boy Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 Nothing more to add I’m afraid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS15_RED Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 It’s going to make the PL an absolute shitfest next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 To think Arsenal wouldn’t have won the league in 89 because VAR would have brought play back for the rolling ball at the free kick. But everyone would be happy because it was 100% correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 I am a supporter of VAR in general and it has done more good than bad since its introduction. When technology gets introduced in any situation, it takes time for people to adapt. That being said, that was NOT a clear infringement. The defender went to ground too easily. Yes, Wilson grabbed his arm but with the kind of force that wouldn't even have pulled a carrot out of the ground. Sadly here on this old boy's club saying that I see that VAR can be useful in the future is the equivalent of finding where every OTIB member lives and going and punching their children in the face one by one. Bring on the eggplants... EDIT: The moment I saw the name 'Gary' on my notifications I knew what I was in for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 It cricket we have umpires decision on lbw - we at least need a 5% tolerance on offsides for attackingside depending on if ref gave it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 The problem is nobody knows what it’s being used for there will be loads of goals given where there would have been a foul in the build up somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Rob k said: The problem is nobody knows what it’s being used for there will be loads of goals given where there would have been a foul in the build up somewhere. Yep.......how far back in the play does the VaR go? Twice now England have had goals chalked off by very marginal VaR decisions whereas without VaR both would have stood. TomF is spot on as well - there should be a percentage of error allocated as there are with LBW in cricket - can’t see that happening tho..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonL Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 It was a foul by Wilson just before the ball came to him. Correct decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 Simple answer imho, take the ref and the guy in the studio out of the decision to invoke VAR...make it the manager’s decision. One review per half. Abuse it / lose it. Take the Goal today, had Swiss used theirs incorrectly earlier in the half...tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 Think it was harsh to disallow it, both players tangling and theirs went down looking for a foul. Trouble is anytime slightest contact in box people will go down looking for fouls knowing VAR is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Simple answer imho, take the ref and the guy in the studio out of the decision to invoke VAR...make it the manager’s decision. One review per half. Abuse it / lose it. Take the Goal today, had Swiss used theirs incorrectly earlier in the half...tough. Could work similar to a 'coach's challenge' like they have in the NHL. However an implication for an incorrect challenge would have to be devised too and I am not sure what this could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Simple answer imho, take the ref and the guy in the studio out of the decision to invoke VAR...make it the manager’s decision. One review per half. Abuse it / lose it. Take the Goal today, had Swiss used theirs incorrectly earlier in the half...tough. Same thing I said after the last 2 games. Teams have to appeal and they only get one appeal, so they can't appeal non stop. VAR becomes self managing - it's only for when teams feel extreme injustice. Absolute madness that VAR reviews are being initiated by a person in a box or the increasingly unconfident ref (well why not just review), without any demand. Go back to what it was there for, extreme circumstances where a team immediately felt wronged. One appeal each. It'd stop continual harassment of the ref too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, SimonL said: It was a foul by Wilson just before the ball came to him. Correct decision. Correct decision isn’t the most important thing is it?! Unless you go to games to get excited about correct decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted June 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 minute ago, RedDave said: Correct decision isn’t the most important thing is it?! Unless you go to games to get excited about correct decisions Hadn’t thought about like this before, but you are soooooo right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, RedDave said: Correct decision isn’t the most important thing is it?! Unless you go to games to get excited about correct decisions That's very obviously not the case; it's more that people get aggrieved towards incorrect decisions as opposed to the opposite. That is what VAR intends to combat. Is it fully working as it should be now? Of course it isn't. That's inevitable. Sport in general is very conservative and changes like this will take a bit of time. Funnily enough when Scott Duncan decided to become Villa's best player in Grealish's absence there were loads of people on here clamouring for VAR. Yet when it happens to our beloved England, and people don't have anything better to talk about on here, the tantrums hit fever pitch (this bit doesn't necessarily refer to your post Dave but rather the general consensus here right now) and suddenly you wonder if you've taken a wrong turn and ended up on 'BRISTOL CITY TILL I DIE' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, RedDave said: Correct decision isn’t the most important thing is it?! Unless you go to games to get excited about correct decisions It’s just a game reffed by humans. its exciting and flowing and chance plays a part. Well it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted June 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 47 minutes ago, 054123 said: It’s just a game reffed by humans. its exciting and flowing and chance plays a part. Well it used to be. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted June 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 48 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: That's very obviously not the case; it's more that people get aggrieved towards incorrect decisions as opposed to the opposite. That is what VAR intends to combat. Is it fully working as it should be now? Of course it isn't. That's inevitable. Sport in general is very conservative and changes like this will take a bit of time. Funnily enough when Scott Duncan decided to become Villa's best player in Grealish's absence there were loads of people on here clamouring for VAR. Yet when it happens to our beloved England, and people don't have anything better to talk about on here, the tantrums hit fever pitch (this bit doesn't necessarily refer to your post Dave but rather the general consensus here right now) and suddenly you wonder if you've taken a wrong turn and ended up on 'BRISTOL CITY TILL I DIE' Well, I for one wasn’t clamouring for it and the more I see it the more I don’t want it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 VAR makes the game 2 level. Teams that are high up the ladder have it non league and parks can’t. Personally feel all laws should be available to all levels not just the elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza1982 Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 Get rid of it. It will ruin football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said: VAR makes the game 2 level. Teams that are high up the ladder have it non league and parks can’t. Personally feel all laws should be available to all levels not just the elite. Couldn’t agree more. For me all technology that interferes with play in football is an abomination, including the prat (sorry 4th official) with the board, but if you ever want accuracy of decisions it’s in non-league. At those levels decisions that may affect relegation issues can be a real factor in whether the club survives to play another season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 The most ridiculous scenario was this season`s FA Cup where some ties had it and others didn`t. Get rid. It will kill the game as a spectacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 I am for VAR! With it we would have been IN the playoffs this season! how many points did we lose to poor officiating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hertsexile Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 VAR in this seasons FA cup gave premiership clubs an unfair advantage. If it had been at all games both Manchester City and Wolves wouldn’t have Been in the semifinals. There is a place for it but it has to be available to all games not just selected fixtures. The FA talk about fair play so come let’s have it please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 VAR is bollox. Goal line tech is fine. That is a black and white, clear as day, absolute factual conclusion. All the rest of this s*** they’ve introduce is absolute tosh. Pish & tish I say. Or in other words - effing shiite If this shit becomes the norm, I will seriously have to reconsider my interest in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 When are they going to start issuing yellow cards for players asking the ref to review an incident with VAR? Thats winding me up more than anything at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted June 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 13 hours ago, dave36 said: I am for VAR! With it we would have been IN the playoffs this season! how many points did we lose to poor officiating? And other teams didn’t have poor decisions against them? As the old saying goes, it will level out over the whole season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 The truth is, football with VAR is not the sport we fell in love with. We are humans, not robots. We want passion, blood and thunder, mistakes, talking points that make the blood boil (not the tedium of discussing a VAR disallowed goal), exciting football. Surely we want to be able to celebrate a goal and not then feel like absolute dog shite five minutes later if the goal is erased. I just don't see the need for it. The game was fine, in fact, it was better than fine, it was bloody brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Sod it, get rid... I prefer to see the TV 'debates' of right and wrong decisions in replays of televised games and the occasional 'outrage/joy & what if's felt by both sides when a subsequent 'injustice' has been spotted. Live games create great atmosphere in the stands when the crowd sees things the ref misses. (imagine the fun we would have missed out on if officials had spotted Warnock's Palace 'ghost goal' a few years ago!) Also the expense of var review teams and studios in stadiums seems a waste of money, and as pointed out above the use of var pro games creates an unnecessary difference between top level football, lower leagues and grassroots stuff. The basic game should strive to be 'the same' wherever possible, var creates one very big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 16 hours ago, Olé said: Same thing I said after the last 2 games. Teams have to appeal and they only get one appeal, so they can't appeal non stop. VAR becomes self managing - it's only for when teams feel extreme injustice. Absolute madness that VAR reviews are being initiated by a person in a box or the increasingly unconfident ref (well why not just review), without any demand. Go back to what it was there for, extreme circumstances where a team immediately felt wronged. One appeal each. It'd stop continual harassment of the ref too. Maybe change that to 1 "life" on the appeals. As soon as you get one wrong you've lost it. Would be harsh if you appealed and correctly won a penalty and then later on an opponent lamps someone off the ball and it's missed by the official. But yes.... definitely put it in the hands of the manager or captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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