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A thread that is started most times he plays for England, but...

If the stories are true and he was that close to signing for us under Cotterill, SL must be kicking himself for messing about with the agreed fee.

World Cup semi finalist and being linked with £90m moves.

Surely the biggest player we have genuinely missed out on?

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A short story of the 2015 summer transfer window: 

18th July 2015 - Harry Maguire bid rejected:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11726/9900976/hull-reject-bristol-city-bid-for-harry-maguire

3rd August 2015 - We're linked with signing Jesse Lingard for £2.5m (although I'm not sure if this was genuine!)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/football/144036/robins-on-gard/?fbclid=IwAR1aETBN9bVpM8o_8f4IEXsqqy3j6osJPDvjBs6Aj0CUrQbiC0nyniuA3N8

12th August 2015 - Bid accepted for Dwight Gayle:

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/cotterill-confirms-gayle-bid-accepted/

18th August 2015 - Bid accepted for Andre Gray:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33974678

 

But it's okay, our saviour joined us in January:

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4 minutes ago, Coppello said:

A short story of the 2015 summer transfer window: 

18th July 2015 - Harry Maguire bid rejected:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11726/9900976/hull-reject-bristol-city-bid-for-harry-maguire

3rd August 2015 - We're linked with signing Jesse Lingard for £2.5m (although I'm not sure if this was genuine!)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/football/144036/robins-on-gard/?fbclid=IwAR1aETBN9bVpM8o_8f4IEXsqqy3j6osJPDvjBs6Aj0CUrQbiC0nyniuA3N8

12th August 2015 - Bid accepted for Dwight Gayle:

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/cotterill-confirms-gayle-bid-accepted/

18th August 2015 - Bid accepted for Andre Gray:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33974678

 

But it's okay, our saviour joined us in January:

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A what could of been summer , if ever there was one.

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5 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

A what could of been summer , if ever there was one.

I did miss out the signing of Kodjia which wasn't a bad bit of business in all fairness! There were our other incomings according to wiki:

Date from Position Nationality Name From Fee Ref.
20 July 2015 CF France Jonathan Kodjia Angers £2,000,000 [2][3]
6 August 2015 RB England Ryan Fredericks Tottenham Hotspur Undisclosed [4]
7 January 2016 CF Cameroon Paul Garita Châteauroux £50,000 [5]
28 January 2016 LB England Scott Golbourne Wovlerhampton Wanderers Undisclosed [6]
1 February 2016 GK England Richard O'Donnell Wigan Athletic Undisclosed [7]

 

It does make you wince a little bit!

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24 minutes ago, Coppello said:

I did miss out the signing of Kodjia which wasn't a bad bit of business in all fairness! There were our other incomings according to wiki:

Date from Position Nationality Name From Fee Ref.
20 July 2015 CF France Jonathan Kodjia Angers £2,000,000 [2][3]
6 August 2015 RB England Ryan Fredericks Tottenham Hotspur Undisclosed [4]
7 January 2016 CF Cameroon Paul Garita Châteauroux £50,000 [5]
28 January 2016 LB England Scott Golbourne Wovlerhampton Wanderers Undisclosed [6]
1 February 2016 GK England Richard O'Donnell Wigan Athletic Undisclosed [7]

 

It does make you wince a little bit!

Don`t forget a few loans which didn`t really work out -Robinson, Pearce, Cox, and the CB from Leicester who`s name escapes me for the moment.

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45 minutes ago, Coppello said:

A short story of the 2015 summer transfer window: 

18th July 2015 - Harry Maguire bid rejected:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11726/9900976/hull-reject-bristol-city-bid-for-harry-maguire

3rd August 2015 - We're linked with signing Jesse Lingard for £2.5m (although I'm not sure if this was genuine!)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/football/144036/robins-on-gard/?fbclid=IwAR1aETBN9bVpM8o_8f4IEXsqqy3j6osJPDvjBs6Aj0CUrQbiC0nyniuA3N8

12th August 2015 - Bid accepted for Dwight Gayle:

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/cotterill-confirms-gayle-bid-accepted/

18th August 2015 - Bid accepted for Andre Gray:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33974678

 

But it's okay, our saviour joined us in January:

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Temper when £50k was a punt!!!

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I remember us trying to sign Owen on loan I think after we sold Goater. Few months later he's bursting onto the scene in the Liverpool team 

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2 hours ago, Red Right Hand said:

Don`t forget a few loans which didn`t really work out -Robinson, Pearce, Cox, and the CB from Leicester who`s name escapes me for the moment.

Liam Moore. Apparently was never fit and struggled with injuries during his time with us.

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4 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said:

A thread that is started most times he plays for England, but...

If the stories are true and he was that close to signing for us under Cotterill, SL must be kicking himself for messing about with the agreed fee.

World Cup semi finalist and being linked with £90m moves.

Surely the biggest player we have genuinely missed out on?

Yes and Dwight gayle or Andre gray two big sell on fees missed out on

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Seeing some of the names mentioned I suppose it does prove that at least we can identify a player with potential at times. Trouble is it is balanced with the ones we pretty soon confirm are duds too.

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1 hour ago, paul_fox said:

I remember us trying to sign Owen on loan I think after we sold Goater. Few months later he's bursting onto the scene in the Liverpool team 

I doubt it - when Goater left us Michael Owen had played a whole season for Liverpool’s first team scoring 23 goals in 44 games and he had also already played for the senior England team ... we were actually linked with Owen on loan when we signed David James during the Steve Coppell debacle ...

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I've always thought Cotts was a good judge of a player,  his recruitment to put the L1 championship team together was faultless Wilbs Smith Little Ayling Freeman etc for very little money ,  for the Championship his identification of McGuire Grey was spot on, and the signing of Kodjia - £2-3M and sell for £12-15M was the best example of SL's philosophy of (if we buy we buy young value , develop and sell at a big profit) which we haven't yet equalled. Despite this a certain tedious poster continues to flog the line that SC didn't carry out SL's wishes when he actually has been the most successful at it. Clearly we are in a good (probably better) place under LJ now - in terms of whole club development- but had we completed on the deal on McGuire we would have made a hefty return.

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2 hours ago, CodeRed said:

I've always thought Cotts was a good judge of a player,  his recruitment to put the L1 championship team together was faultless Wilbs Smith Little Ayling Freeman etc for very little money ,  for the Championship his identification of McGuire Grey was spot on, and the signing of Kodjia - £2-3M and sell for £12-15M was the best example of SL's philosophy of (if we buy we buy young value , develop and sell at a big profit) which we haven't yet equalled. Despite this a certain tedious poster continues to flog the line that SC didn't carry out SL's wishes when he actually has been the most successful at it. Clearly we are in a good (probably better) place under LJ now - in terms of whole club development- but had we completed on the deal on McGuire we would have made a hefty return.



I always assumed this was down to circles he worked in with people like Redknnapp. I would imagine there are always things going on behind closed doors between him and his mates.

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7 hours ago, Coppello said:

A short story of the 2015 summer transfer window: 

18th July 2015 - Harry Maguire bid rejected:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11726/9900976/hull-reject-bristol-city-bid-for-harry-maguire

3rd August 2015 - We're linked with signing Jesse Lingard for £2.5m (although I'm not sure if this was genuine!)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/football/144036/robins-on-gard/?fbclid=IwAR1aETBN9bVpM8o_8f4IEXsqqy3j6osJPDvjBs6Aj0CUrQbiC0nyniuA3N8

12th August 2015 - Bid accepted for Dwight Gayle:

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/cotterill-confirms-gayle-bid-accepted/

18th August 2015 - Bid accepted for Andre Gray:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33974678

 

But it's okay, our saviour joined us in January:

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I have mixed feeling about this - would they have been as good if they had come to us …. who knows but we do have a history of bringing in marquee signings and rather than it raising the tide within the team we bring them down to our level. luckily those days are a bit behind us now we have the training facilities in place that these type of players need to stay at there best.

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6 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I doubt it - when Goater left us Michael Owen had played a whole season for Liverpool’s first team scoring 23 goals in 44 games and he had also already played for the senior England team ... we were actually linked with Owen on loan when we signed David James during the Steve Coppell debacle ...

It may have been before Goater then. Was definitely the season before he made his debut for Liverpool

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1 hour ago, paul_fox said:

It may have been before Goater then. Was definitely the season before he made his debut for Liverpool

The pre season of his Liverpool breakthrough (97/98 ?) year we played Liverpool in a pre season friendly at AG and 16/17 yr old Michael Owen scored at the East End. Is this what you are getting confused with. Owen was always highly regarded and no way would Liverpool have loaned him out.

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Christ. If Fredericks worked out and we managed to get Maguire and Limgard over the line. 

Hurts a little bit - especially with THAT squad. 

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8 hours ago, CodeRed said:

I've always thought Cotts was a good judge of a player,  his recruitment to put the L1 championship team together was faultless Wilbs Smith Little Ayling Freeman etc for very little money ,  for the Championship his identification of McGuire Grey was spot on, and the signing of Kodjia - £2-3M and sell for £12-15M was the best example of SL's philosophy of (if we buy we buy young value , develop and sell at a big profit) which we haven't yet equalled. Despite this a certain tedious poster continues to flog the line that SC didn't carry out SL's wishes when he actually has been the most successful at it. Clearly we are in a good (probably better) place under LJ now - in terms of whole club development- but had we completed on the deal on McGuire we would have made a hefty return.

Unfortunately for SC, Steve Lansdown didn’t agree  with you CR.

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I can’t remember if it was Maguire or not, but I do remember us trying to sign a defender for about £2.5m, agreeing personal terms, and then trying to go back and knock down the fee. The selling club then quite rightly told us to do one. Could all have been rumours of course.

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3 hours ago, nebristolred said:

I can’t remember if it was Maguire or not, but I do remember us trying to sign a defender for about £2.5m, agreeing personal terms, and then trying to go back and knock down the fee. The selling club then quite rightly told us to do one. Could all have been rumours of course.

That was Maguire, and it was a decision taken above SC's head to start ******* about with the fee. 

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What people tend to forget about these deals are that the fees may have been agreed with the clubs but the player would still need to want to come to us and I couldn't see that with any of them to be honest.

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59 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

That was Maguire, and it was a decision taken above SC's head to start ******* about with the fee. 

That messing about with the price happens all the time and to most if not all clubs do this! It’s not unique to us!

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We were close to signing Hudson-Odoi on loan last summer, could be one to miss out on.

If I remember under Millen we were linked with some names who became big players, can't remember who exactly.

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12 minutes ago, Big C said:

What people tend to forget about these deals are that the fees may have been agreed with the clubs but the player would still need to want to come to us and I couldn't see that with any of them to be honest.

The rumour is that Cotts had agreed fees and wages (for both Maguire and Gray) prior to going on holiday and Pelling then tried to a better deal.

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17 minutes ago, Selred said:

We were close to signing Hudson-Odoi on loan last summer, could be one to miss out on.

If I remember under Millen we were linked with some names who became big players, can't remember who exactly.

If he came here he would've turned into Jonathan Leko no doubt. We're good at taking players on loan but we don't seem to have too much success with wingers. 

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24 minutes ago, Chris_Brown said:

Any evidence Maguire, Gray, Gayle or any of the others would have ever wanted to come here?

Only the fairly substantial rumour re Maguire and Gray.

Gayle never wanted to, but came down out of courtesy.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

The rumour is that Cotts had agreed fees and wages (for both Maguire and Gray) prior to going on holiday and Pelling then tried to a better deal.

Exactly my understanding too, what a cock up

 

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1 hour ago, old_eastender said:

Exactly my understanding too, what a cock up

 

Am still in two minds as to whether the signings at the fees and wages mooted might have pushed us towards FFP danger. Might being this operative word though.

Especially had the signings meant Reid and Flint didn't come on as they did depriving us of some vital income to keep on the right side.

OTOH we could've gone up within the 3 years and no problem, especially as we could've built on the seemingly excellent spine, League One combined with these. Maybe Fredericks stays too in that scenario.

If no promotion within 2 or 2 and a half years say, they're sold- an insurance policy if you will.

Either way, a big fork in the road within our recent history.

What were the mooted fees and wages BTW? Can't really remember.

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9 hours ago, Clarky89 said:

Christ. If Fredericks worked out and we managed to get Maguire and Limgard over the line. 

Hurts a little bit - especially with THAT squad. 

Imagine Fredericks at RB in this squad now...

3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The rumour is that Cotts had agreed fees and wages (for both Maguire and Gray) prior to going on holiday and Pelling then tried to a better deal.

Add Jamie Murphy to that too

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Am still in two minds as to whether the signings at the fees and wages mooted might have pushed us towards FFP danger. Might being this operative word though.

Especially had the signings meant Reid and Flint didn't come on as they did depriving us of some vital income to keep on the right side.

OTOH we could've gone up within the 3 years and no problem, especially as we could've built on the seemingly excellent spine, League One combined with these. Maybe Fredericks stays too in that scenario.

If no promotion within 2 or 2 and a half years say, they're sold- an insurance policy if you will.

Either way, a big fork in the road within our recent history.

What were the mooted fees and wages BTW? Can't really remember.

From memory, £4m / £14k for Gray, £2.5m / £10k (really can’t remember this bit) for Maguire.

Suspect Maguire would’ve come in for Williams, not Flint.

I’m not sure we would’ve signed Kodjia had Gray come as agreed by Cotts holiday.  Don’t believe he was a Cotts signing, more one from the recruitment team.

We spent a fair bit on loans that season as a result....Bennett, Baker, Moore, Hamer, Robinson all pre-Xmas. 

14 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Imagine Fredericks at RB in this squad now...

Add Jamie Murphy to that too

Shows what a good eye Cotts had.

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18 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

From memory, £4m / £14k for Gray, £2.5m / £10k (really can’t remember this bit) for Maguire.

Suspect Maguire would’ve come in for Williams, not Flint.

I’m not sure we would’ve signed Kodjia had Gray come as agreed by Cotts holiday.  Don’t believe he was a Cotts signing, more one from the recruitment team.

We spent a fair bit on loans that season as a result....Bennett, Baker, Moore, Hamer, Robinson all pre-Xmas. 

Shows what a good eye Cotts had.

I suspect you're underestimating the wages on both deals, and also, wasn't it reported we had a bid of £9m accepted for Gray? Where did £4m come from?

I think the Maguire fee is about right.

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11 hours ago, Clarky89 said:

Christ. If Fredericks worked out 

Hurts a little bit - especially with THAT squad. 

 

1 hour ago, petehinton said:

Imagine Fredericks at RB in this squad now...

I believe we can thank a certain Mark Little for that.

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2 hours ago, Coxy27 said:

I suspect you're underestimating the wages on both deals, and also, wasn't it reported we had a bid of £9m accepted for Gray? Where did £4m come from?

I think the Maguire fee is about right.

All the following is rumoured so you can take whatever you want.

You’re forgetting that this all went on earlier in the summer.  As it was rumoured, we agreed £4m / £14k for Gray...would’ve been a good Fee for Brentford and good wage improvement for Gray.  Burnley not in the frame at this point.

By the time Cotts had returned from hols, Pelling had tried to undercut fee and wages and Brentford started looking for other suitors.

Over the summer Burnley became interested and the fee went up to £6m (supply and demand) as has Gray’s wage demands to £18k.

Finally we tried for £6m plus £3m add-ons....was never £9m Flat.  Similar for Gayle, once Gray looked like it was falling through. Gray decided Burnley the better choice for progressing his career.  Gray even started the season at Brentford as we well know (2-4 defeat with Freeman red card).

Shame.

 

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33 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

All the following is rumoured so you can take whatever you want.

You’re forgetting that this all went on earlier in the summer.  As it was rumoured, we agreed £4m / £14k for Gray...would’ve been a good Fee for Brentford and good wage improvement for Gray.  Burnley not in the frame at this point.

By the time Cotts had returned from hols, Pelling had tried to undercut fee and wages and Brentford started looking for other suitors. 

Over the summer Burnley became interested and the fee went up to £6m (supply and demand) as has Gray’s wage demands to £18k. 

Finally we tried for £6m plus £3m add-ons....was never £9m Flat.  Similar for Gayle, once Gray looked like it was falling through. Gray decided Burnley the better choice for progressing his career.  Gray even started the season at Brentford as we well know (2-4 defeat with Freeman red card). 

Shame.

 

Maybe Cotts overstepped his bounds and Pelling was having to reign it back? Having a manager negotiate player deals as little as four years ago seems a nonsense. Yes they should have an input especially on contract length and player value, but leave the suits to ultimately handle the finances. From the outside it seems we are much more professional in our dealings nowadays.

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53 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Maybe Cotts overstepped his bounds and Pelling was having to reign it back? Having a manager negotiate player deals as little as four years ago seems a nonsense. Yes they should have an input especially on contract length and player value, but leave the suits to ultimately handle the finances. From the outside it seems we are much more professional in our dealings nowadays.

Quite possibly.  We don’t know how involved Pelling was in those pre-holiday discussions.  As I said a lot of rumour....but Cotts wasn’t half pissy in Portugal 😜

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19 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Quite possibly.  We don’t know how involved Pelling was in those pre-holiday discussions.  As I said a lot of rumour....but Cotts wasn’t half pissy in Portugal 😜

 

20 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Quite possibly.  We don’t know how involved Pelling was in those pre-holiday discussions.  As I said a lot of rumour....but Cotts wasn’t half pissy in Portugal 😜

was he fully pissed?

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On 09/06/2019 at 22:09, CodeRed said:

I've always thought Cotts was a good judge of a player,  his recruitment to put the L1 championship team together was faultless Wilbs Smith Little Ayling Freeman etc for very little money ,  for the Championship his identification of McGuire Grey was spot on, and the signing of Kodjia - £2-3M and sell for £12-15M was the best example of SL's philosophy of (if we buy we buy young value , develop and sell at a big profit) which we haven't yet equalled. Despite this a certain tedious poster continues to flog the line that SC didn't carry out SL's wishes when he actually has been the most successful at it. Clearly we are in a good (probably better) place under LJ now - in terms of whole club development- but had we completed on the deal on McGuire we would have made a hefty return.

Totally agree could attract a decent player unlike some i can think of.

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