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How many true club legends do we have?

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Reading the fantastic Peter John Atyeo thread (never knew his first name was Peter before) has led me to ponder how many legends we have.

Ok, so this is very subjective, and unless I'm mistaken, there is no clear definition for a Club Legend.

But who can we all agree on?

I'll start with John Atyeo as the clear and obvious, and will add Brian Tinnion to the list as my personal club legend.  I feel that Tinman has to be a legend, due to time served as a quality player for us, and for his continuing work with the City youth players.  I'll forgive him his time as a manager!

Clearly there are many others in the history of City - but I don't want to start this thread just listing them from my wobbly memory, so who would you suggest?

 

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Some Wedlock bloke from a few years back?  Never seen him play but OTIB were very critical of his early games.

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28 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Some Wedlock bloke from a few years back?  Never seen him play but OTIB were very critical of his early games.

My father saw him play and told me he was a very good footballer. To get the number of England caps he did, even in those far off days, tells me that, without doubt, he deserves to be a City legend.

10 minutes ago, Eastside Moonwalker said:

Mo Eisa, Garita, Evander Sno, Ryan Fredericks, Gustav Engvall and Stefan Marinovic

Didn't take long for the idiots to join in!

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The L1 promotion squad had a special feel about it, without any individual club legends. Flint closest.

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39 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Some Wedlock bloke from a few years back?  Never seen him play but OTIB were very critical of his early games.

One for the future?

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Paulton Red said:

Alan Dicks would probably be in there

Yes for getting us to the top tier.

No for the lunacy of the 8 to 11 year contracts he persuaded the board to agree to.

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2 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said:

Tinnion, Murray and Carey in my time of watching. 

 

Murray the closest but quite legendary status.

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Marina Dolman's Rolls.

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Carey is seldom the first name that springs to mind when threads such as this arise on OTIB. For some reason fans, including me, never seemed to warm to him as much as they have say, to Scotty.

Louis of course deserves recognition in everyone’s list. 

John Galley would always make my own top twenty as would Chris Garland.

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Anybody with over 400 appearances which means roughly over 10 years at the club could be a good place to start

1 Louis Carey1995–2004; 2005–2014, 646

2 John Atyeo1951–1966, 645

3 Trevor Tainton1967–1982.  581

4 Brian Tinnion1993–2005, 551

5 Tom Ritchie1972–1981; 1983–1985, 504

6 Gerry Sweeney1971–1981, 490

7 Rob Newman1981–1991, 483

8 Gerry Gow1969–1981, 445

9 Geoff Merrick1967–1982, 433

10 Scott Murray1997–2003; 2004–2009 , 427

 

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10 minutes ago, Big C said:

Anybody with over 400 appearances which means roughly over 10 years at the club could be a good place to start

1 Louis Carey1995–2004; 2005–2014, 646

2 John Atyeo1951–1966, 645

3 Trevor Tainton1967–1982.  581

4 Brian Tinnion1993–2005, 551

5 Tom Ritchie1972–1981; 1983–1985, 504

6 Gerry Sweeney1971–1981, 490

7 Rob Newman1981–1991, 483

8 Gerry Gow1969–1981, 445

9 Geoff Merrick1967–1982, 433

10 Scott Murray1997–2003; 2004–2009 , 427

 

I guess it’s how the word ‘legend’ is interpreted.

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There's a difference between a "legend" and a "cult hero". There's also naturally a huge amount of subjectivity and context to be taken into account. In my opinion for example Atyeo is a legend, Flint is more of a cult hero.

Take Carey. He's the record appearance holder so as some here say should naturally be on the list. However, how many of those final 20 or so appearances were...how do you say this..."token" appearances given to him to get him over the line? Just as an example number 646 was an 87th minute sub appearance made when we were 4-1 up at home to Stevenage. Now even without appearances such as that he'd still be number 2 on the list, he'd still be a club developed player, and he'd still have been part of a promotion side, but you need to look at broader context.

For what it is worth this is a link to the "Hall of Fame" on the OS. https://www.bcfc.co.uk/teams/hall-of-fame/ most of those already mentioned are in there, along with the likes of Eisentrager, Mickey Bell, Cheesley and others.

 

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To me the word ‘legend’ applies only to those players who fans still talk about years after they’ve retired and to me, not having seen Atyeo actually play only one springs immediately to mind - Gerry Gow RIP.

I have to say that the other player who I would consider close to legendary status would be Scot Murray. 

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4 minutes ago, Robbored said:

To me the word ‘legend’ applies only to those players who fans still talk about years after they’ve retired and to me, not having seen Atyeo actually play only one springs immediately to mind - Gerry Gow RIP.

I have to say that the other player who I would consider close to legendary status would be Scot Murray. 

Bingo. You have to be something real special to be considered a club legend. It’s a term that gets thrown around too much these day. Might be harsh, but I’d say the only 3 below are considered club legends. Yes you could add Billy Wedlock. 

John Atyeo

Gerry Gow

Scott Murray 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, alandicks said:

Surely the promotion team of 1976 as a whole ?

 

7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

To me the word ‘legend’ applies only to those players who fans still talk about years after they’ve retired and to me, not having seen Atyeo actually play only one springs immediately to mind - Gerry Gow RIP.

I have to say that the other player who I would consider close to legendary status would be Scot Murray. 

Talk to almost any fan from the 70s about that promotion team and the first player they invariably mention is Gerry Gow.

Bearing in mind that there were a few players in that team that could justifiably be considered as "legends" - Tim Richie, Geoff Merrick and the often forgotten Trevor Tainton - Gerry Gow stood out as somehow representing the heartbeat of that team. He also had connection with fans that few players have replicated since.

 

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To me legendary players are those that still get talked about with high praise many, many years after they leave the club. 

Different for everyone I guess, and this is my personal interpretation, so if I am lucky enough to have grandchildren I'll tell them about 

Aden Flint 

Aaron Wilbraham 

Albert Adomah 

Lewis Carey 

My father in law will tell them about the players before my time 

Edit. Korey Smith ... maybe JET if I'm.feeling particularity nostalgic. 

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15 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Jacki?

What?          :rofl2br:

Remind me how goals he scored for City..........:cool2:

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3 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

To me legendary players are those that still get talked about with high praise many, many years after they leave the club. 

Different for everyone I guess, and this is my personal interpretation, so if I am lucky enough to have grandchildren I'll tell them about 

Aden Flint 

Aaron Wilbraham 

Albert Adomah 

Lewis Carey 

My father in law will tell them about the players before my time 

I don’t talk about any of those  - nowhere near legendary status imv.

 

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5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

What?          :rofl2br:

Remind me how goals he scored for City..........:cool2:

Don't know but I just thought he was a bit of a legend with City fans. I don't decide who is a legend.

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Although I haven’t seen most of them play...

Atyeo

Gow

AG8

Terry Cooper

Carey

They are all City legends for different reasons.

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7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I don’t talk about any of those  - nowhere near legendary status imv.

 

Fair enough, best players I've seen at the gate but I'm not as old as some of you lot!

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1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

There's a difference between a "legend" and a "cult hero". There's also naturally a huge amount of subjectivity and context to be taken into account. In my opinion for example Atyeo is a legend, Flint is more of a cult hero.

Take Carey. He's the record appearance holder so as some here say should naturally be on the list. However, how many of those final 20 or so appearances were...how do you say this..."token" appearances given to him to get him over the line? Just as an example number 646 was an 87th minute sub appearance made when we were 4-1 up at home to Stevenage. Now even without appearances such as that he'd still be number 2 on the list, he'd still be a club developed player, and he'd still have been part of a promotion side, but you need to look at broader context.

For what it is worth this is a link to the "Hall of Fame" on the OS. https://www.bcfc.co.uk/teams/hall-of-fame/ most of those already mentioned are in there, along with the likes of Eisentrager, Mickey Bell, Cheesley and others.

 

I prefer hall of fame. Legend means different things to different people. 

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9 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Don't know but I just thought he was a bit of a legend with City fans. I don't decide who is a legend.

Absolute waste of space. A few tricks and the occasional 30 yard shot was all he was about.  He had no idea what ‘team’ meant.

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Norman was pretty legendary (in my book) I remember him signing and thinking, **** me! A real big star and household football name has signed for us. This just doesn't happen :laugh:. it's all about people's personal memories if you ask me. I think we've had lots of legends through the years.

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17 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Don't know but I just thought he was a bit of a legend with City fans. I don't decide who is a legend.

Robbored is the Craig Revell-Horwood of legend judging.

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As usual, some really good comments, cheers all. 

There's definitely a lot of cult icons appearing on the thread - like Jacki for example, and yep I'd say Flint is a cult icon.  It seems that Super Scotty Murray is getting quite a few nods as a Legend, which sounds fair to me.

 

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