chinapig Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 23 minutes ago, paul_fox said: They're signing another defender from Belgium. Definitely won't be going for Webster now . They're doing a Fulham this season! Not according to this guy. Reads like a fan whitewashing them. Note there is no reference to selling their ground. https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2019/jul/11/aston-villa-mistakes-fulham-summer-transfer-window-signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jin Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 Just because they're spending close to 100m doesn't mean they're going to do a Fulham and go down There's much more to it than that. Glad that it's looking like we're keeping Webster though, if we can get a quality striker and another CM then we could be right up there this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppello Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 15 hours ago, 29AR said: The sell on is a percentage of what the club you sold to receives in totality. If Ipswich sold their sell on, then Pompey would get a % of that and the chain to Pompey and Ipswich would be broken This @Davefevs. The player also needs to be continually sold at a profit for the chain to continue. If the player is sold for a loss the chain would stop and no future sell-on would be received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted July 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, CityLew said: Just because they're spending close to 100m doesn't mean they're going to do a Fulham and go down There's much more to it than that. Glad that it's looking like we're keeping Webster though, if we can get a quality striker and another CM then we could be right up there this season! Me personally I hope they get relegated I will laugh my knackers off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 Let's hope it's Fulham Mk. 2 eh! I think a key problem for Fulham was too many players too soon, a lot of the individuals actually had a reasonable background, technical ability etc- but yes the churn a big problem and none more so when promoted- so let's hope this big push heralds a big collapse and problems in 2020/21- points deduction for their ground sale not falling within PL regs next Spring, wouldn't go amiss either! More importantly, if they sign this CB too then Webster is surely off the table, as far as Aston Villa concerned at least. This Belgiam CB will take it to 5, which they may well want due to Chester injuries- so far it's Chester-Mings-Hause-Konsa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 I hate Villa as much as the next guy but they had quite a thin squad especially defensively. Fulham bought good players to replace who got them there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: I hate Villa as much as the next guy but they had quite a thin squad especially defensively. Fulham bought good players to replace who got them there. I know we moan a bit about our squad being the same as last season because we’ve replaced outgoing loans with incoming permies, but I do think Villa are treading a dangerous game. They are supplementing their squad with some top end Champ / foreign players on the cheap....they are building a squad, and spending £80-100m doing it, because they had several loans last year, and also players with contracts expiring too. Mings for Mings Hause for Hause Do we even know whether those two are good enough to keep Villa out of relegation trouble. Wesley for Abraham Is Wesley good enough to replace Tammy who you might argue is suspect pedigree at Prem level. I don’t look at Villa’s loan model and compare it to Wolves loan model. They haven’t got a Nevez, they won’t be able to recruit a Raul or a Moutinho. I think Villa are storing up problems. Targett is a sensible signing, I’ll give them that. If they get relegated they will come back down with a heap of problems because they’ve gone up under financial difficulty. I’m not saying we are perfect, but we could get promo’d with our current squad - where all players are ours - and not spend much trying to stay up, and come down with £100m + 2 years parachute payments, but no FFP issues....ready to “go again”. We have taken 2 seasons positioning ourselves to be financially ready. Our squad isn’t quite ready unless we get the wind behind us, clutch in, but who knows. It would be sweet to pass Villa on our way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, billywedlock said: Dean S has signed a lot of players he knows well, that is very different to Fulham. Agreed. They had to sign a number as they released a big group, big earners too. I don't doubt they will struggle, but at least they have signed players with some desire to prove themselves, not journeymen Prem players who won't care when it gets tough. Yes, I guess the point is despite these incomings are they any stronger than they were last season and if yes, is that sufficiently stronger to compete. They certainly cannot afford a quick return to the Champ though, Which is a strong chance and they are not going to do a Wolves. I certainly doubt it!! Our season will depend on the next 2 signings (at least in terms of improving on last year) but we should be a good top 10 side again, flirting for most of the season with a play off place. That is still good solid stuff for us as a selling club. We not got our annual injection of Chelsea second string yet either. Yes, one maybe two players could provide significant uplift. If this is a loan or two, so be it. As much as I fancy the idea of Neketia (parallels with Cole), I would like us to follow the Dasilva model of agreeing a fee too...as it protects us just being a development team. I was watching the video of the players yesterday and for a split second or so I thought there was a new guy in the pool...that looked like Shane Long. On rewind and freeze frame it was Pato. But it made me think that if you could get someone (or two) of that quality (not necessarily Long himself) for the right wage contribution and fee agreed, that could give us a serious chance. On an aside wonder what the buy back clause is for Man City’s Luiz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norn Iron Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 20 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said: So Common Law is named after Alf? I did not know that. Sorry Rudolf, I was trying to be funny in line with the other quote! At least you got where I was coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 23 hours ago, CiderHider said: Trololo Poor Villa, they signed some no one from Brentford cuz they cud'nt get Webinho, Say goodnight to the troops Gracie ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Red Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9504235/man-utd-world-record-80m-maguire-transfer-leicester-defender-medical-tomorrow/#Echobox=1563107625 Let's see what happens now, mentions Dunk as replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswoodactor Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 I honestly can't see Brighton spending the 25 million quid that we'd want, to sign him. Their previous record buy is 17 million right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Kingswoodactor said: I honestly can't see Brighton spending the 25 million quid that we'd want, to sign him. Their previous record buy is 17 million right? True, but then they've never sold a player for £45m either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswoodactor Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Northern Red said: True, but then they've never sold a player for £45m either. Someone like Lascelles or Ben Mee would make more sense then, given they were in a relegation fight last season. Buying their 2nd EFL CB would be very very risky, when having the Dunk money to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, Kingswoodactor said: I honestly can't see Brighton spending the 25 million quid that we'd want, to sign him. Their previous record buy is 17 million right? Potter should go for Van der Horn.....pleeeaaaaassssssseee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire reds Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 football has gone made 80m for harry and 45 m for Dunk. only average at best these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 55 minutes ago, Kingswoodactor said: Someone like Lascelles or Ben Mee would make more sense then, given they were in a relegation fight last season. Buying their 2nd EFL CB would be very very risky, when having the Dunk money to spend. Wasnt the lad they signed their Dunk replacement anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said: football has gone made 80m for harry and 45 m for Dunk. only average at best these two. You pay a premium for English players though due to quota restrictions, agree that if they were any other nationality their true value would be 50% of these figures at most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Dolman_Stand said: You pay a premium for English players though due to quota restrictions, agree that if they were any other nationality their true value would be 50% of these figures at most And I suspect clubs are looking at what may happen in the event of a no deal Brexit and targeting home players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Hampshire reds said: football has gone made 80m for harry and 45 m for Dunk. only average at best these two. that's a lot of harry dunk ……... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Kingswoodactor said: I honestly can't see Brighton spending the 25 million quid that we'd want, to sign him. Their previous record buy is 17 million right? No chance they will spend that money and no way he'd go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 punk Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 webster was born near brighton is that enough of a pull for him ( and the wages and premier football ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 55 minutes ago, 77 punk said: webster was born near brighton is that enough of a pull for him ( and the wages and premier football ) Ideal move for him, if they were interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Can see Brighton offering >£20m if they get the rumoured £45m for Dunk.... Hopefully, we can still say “no” but at some stage, AW may decide that he wants to give the Prem a go and “push” for a move?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said: Can see Brighton offering >£20m if they get the rumoured £45m for Dunk.... Hopefully, we can still say “no” but at some stage, AW may decide that he wants to give the Prem a go and “push” for a move?! Isnt the price £30m? I would think he would be gone if we got an offer at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Isnt the price £30m? I would think he would be gone if we got an offer at that level. The £30m price tag imposed by SL was to put perspective buyers off but if a club comes up with that amount then it’ll be goodbye Webdini........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Brighton signed a CB recently didn’t they so can’t see why they want another even if Dunk goes I have a feeling that Everton & Southampton are the ones likely to make a move and stump up £25 - £30m for Webster to test our resolve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 21 hours ago, INCRED said: Brighton signed a CB recently didn’t they so can’t see why they want another even if Dunk goes I have a feeling that Everton & Southampton are the ones likely to make a move and stump up £25 - £30m for Webster to test our resolve And perhaps spending their Dunk money in other positions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: And perhaps spending their Dunk money in other positions? I’m sure I once heard this phrase during a stag weekend in Amsterdam ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswoodactor Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Brighton could get Lascelles or Mee/Tarkowski for 30 million. WTF would you go for another EFL player if you were Potter? Unless his wand has truly lodged itself right up his Dumbledore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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