Adam Webster - Update - Sold to Brighton

[old_eastender]

4 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Didn't realise the transfer window had ended. 

The timing is bad though. Can't help but think we should have taken Villa's offer of £17m+£5m add-ons and bought Ajayi when he was available at just £1.5m, he would then have had chance to gel with Kalas in the friendlies. As it is we may now panic buy, if reports of paying £7m for 29 year-old Clarke, who will have little sell on value at end of contract are to be believed. 

[Bristol Rob]

2 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Un-inverting the pyramid eh? What would Jonathan Wilson say?!

Anyway, I don't like your half backs. You need Gordon Parr, Terry Bush and Gordon Low in there. 

*well this post is going to go over the heads of 99% of posters*.

Look. It's based on the planet where Chocky came from.

[Superjack]

14 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said:

Good of you to apologise, but I can’t see for the life of me what there is for you to say sorry about. At the risk of repeating myself, for all that I understand the position of both club and player, I share your deep disappointment, for all the reasons you give. We’ll move on, but I believe LJ would have wanted to build the side around that central defensive partnership and, whilst we may still go on to have a good season, I suspect we’ll achieve less than we would have done if Webster could have been retained. We may also have to play in a somewhat different way, depending on who is brought in over what remains of this transfer window. Haven’t  been this dismayed by the departure of a player for a long time.

 

 

 

 

Cheer up flower.

If the Clarke rumours are true we will have more than enough CB cover. And with the money we can probably find a way to get the likes of Gayle if we do wish.

[chinapig]

3 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

*well this post is going to go over the heads of 99% of posters*.

Look. It's based on the planet where Chocky came from.

Are you implying that I'm old and can remember what half backs were? In which case you are right.

Anyway, you appear to have made a John Wyndham reference, which puts you in the same bracket as me!

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Un-inverting the pyramid eh? What would Jonathan Wilson say?!

Anyway, I don't like your half backs. You need Gordon Parr, Terry Bush and Gordon Low in there. 

those were the days my friend, great days at the footy......now its just the money

[BRISTOL86]

7 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

Totally take your point but, this is SL’s model , buy cheap, develop, then sell.

Not happy about it but it’s the way it is.

Out of curiosity what’s the alternative as you see it? I’m of course assuming you want to see us abide by the confines of FFP.

We don’t have anywhere near the revenue to be a club that buys big expensive marquee signings and not capitalise on our assets that we add value too when the opportunity arises. 

As far as I can tell the only alternative people suggest is refusing to sell your best players and gambling big on a good half season in January - as we could have done the last two years - but that’s essentially the equivalent of walking into the casino and chucking it all on red.

No one seems to have an answer for ‘what if it lands on black?’ - we could set ourselves back hugely if we did take that approach.

I understand people’s frustration but with our gates as they are I don’t think people can knock the model assuming we don’t just say ‘**** it’ to FFP, as realistically there isn’t a viable alternative.

It’s inconceivable that even the most model pro won’t have his head turned by an offer of 5 x their salary and a chance at playing in the ‘best league in the world’. 

Alternative is refuse all offers, have a player who doesn’t want to be here and risk losing them for nothing. We can’t afford to do that, and moreover we are clearly marketing ourselves as a club where excellent prospects can come and thrive - it’s not a bad place to be IMO. 

[ScottishRed]

2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Out of curiosity what’s the alternative as you see it? I’m of course assuming you want to see us abide by the confines of FFP.

We don’t have anywhere near the revenue to be a club that buys big expensive marquee signings and not capitalise on our assets that we add value too when the opportunity arises. 

As far as I can tell the only alternative people suggest is refusing to sell your best players and gambling big on a good half season in January - as we could have done the last two years - but that’s essentially the equivalent of walking into the casino and chucking it all on red.

No one seems to have an answer for ‘what if it lands on black?’ - we could set ourselves back hugely if we did take that approach.

I understand people’s frustration but with our gates as they are I don’t think people can knock the model assuming we don’t just say ‘**** it’ to FFP, as realistically there isn’t a viable alternative.

It’s inconceivable that even the most model pro won’t have his head turned by an offer of 5 x their salary and a chance at playing in the ‘best league in the world’. 

Alternative is refuse all offers, have a player who doesn’t want to be here and risk losing them for nothing. We can’t afford to do that, and moreover we are clearly marketing ourselves as a club where excellent prospects can come and thrive - it’s not a bad place to be IMO. 

You have answered your own question.

Of course his head will be turned and who came blame him.

The point I was making was that it’s a pity he will move on but, it’s football and very few clubs are not selling clubs, it’s the way it is.

[slartibartfast]

27 minutes ago, RedEd73 said:

67 and a half

And if you played them all, we'd still lose !

[Pezo]

23 minutes ago, glos old boy said:

For us to truly progress we should keep our best players and add to them; he aint been here 5mins what happened to building a team, or our we building other clubs teams first.

If you want to build something don't keep knocking it down, but hey we always do

Comments like this always remind me of not selling Marvin Elliott. Could have got £3m (when that was a lot) but because we didn't want to sell our best players we turned it down, I think we then gave him a new contract to keep him happy and he stayed here as a sick note for the next 3 seasons.

Basically you never know what is going to happen but if we get bids that meet the valuation then we should sell. No ones too good not to sell. 

[CiderHeadDan]

32 minutes ago, glos old boy said:

For us to truly progress we should keep our best players and add to them; he aint been here 5mins what happened to building a team, or our we building other clubs teams first.

If you want to build something don't keep knocking it down, but hey we always do

With all due respect, I don’t necessarily agree with this statement. 

Yes, every team wants to keep their players, but a team progresses by investing well and making that team work with what they have at their disposal. 

If you are getting over the value that a player is worth (something that I believe we are with the current Webster, no matter how much I rate him) then you have to take it.  I fully understand the market is very subjective and a player is worth want you want him to be, but you also have to be realistic.

Footballs a game of progression and if you reinvest the money well, it lays the foundation to cause sustainable progression, a philosophy we have quite rightly adopted. 

There are several factors that come in to play with this ethos - will the new player gel in time? Does the player have the right mentality to succeed at your club? Will the wages of the new targets fit into the structure etc...

However, I’d rather this philosophy as it allows you spread the risk on players as it enables you to invest and improve the squad in a number of areas (which also has more potential to improve in the future). Webster could quite easily get a long term injury and the 20-30million we would get from him would of been better of spent by improving the whole squad instead of one position.

this is obviously just a personal opinion as I’m someone who believes in investing in youth and planning for the future, instead of keeping loyal to players you have created a connection with. When Cardiff got promoted the last time, I wouldn’t of wanted their business model, however they succeeded one way or another, so I’m not necessarily saying I’m wrong, just saying I don’t believe that that ethos will work for us.

 

 

[Bristol Rob]

2 minutes ago, Pezo said:

Comments like this always remind me of not selling Marvin Elliott. Could have got £3m (when that was a lot) but because we didn't want to sell our best players we turned it down, I think we then gave him a new contract to keep him happy and he stayed here as a sick note for the next 3 seasons.

Basically you never know what is going to happen but if we get bids that meet the valuation then we should sell. No ones too good not to sell. 

Did similar happen with Aaron Brown?

 

[chinapig]

Just now, Pezo said:

Comments like this always remind me of not selling Marvin Elliott. Could have got £3m (when that was a lot) but because we didn't want to sell our best players we turned it down, I think we then gave him a new contract to keep him happy and he stayed here as a sick note for the next 3 seasons.

Basically you never know what is going to happen but if we get bids that meet the valuation then we should sell. No ones too good not to sell. 

Yes, it was that kind of thing that led Steve to make his remark about not getting so attached to players. The club and its approach have been transformed since then thankfully.

1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

Did similar happen with Aaron Brown?

 

Yes, and Clayton Fortune!

[Silvio Dante]

I think, in absolute fairness, a professional footballer moving for life changing money (or let’s be honest, 3x a very good current salary), has a different consideration from day to day occupations. 

If, say, I’m an accountant and about to treble my salary, my work at my old firm doesn’t need to suffer - I can still draw up accounts in my prior company and it doesn’t risk my new job through injury. 

For footballers, it does. See Ryan Shawcross - pre season, snaps leg. See also Janneh - loan move gone through blind luck

I’d love it if Webster put 100% in every week in pre season and ongoing. However, if he knows a move is close, it’s human nature not to risk that. I’m not sure that loses him my respect - what would is if it fell through and he didn’t play well. To me, the absolute parallel here, although never a fan as a player, was Flint. Wanted a move pre 17/18 (and nowhere near as close as Webster), but when turned down came back and played. No reason to suspect Webster would be different, but also don’t see that any of us would risk 3x current income in a meaningless game (would change that view if clearly not putting it in vs Leeds if still here)

[Wolf Island]

Gone. Lock the thread

[ScottishRed]

4 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I think, in absolute fairness, a professional footballer moving for life changing money (or let’s be honest, 3x a very good current salary), has a different consideration from day to day occupations. 

If, say, I’m an accountant and about to treble my salary, my work at my old firm doesn’t need to suffer - I can still draw up accounts in my prior company and it doesn’t risk my new job through injury. 

For footballers, it does. See Ryan Shawcross - pre season, snaps leg. See also Janneh - loan move gone through blind luck

I’d love it if Webster put 100% in every week in pre season and ongoing. However, if he knows a move is close, it’s human nature not to risk that. I’m not sure that loses him my respect - what would is if it fell through and he didn’t play well. To me, the absolute parallel here, although never a fan as a player, was Flint. Wanted a move pre 17/18 (and nowhere near as close as Webster), but when turned down came back and played. No reason to suspect Webster would be different, but also don’t see that any of us would risk 3x current income in a meaningless game (would change that view if clearly not putting it in vs Leeds if still here)

If this is still on going, and I doubt it will be, he is not playing Sunday.

[ScottishRed]

3 minutes ago, Westcountry Robins said:

Gone. Lock the thread

Do tell ?

[Robin101]

It is obviously disappointing to lose him, but 20-25 million is crazy money. I'm sorry, he's a good player but... was he really that good? 

[Bristol Rob]

3 minutes ago, Robin101 said:

It is obviously disappointing to lose him, but 20-25 million is crazy money. I'm sorry, he's a good player but... was he really that good? 

He is but one.

Bryan, Reid and Flint were many - and we improved.

[BobBobSuperBob]

25 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

Do tell ?

They are about tonight !

School holidays

[Fpcity]

36 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Yes, it was that kind of thing that led Steve to make his remark about not getting so attached to players. The club and its approach have been transformed since then thankfully.

Yes, and Clayton Fortune!

Clayton was quite alot wasn't it for the time? 

[Bristol Rob]

6 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

Clayton was quite alot wasn't it for the time? 

Three Quarters of a million to Preston if memory serves.

[Scrumpylegs]

If we're offered £25 million we'd be crazy not to sell. Sometimes people lose sight of how much money that actually is! To put that in perspective we'd have to sell 71,429 season tickets to get that money (at £350 each).

[Judda]

7 minutes ago, Scrumpylegs said:

If we're offered £25 million we'd be crazy not to sell. Sometimes people lose sight of how much money that actually is! To put that in perspective we'd have to sell 71,429 season tickets to get that money (at £350 each).

Exactly. Although it's common knowledge that players wages are the main cost...

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, petehinton said:

£20m + £5m add ons, Matt Clarke loaned to us as part, Kasey Palmer joining permanent for £3m, Moore in for £3m and want another 'pacey' striker in on loan

Who is leaving RD....that’s a 30+ first team squad!

2 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

And for all those whooping with joy at the money 

Even if we make signings in the next 10 days 

 

LJ has the task of drilling them , and moulding them into a side in the same period

@marmite made a comment earlier about pre-season and was shouted down , but he has a point

 

We have a coach who is quite complicated in his set ups and particular way of playing

So to get a side gelled with a view to hit the top six this season is some ask.......

I do know that LJ’s team movement is very precise, but I think he uses that as a get-out clause for players who don’t get regular minutes.

Kalas was thrown straight in v Swansea.  Brownhill and O’Dowda were too v Wigan.

2 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I don’t blame the Club Len

If Webster , as it appears has gone all wobbly at the enticement of a Gold Plated Range Rover , we have little option , especially with the money on offer

I would think LJ is majorly pissed off

Do you see any signs of it being similar to Cotts in 15/16.

[NcnsBcfc]

On 01/07/2019 at 13:00, ncnsbcfc said:

Dont begrudge him Reg.

I'm sure he will go at some stage pre-season. However will he wait to see what choice of club he can go it; or jump at the first offer?

I'm sure he'll be guided by his agent. For us though, it would be better if this was sorted early doors. Rather than a week before the start of the season.

The annoying thing about this whole Webster saga. Is that it appears that we've known about him probably going all summer. But now it looks to be happening, we want to bring in 4 players.

I understand the reasoning behind replacing him at cb. But are we now saying that signing the other 3 players was dependant on the money from a potential Webster transfer. If so, that goes against the "we're in a great shape financially" mantra that's been quoted through the summer.

In reality the vast majority of transfer fees paid, have been so far funded by the departures. If we are in such a great shape, why has the possible signings.been delayed?

We.know the problems up front with getting people in. But rb,Cm? It's all very strange.

Maybe we don't have the money to spend that people think we have after all?

[BobBobSuperBob]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Who is leaving RD....that’s a 30+ first team squad!

I do know that LJ’s team movement is very precise, but I think he uses that as a get-out clause for players who don’t get regular minutes.

True

Kalas was thrown straight in v Swansea.  Brownhill and O’Dowda were too v Wigan.

Fair point

Do you see any signs of it being similar to Cotts in 15/16.

No , not really Dave - similar level of frustration but for totally different reasons - if you listen to him today you can almost see his mind thinking what he’d do if he had an opportunity

 

[Redrascal2]

It seemed bad losing Aden Flint but Webster proved an inspired signing. Great work by the club to get him.Now he appears to be off. How many more rabbits can come out of the hat. Can't keep doing it. 

[BCFC Rich]

7 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said:

The annoying thing about this whole Webster saga. Is that it appears that we've known about him probably going all summer. But now it looks to be happening, we want to bring in 4 players.

I understand the reasoning behind replacing him at cb. But are we now saying that signing the other 3 players was dependant on the money from a potential Webster transfer. If so, that goes against the "we're in a great shape financially" mantra that's been quoted through the summer.

In reality the vast majority of transfer fees paid, have been so far funded by the departures. If we are in such a great shape, why has the possible signings.been delayed?

We.know the problems up front with getting people in. But rb,Cm? It's all very strange.

Maybe we don't have the money to spend that people think we have after all?

Could easily be a case of thinking Webster may go and we might have more money to spend. We could have spent money on someone already but were waiting to see if we could go for a more expensive target. 

[The Gambler]

What is the record fee for a championship player?

[AshtonGreat]

Complete shambles if he goes. Typical City