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Scotland Vs Argentina (Merged)

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2 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said:

Scotland were robbed. That is a truly awful thing to use VAR for. Should never happen again. 

Same call as one yesterday. Complete joke.

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Between this World Cup and the nations league I am very close to losing faith in the ‘professional game’.

Having played in goal to a decent level, you cannot stand rooted to your line. It’s impossible. 

To get booked for attempting to dive, which then means you are now very close to getting sent off if you do it again, pathetic.

What the **** is going on? It’s a game, you cannot legislate everything by VAR.

The game has gone to bollocks.

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She’s off the line for the second penalty, why wasn’t she sent off??

Bullshit.

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2 minutes ago, Posset red said:

Welcome to football 21 century slowly the game is getting killed bravo 

I really cannot believe what’s happened.

Giving the ball back after it accidentally hits the ref?

Who the **** cares?

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8 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said:

Scotland were robbed. That is a truly awful thing to use VAR for. Should never happen again. 

Disgusting. What the **** are FIFA playing at? 

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French goal from retaken penalty the other night... definite encroachment. 

Was it spotted? Was it ****

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1 minute ago, myol'man said:

French goal from retaken penalty the other night... definite encroachment. 

Was it spotted? Was it ****

Was it ignored ? **** yeah.

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There’s no point in the keeper any more for penalties unless the ball goes down the middle. 

Its a joke, VAR is killing football

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18 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said:

Scotland were robbed. That is a truly awful thing to use VAR for. Should never happen again. 

I thought the decisions (to the letter of the law) were correct 

But that business with the added time was nuts, Ironically it instantly took the sting out of a tense finish as both sides could not believe the referee 

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5 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

There’s no point in the keeper any more for penalties unless the ball goes down the middle. 

Its a joke, VAR is killing football

What kills it even more is the fact that you get booked!! Why the **** are you going to try and dive again when someone in a ******* trailer outside will tell the ref to send you off.

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2 minutes ago, phantom said:

I thought the decisions (to the letter of the law) were correct 

But that business with the added time was nuts, Ironically it instantly took the sting out of a tense finish as both sides could not believe the referee 

Rules are a bag of shit.

Unnecessary, who has thought of all this crap over the last 18 months?

ive had enough.

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Interesting one on the keepers. Got to say the standard of keeping has improved beyond belief.

With the penalties, keepers have had it all their way for a long time. They’ve effectively been ‘rushing’ penalty takers. Now just got to re-learn diving from a stationary position. Difficult, but not impossible. Clearly, gives the advantage back to the taker with the likelihood of added goals and more excitement. 

Enjoying watching a few matches. Skill levels are up their with the men, some really nice footwork on display. Even better, less cheating which is ruining the men’s game. 

 

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Just now, 054123 said:

Rules are a bag of shit.

Unnecessary, who has thought of all this crap over the last 18 months?

ive had enough.

Very true, luckily for a while longer we will escape it at our level (VAR) 

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The rule has changed, the Scottish keeper broke the rule. What on earth was supposed to happen? Bleating about it after the event and blaming the ref / var is just being a bad loser. 

Also, what the hell was the keeper doing on the retake? She was stood a t least a yard off centre, the ball went straight down the middle where she should have been, and she moved off the line again anyway !!!!!

That's not to say that this new rule isn't crap, and don't even get me started again on '''handball'''

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9 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

There’s no point in the keeper any more for penalties unless the ball goes down the middle. 

Its a joke, VAR is killing football

The 2nd pen did go down the middle....

Throwing away a 3 goal lead with 20mins to go, that's more unforgiveable.

As is the pathetic timekeeping after the pen when an extra 3 or 4 mins could've been added on following VAR.

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5 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

There’s no point in the keeper any more for penalties unless the ball goes down the middle. 

Its a joke, VAR is killing football

That’s a massive understatement! The way they are applying VAR is an absolute joke and the total opposite way they said it would be used, whatever happened to their ‘clear and obvious’ errors? They are checking everything over and over again to try and find the smallest of infringements to award penalties, goals, disallow goals, and in tonight’s case retake penalties. Things like Lingaard’s big toe being offside and Scotland’s keeper tonight are all that is wrong with VAR and why it’s suddenly spoilt what was a beautiful game, the Officials may aswell all be made redundant. 

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Yes but Scotland and Argentina knock each other out in the same match!  🤣

 

If Carlsberg did football results.....

 

 

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30 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Between this World Cup and the nations league I am very close to losing faith in the ‘professional game’.

Having played in goal to a decent level, you cannot stand rooted to your line. It’s impossible. 

To get booked for attempting to dive, which then means you are now very close to getting sent off if you do it again, pathetic.

What the **** is going on? It’s a game, you cannot legislate everything by VAR.

The game has gone to bollocks.

I've played in goal myself for the best part of 30 years (not at high levels though), and the last thing on my mind when facing a penalty is whether I'm stood on the goal line, too busy focussing on the kick itself.  Having said that some keepers have been taking the michael for years (remember Dudek in Champions League final 2005, nearly on the six-yard line on one of the ones he saved)

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5 minutes ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

I've played in goal myself for the best part of 30 years (not at high levels though), and the last thing on my mind when facing a penalty is whether I'm stood on the goal line, too busy focussing on the kick itself.  Having said that some keepers have been taking the michael for years (remember Dudek in Champions League final 2005, nearly on the six-yard line on one of the ones he saved)

Yep agree, but again like the handball rule, the rule is there to legislate against you ‘closing an attacker down’ not actually to make sure you stand on a line. Like handball the rule is there so you do not play it with arm or hand, not to make sure the ball never hits your arm or hand.

If course both are subjective, but it’s a game. By trying to use VAR to legislate on everything you are killing the thing that made it the most popular sport in the world.

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23 minutes ago, steveybadger said:

The rule has changed, the Scottish keeper broke the rule. What on earth was supposed to happen? Bleating about it after the event and blaming the ref / var is just being a bad loser. 

Also, what the hell was the keeper doing on the retake? She was stood a t least a yard off centre, the ball went straight down the middle where she should have been, and she moved off the line again anyway !!!!!

That's not to say that this new rule isn't crap, and don't even get me started again on '''handball'''

Correct, nobody disputes the retake.

The completely unnecessary rule change and the now obvious bag of shit that is VAR are the issues.

Its complete bollocks.

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2 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Yep agree, but again like the handball rule, the rule is there to legislate against you ‘closing an attacker down’ not actually to make sure you stand on a line. Like handball the rule is there so you do not play it with arm or hand, not to make sure the ball never hits your arm or hand.

If course both are subjective, but it’s a game. By trying to use VAR to legislate on everything you are killing the thing that made it the most popular sport in the world.

Yes - to be clear I'm not agreeing with the new rule entirely, if the keeper moves slightly off the line then so be it, if its yards off the line then by all means apply the rule.  At this rate, there will be little point having the keeper there as they would be scared to move for risk of sanction.

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4 minutes ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

Yes - to be clear I'm not agreeing with the new rule entirely, if the keeper moves slightly off the line then so be it, if its yards off the line then by all means apply the rule.  At this rate, there will be little point having the keeper there as they would be scared to move for risk of sanction.

Especially when they’ve been booked.

Imagine a keeper being sent off for that!! 

How does that offence in any way warrant restricting a team to 10 players?

Scandalous state of affairs. How do we change it?

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And this of course will only apply in grounds in this  country that have VAR!  What happened to the simple task of relying on the match officials? Again next season we will have the bizarre situation  in cup matches where VAR can be applied in one match but not another!

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2 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Especially when they’ve been booked.

Imagine a keeper being sent off for that!! 

How does that offence in any way warrant restricting a team to 10 players?

Scandalous state of affairs. How do we change it?

They will be too proud to scrap the rule (or bloody minded).  

I thought the French one the other evening was bad enough (even worse because it was a crap penalty that went wide initially).  If this is the shape of things to come in the Premier League next season, I for one will have to purchase a job lot of popcorn as it will be entertaining (for the entirely wrong reasons of course).

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What Keepers are being asked to do is illogical on a physical level. Diving requires downward force and foot movement = Feet leaving the line. Unless the dive is the first movement and the Keeper will not be able reach the extremes of the goal.

Penalty shoot outs will be?? If they are scrutinised this rigorously.

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5 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

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What Keepers are being asked to do is illogical on a physical level. Diving requires downward force and foot movement = Feet leaving the line. Unless the dive is the first movement and the Keeper will not be able reach the extremes of the goal.

Penalty shoot outs will be?? If they are scrutinised this rigorously.

That picture makes it look like the keeper’s left heel might be over the goal line (always hard to be sure if the picture is not in line). Does the rule say you have to have part of a foot actually on the line? If so, even more ridiculous than I thought.

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Never mind..........it was apparantly all the officials fault that the Scots got knocked out, and they will bounce back according to their captain?   World Cups and Scotland are a fatal cocktail, whatever the gender, so get used to a load more failure in the future. Bounce back from that, why don't you?

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30 minutes ago, 054123 said:

By trying to use VAR to legislate on everything you are killing the thing that made it the most popular sport in the world.

Could not agree more with this: a big part of the reason football is such a great sport is that goals are (generally) very valuable, so getting one (or preventing one, e.g. by a penalty save) is a big deal that warrants an explosive celebration. One of the worst things as a spectator is getting that moment of celebration then realising the goal’s been disallowed. There will be a lot more times in VAR world when a goal goes in and the fans’ reaction will be not to celebrate but to look at the ref to see if the goal should stand. Not nearly as much fun.

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31 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

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What Keepers are being asked to do is illogical on a physical level. Diving requires downward force and foot movement = Feet leaving the line. Unless the dive is the first movement and the Keeper will not be able reach the extremes of the goal.

Penalty shoot outs will be?? If they are scrutinised this rigorously.

The rule is ‘at least part of one foot must be on or in line with the goal line when the kick is taken”. Pretty sure part of her foot is breaking the goal line. Where is the clear and obvious error here? Even if the rule is fine, it’s interpretation here with VAR is nonsense.

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1 hour ago, 054123 said:

Between this World Cup and the nations league I am very close to losing faith in the ‘professional game’.

Having played in goal to a decent level, you cannot stand rooted to your line. It’s impossible. 

To get booked for attempting to dive, which then means you are now very close to getting sent off if you do it again, pathetic.

What the **** is going on? It’s a game, you cannot legislate everything by VAR.

The game has gone to bollocks.

I agree i thought v.a.r was only gonna be used for contentious decisions but its totally ruining the game Brazil had three goals disallowed due to v.a.r last night why the hell do you need a linesmen you have to wait five minutes now to see if the goal stands  rediculous .

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40 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

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What Keepers are being asked to do is illogical on a physical level. Diving requires downward force and foot movement = Feet leaving the line. Unless the dive is the first movement and the Keeper will not be able reach the extremes of the goal.

Penalty shoot outs will be?? If they are scrutinised this rigorously.

Looking at this part of her foot is in the line.

What a sad state of affairs that frame by frame replays are used to run a game.

And they still got it wrong!

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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Var is shit. 

My interest in football will wane if this sort of thing becomes a regular feature. 

Based on the picture above, every single penalty will be a retake. 

What an absolute crock of shit. 

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Keepers will change their starting point to a foot behind the goal line so they can still move forward to level.   Before this nonsense, 75% of penalties were scored. I think that’s fine as a percentage. It will get close to 90% I reckon.

Everyone loved VAR in principle but it was obvious the practise would ruin the game for me.

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I thought the rule about the keeper not being aloud of the line during a pen came in in about 2006,

they are just enforcing now due to var 

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I don't completely agree with it but at least with the Scotland one, the keeper actually saved the penalty. The one France had retaken the other night was even worse. The penalty taker put it wide and they pulled it back to be retaken as the keeper was a little off the line when she jumped (a few inches). Not a chance would that have made any significant impact on the penalty taker - it was just a terrible penalty. 

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Scotland keeper was off her line on first penalty, replays showed that. But as others have said if the player like France put it past the post or over the bar what difference does one step make. Second pen keeper started behind the line and one foot was just touching the line, but what about all the players in the box when it was taken, no consistency with how it’s being used.

 

Didn't want VAR in the first place and it’s now basically neutralising atmospheres at grounds. No one knows what’s going on or why games have been stopped and getting to the stage you can’t celebrate a goal.

I thought it was going to be used in clear and obvious decisions not every single incident in the match and decisions which need 50 views and angles to decide maybe it’s right or not.

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Commercial Modern football is now dead for me - this may well be my last season.

I've watched a few episodes of the Big Match during the week showing the games from the 70's, and I'm not joking I almost had a tear in my eye seeing what we are now missing out on.

I've already retired from watching International football, and that will hurt in the future.  But International football is no longer the same sport.

Non-league footie may well be the way forwards.

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What with all these VAR incidents,what happens to the fans who have trains to catch,or have to be at work at a certain time after a game,how the **** can you plan anything if there’s a chance there might be 10 -15 mins added time.

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13 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

Scotland keeper was off her line on first penalty, replays showed that. But as others have said if the player like France put it past the post or over the bar what difference does one step make. Second pen keeper started behind the line and one foot was just touching the line, but what about all the players in the box when it was taken, no consistency with how it’s being used.

 

Didn't want VAR in the first place and it’s now basically neutralising atmospheres at grounds. No one knows what’s going on or why games have been stopped and getting to the stage you can’t celebrate a goal.

I thought it was going to be used in clear and obvious decisions not every single incident in the match and decisions which need 50 views and angles to decide maybe it’s right or not.

Disagree, according to the letter of the bullshit law, her left heel is on the line when the ball is kicked (see other thread).

Proves what a waste of time this all is.

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15 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Disagree, according to the letter of the bullshit law, her left heel is on the line when the ball is kicked (see other thread).

Proves what a waste of time this all is.

Watching the game last night, they showed penalty and she was about a foot off line when penalty was taken. Second penalty her heel was on the line.

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I think in long term VAR will be great for the same, refs need all the help they can get, it will ensure fairness of results that may have otherwise been won/lost incorrectly.

 

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10 hours ago, 054123 said:

Between this World Cup and the nations league I am very close to losing faith in the ‘professional game’.

Having played in goal to a decent level, you cannot stand rooted to your line. It’s impossible. 

To get booked for attempting to dive, which then means you are now very close to getting sent off if you do it again, pathetic.

What the **** is going on? It’s a game, you cannot legislate everything by VAR.

The game has gone to bollocks.

You could start behind the line. 

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