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51 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said:

So please tell me why we aren't in the Premiership as all those teams you list have been or are?

 

Absolutely nothing to do with location or geography as quite clearly the teams I listed are more handicapped than we are.

Reasons are:

Historically poor structure

Historically poor support

Luck/fluke

The existance of Rovers

Unhelpful council

Etc

 

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22 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

It must be said that in the seventies in the First division we were one of the best payers.( source , amongst others Peter Cormack’s book ) 

 I suppose this was to try and attract to our unfashionable club and an area where few footballers could join us without uprooting their families.

 

You make 2 very salient points Major.

Has our Club worked out why we are unfashionable? We've had the World Wide Web since 1991and online shopping for over a decade. If football is now a business what has our Club done to change the image of our Club and hence attract the very best employees?

If you are a footballer playing for a Lancashire based Club you can spend your whole career moving between dozens of Clubs in that county without uprooting your family and networks.

Bristol is the sixth biggest city in England but you would not think so from the the status of its two football Clubs.

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32 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Absolutely nothing to do with location or geography as quite clearly the teams I listed are more handicapped than we are.

Reasons are:

Historically poor structure

Historically poor support

Luck/fluke

The existance of Rovers

Unhelpful council

Etc

 

I agree with all of this but do we have to put up with a fatalist view of our Club? If so things will never change.

When new players start at our Club they realise that it's great working and living environment. But it's as though this fact is a well kept secret outside.

So I still maintain there is a geographical element to our problem tied in with our poor national image.If you have ever spoken to fans from other Clubs who have not visited Ashton Gate (these admittedly may not be the most well informed group) it's common to get a view that Bristol is some poxy village out in the sticks. They cannot understand how such a settlement can have 2 football Clubs.

Businesses carry out market research. How's this for an idea. When we are speaking to players like Gayle and Gray who eventually turn us down   could we conduct a survey with them that covers all aspects of our Club and try to get some honest answers as to why they made that choice and then use that as a basis for changing our Club

So for me the image/status of the Club is related to poor understanding of the significance of the city of Bristol and the potential we have with a catchment of one million+. I have argued that the Club has to change that view and transform the image of our football Club.

I think of Wigan (heaven help us) having been in the Premiership and Bristol City never there and I ...........................

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15 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

That old location chestnut, what a load of bullocks. 90 mins from the capital, 60 mins from the second city, third biggest airport in the England and Wales outside London with flights to any imaginable place in Europe. A damn sight closer to everywhere of importance than Cardiff, Swansea, Sunderland, Newcastle, Boro even throw in the South coast clubs who arent exactly around the corner from London.

It's a chestnut but that doesn't stop it being true

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44 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said:

I agree with all of this but do we have to put up with a fatalist view of our Club? If so things will never change.

When new players start at our Club they realise that it's great working and living environment. But it's as though this fact is a well kept secret outside.

So I still maintain there is a geographical element to our problem tied in with our poor national image.If you have ever spoken to fans from other Clubs who have not visited Ashton Gate (these admittedly may not be the most well informed group) it's common to get a view that Bristol is some poxy village out in the sticks. They cannot understand how such a settlement can have 2 football Clubs.

Businesses carry out market research. How's this for an idea. When we are speaking to players like Gayle and Gray who eventually turn us down   could we conduct a survey with them that covers all aspects of our Club and try to get some honest answers as to why they made that choice and then use that as a basis for changing our Club

So for me the image/status of the Club is related to poor understanding of the significance of the city of Bristol and the potential we have with a catchment of one million+. I have argued that the Club has to change that view and transform the image of our football Club.

I think of Wigan (heaven help us) having been in the Premiership and Bristol City never there and I ...........................

Totally a Bristol problem. Its a very important world city and yet because we don't shout from the rooftops like a less important city for example Liverpool, we get nothing of note going.

I suppose it does mean our potential is massive if we get our act together but we'll always be held back by our lack of football history.

Probably doesnt help that someone decided the city boundaries end half way within our urban area meaning we are viewed as a city of 500k rather than truly a city of 1m.

 

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2 hours ago, southvillekiddy said:

Agree with you mate. What is the Club doing to change our current profile

Investing in youth academy

building new training ground

redeveloping the stadium

investing in better coaching and modern technology 

Apart from that they are doing f all and are happy to stay in the championship for ever with no ambition to ever do anything

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1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

Investing in youth academy

building new training ground

redeveloping the stadium

investing in better coaching and modern technology 

Apart from that they are doing f all and are happy to stay in the championship for ever with no ambition to ever do anything

nice tone to your post mate thankyou.You parochial? You stuck in the mud?  The sarcasm says it all. How about looking up at the bigger picture - the image our Club has nationally with proven Premiership players, managers, coaches and pundits. Unless Bristol City FC make a substantial effort to improve this we will not achieve Premiership status IMHO.

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1 hour ago, cidercity1987 said:

Totally a Bristol problem. Its a very important world city and yet because we don't shout from the rooftops like a less important city for example Liverpool, we get nothing of note going.

I suppose it does mean our potential is massive if we get our act together but we'll always be held back by our lack of football history.

Probably doesnt help that someone decided the city boundaries end half way within our urban area meaning we are viewed as a city of 500k rather than truly a city of 1m.

 

Very true mate. As a Bristolian I find certain Bristolian traits very, very frustrating

Here's a comparison for you, Bristol City and Wigan Athletic FC.  Wigan known for Rugby League and not football historically?  Population of 100,000.

But from 1995 they had a millionaire Chairman who had the guts and imagination. Here's what they achieved :

"Wigan were elected to the Football League in 1978, and competed in the Premier League from 2005 to 2013.

They won the 2012–13 FA Cup with a 1–0 victory against Manchester City at Wembley Stadium, when Ben Watson scored the winning goal. The club also reached the League Cup final in 2006.

They made their European debut in the 2013–14 UEFA Europa League"

 

What's stopping us???????????????????????????????.

 

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Good opening post and so many good comments from others.

I've considered the subject for many years. There are many factors.

Remoteness. We are about 80 to 100 miles from the nearest clubs that regularly are in the top tier. That is always likely to be a factor that will put some players off. Moving house, children changing schools, moving away from rest of family. It matters little that Bristol area is a good place to live after one has signed for us.

Add to the comments about location and then consider that we have only won two Third Division titles since 1946! Only four years in the top tier in that time. I posted recently that Norwich have six promotions to top tier in the same period.

Thus, I believe that we will always struggle to recruit some players. Those that are ambitious and want to win trophies will go elsewhere. Those who want a comfortable life come here.

That is how it has been. However there is a real change going on at City of trying to do it the right way. We've seen better quality players in the last four years than for decades.

But and it is a very big but, we haven't been in the top tier for forty years. Until we do, I believe that we'll continue to lose out to the so called bigger clubs in London, Midlands and North.

I don't advocate throwing money at it. I have my opinion but thats for another thread.

 

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1 hour ago, southvillekiddy said:

nice tone to your post mate thankyou.You parochial? You stuck in the mud?  The sarcasm says it all. How about looking up at the bigger picture - the image our Club has nationally with proven Premiership players, managers, coaches and pundits. Unless Bristol City FC make a substantial effort to improve this we will not achieve Premiership status IMHO.

Proven prem managers like Fat Sam or redknapp you mean?

or proven players like stern John and David James you mean?

 We’ve thrown money and done as you suggested before,

it got us relegated to league one and nearly relegated to league 2 

the way we are going about things is 1000% correct no matter how you and other like you try and dress it down because we aren’t spending 14 million on one player

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29 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Proven prem managers like Fat Sam or redknapp you mean?

or proven players like stern John and David James you mean?

 We’ve thrown money and done as you suggested before,

it got us relegated to league one and nearly relegated to league 2 

the way we are going about things is 1000% correct no matter how you and other like you try and dress it down because we aren’t spending 14 million on one player

Got your comments rather muddled up there old son. Who would want a crook as a manager. The David James fiasco, SLs idea, scuppered what could have been a good manager-ship with Coppell. Throwing money around to sign a past it Stern John? What a laugh. You've quoted failures to try and suit your flakey response.

I wonder if you saw the set-up on parade after Man City won the FA Cup with dozens of specialist coaches brought together by an outstanding manager backed by ambitious owners and the best administrators. That's what I want for Bristol City. Like I said to you the other day SL could find a way to at least follow that as the model if he really wanted it. FFP has given him the perfect excuse to hang back again at the moment. I hope he can get inspired one day.

Here's an indicator for you : Can we sign Kalas and Da Silva. If not then there is something missing at Bristol City for those fine players.

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36 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Proven prem managers like Fat Sam or redknapp you mean?

or proven players like stern John and David James you mean?

 We’ve thrown money and done as you suggested before,

it got us relegated to league one and nearly relegated to league 2 

the way we are going about things is 1000% correct no matter how you and other like you try and dress it down because we aren’t spending 14 million on one player

Got your comments rather muddled up there old son. Who would want a crook as a manager. The David James fiasco, SLs idea, scuppered what could have been a good manager-ship with Coppell. Throwing money around to sign a past it Stern John? What a laugh. You've quoted failures to try and suit your flakey response. Are you really prepared to wait 40 more years for Premiership football.

I wonder if you saw the set-up on parade after Man City won the FA Cup with dozens of specialist coaches brought together by an outstanding manager backed by ambitious owners and the best administrators. That's what I want for Bristol City. Like I said to you the other day SL could find a way to at least follow that as the model if he really wanted it. FFP has given him the perfect excuse to hang back again at the moment. I hope he can get inspired one day.

Here's an indicator for you : Can we sign Kalas and Da Silva. I really hope we can. If not then there is something missing at Bristol City for those fine players.

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5 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said:

Got your comments rather muddled up there old son. Who would want a crook as a manager. The David James fiasco, SLs idea, scuppered what could have been a good manager-ship with Coppell. Throwing money around to sign a past it Stern John? What a laugh. You've quoted failures to try and suit your flakey response.

I wonder if you saw the set-up on parade after Man City won the FA Cup with dozens of specialist coaches brought together by an outstanding manager backed by ambitious owners and the best administrators. That's what I want for Bristol City. Like I said to you the other day SL could find a way to at least follow that as the model if he really wanted it. FFP has given him the perfect excuse to hang back again at the moment. I hope he can get inspired one day.

Here's an indicator for you : Can we sign Kalas and Da Silva. If not then there is something missing at Bristol City for those fine players.

You seriously think Man City is a realistic model to follow? Not unless there is a spare, shall we say authoritarian, Middle East regime looking to buy the club and do a bit of "sportswashing". Failing that I don't see how we are going to recruit an outstanding manager and dozens of specialist coaches. Max Allegri is available at the moment mind you, maybe we should give his agent a call?

Nor are we a big enough club to be allowed to circumvent FFP in the way Man City have with bogus sponsorship deals or Derby with a bogus ground sale. That is just the reality of the politics of the game.

Why in any event do you object to SL complying with FFP and how does playing by the rules constitute an excuse? Given what has happened to the club in the past, why do you object to an owner trying to ensure its financial security?

Norwich showed the way, achieving their goal while tackling the financial risks they faced. And if they had not gone up they would have stuck to the same path, even if that meant selling some of their best players because they are focused on the club's long term health.

By all means be critical of the club's strategy but let's not stray into the realms of fantasy.

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23 minutes ago, chinapig said:

You seriously think Man City is a realistic model to follow? Not unless there is a spare, shall we say authoritarian, Middle East regime looking to buy the club and do a bit of "sportswashing". Failing that I don't see how we are going to recruit an outstanding manager and dozens of specialist coaches. Max Allegri is available at the moment mind you, maybe we should give his agent a call?

Nor are we a big enough club to be allowed to circumvent FFP in the way Man City have with bogus sponsorship deals or Derby with a bogus ground sale. That is just the reality of the politics of the game.

Why in any event do you object to SL complying with FFP and how does playing by the rules constitute an excuse? Given what has happened to the club in the past, why do you object to an owner trying to ensure its financial security?

Norwich showed the way, achieving their goal while tackling the financial risks they faced. And if they had not gone up they would have stuck to the same path, even if that meant selling some of their best players because they are focused on the club's long term health.

By all means be critical of the club's strategy but let's not stray into the realms of fantasy.

Thanks for your measured response mate but I do believe you have followed the Bristolian model in saying effectively "That's not for the likes of us" Why ever not as a major city in England equal in size eg to Liverpool with 2 Premiership teams, one finishing one point behind Man City? So you are conspiring in a more subtle way than most to keep us as a massively under-achieving football Club. This happens from top to bottom in our Club and present fan base, how else do we explain the relative poor numbers attending at Ashton Gate for a city of our size and the sight of young people wearing replica Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea shirts around Bristol. They don't take Bristol City seriously. So I must conclude that the Club is not doing enough to get the City of Bristol behind our team as well as changing the image of our Club nationally. The "Village Green" fiasco would not have happened if our Club had had higher status. The nimbies would have been laughed at. As it is private interest overcame public good.

Where should the owner and administrators of our Club look for best practice to emulate except at Man City and Liverpool - the best. Surely it's a self-defeating objective to think "Well we will only ever be one-tenth as good as Manchester City" It's a small-minded outlook.

At a more modest level I quote again the example of Dave Whelan who got Premiership football for a town of 100,000. We are 600,000. Do you honestly think we shouldn't be at least mid-table in the Premiership?

Farke has achieved promotion to the Premiership with Norwich in only two seasons attracting players of quality playing the style of football at his last Club Dortmund. Germany seem pretty good at winning trophies. Is there another lesson here that the Bristol City owner has missed?

I've just checked and Hargreaves Lansdown is the largest private investor investment platform in the UK.

Did Steve and Pete say to themselves "it's not for the likes of us to be the largest investment platform in the UK is it?"

 

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30 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said:

Thanks for your measured response mate but I do believe you have followed the Bristolian model in saying effectively "That's not for the likes of us" Why ever not as a major city in England equal in size eg to Liverpool with 2 Premiership teams, one finishing one point behind Man City? So you are conspiring in a more subtle way than most to keep us as a massively under-achieving football Club. This happens from top to bottom in our Club and present fan base, how else do we explain the relative poor numbers attending at Ashton Gate for a city of our size and the sight of young people wearing replica Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea shirts around Bristol. They don't take Bristol City seriously. So I must conclude that the Club is not doing enough to get the City of Bristol behind our team as well as changing the image of our Club nationally. The "Village Green" fiasco would not have happened if our Club had had higher status. The nimbies would have been laughed at. As it is private interest overcame public good.

Where should the owner and administrators of our Club look for best practice to emulate except at Man City and Liverpool - the best. Surely it's a self-defeating objective to think "Well we will only ever be one-tenth as good as Manchester City" It's a small-minded outlook.

At a more modest level I quote again the example of Dave Whelan who got Premiership football for a town of 100,000. We are 600,000. Do you honestly think we shouldn't be at least mid-table in the Premiership?

Farke has achieved promotion to the Premiership with Norwich in only two seasons attracting players of quality playing the style of football at his last Club Dortmund. Germany seem pretty good at winning trophies. Is there another lesson here that the Bristol City owner has missed?

I've just checked and Hargreaves Lansdown is the largest private investor investment platform in the UK.

Did Steve and Pete say to themselves "it's not for the likes of us to be the largest investment platform in the UK is it?"

 

There is a major cultural and historical difference between Bristol and the 2 cities you mention when it comes to football. It is precisely because Bristol has no football culture that the Village Green stuff happened.

No individual owner of Bristol City is going to change that other than over a long period. The necessary steps in terms of adopting best practice in both football and commercial terms only started in recent years - and it's worth mentioning the role Sean O'Driscoll and the much mocked 5 pillars played in that.

If you are advocating following best practice, as opposed to recruiting a top manager and dozens of specialist coaches now and otherwise over spending and breaching FFP, then I agree. That is what we are finally doing after lurching for decades from one model to another.

The evidence is there in the shape of the ground development boosting income especially on non-match days, the training ground and particularly LJ himself who is continuously boosting his knowledge, most recently at Leipzig.

The area that needs more attention is scouting imo.

Suffice to say HL started in Steve's bedroom. It was not an overnight success.

 

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1 hour ago, chinapig said:

There is a major cultural and historical difference between Bristol and the 2 cities you mention when it comes to football. It is precisely because Bristol has no football culture that the Village Green stuff happened.

No individual owner of Bristol City is going to change that other than over a long period. The necessary steps in terms of adopting best practice in both football and commercial terms only started in recent years - and it's worth mentioning the role Sean O'Driscoll and the much mocked 5 pillars played in that.

If you are advocating following best practice, as opposed to recruiting a top manager and dozens of specialist coaches now and otherwise over spending and breaching FFP, then I agree. That is what we are finally doing after lurching for decades from one model to another.

The evidence is there in the shape of the ground development boosting income especially on non-match days, the training ground and particularly LJ himself who is continuously boosting his knowledge, most recently at Leipzig.

The area that needs more attention is scouting imo.

Suffice to say HL started in Steve's bedroom. It was not an overnight success.

 

Good debating with you mate. I'm just concerned over how long this will take. We had an opportunity at Christmas the season before last to really go for it and instead we retreated. As a result three of our best players decided their future wasn't at Bristol City. I fear this pattern of developing good players and then losing them will continue and we will remain a Championship team unless a miracle occurs. We had a miracle with Alan Dicks but it took a hundred years for him to turn up. 

Going back to comparing Bristol City and Man City there are several similiarities. Both formed in 1894 and both pre-eminent in the early 1900s. Both suffered a decline and dropped into the third level of League football. It was surely by emulating the models of the best Club set-ups in Europe that Man City achieved what they now. And they did it by hiring the very best people, not just players but business people, executives, coaches and of course the best Club manager in football? Bristol City have wasted millions on countless substandard players (even if we set aside the millions spent on the marquee striker signings), neglecting to appoint the most important element, the very best managers (with the exception of Dicks).

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18 hours ago, southvillekiddy said:

nice tone to your post mate thankyou.You parochial? You stuck in the mud?  The sarcasm says it all. How about looking up at the bigger picture - the image our Club has nationally with proven Premiership players, managers, coaches and pundits. Unless Bristol City FC make a substantial effort to improve this we will not achieve Premiership status IMHO.

How does this image help to achieve Premiership status? What was the image of Bournemouth, Burnley, Huddersfield, Wigan? 

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7 hours ago, Cowshed said:

How does this image help to achieve Premiership status? What was the image of Bournemouth, Burnley, Huddersfield, Wigan? 

Work it out. if a company is unsuccessful, has a poor record historically and image would you want to work for them?

The four Clubs you mention, including one with a long history in football, have impressed players, coaches and a management team to want to go and work there. The Clubs have convinced them they are going somewhere. 

What do you make of what Mark Ashton told the media during the Christmas transfer window the season before last when we were in a strong position?

 

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1 hour ago, southvillekiddy said:

Work it out. if a company is unsuccessful, has a poor record historically and image would you want to work for them?

The four Clubs you mention, including one with a long history in football, have impressed players, coaches and a management team to want to go and work there. The Clubs have convinced them they are going somewhere. 

What do you make of what Mark Ashton told the media during the Christmas transfer window the season before last when we were in a strong position?

 

No. I asked your politely to explain it. You have failed to do so.  

What was the image of Bournemouth, Burnley, Huddersfield, Wigan that helped them achieve promotion? How did they impress? 

Bournemouth gained promotion via financial irregularity x Eddie Howes coaching acumen. 

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On 22/06/2019 at 10:27, southvillekiddy said:

Agree with you mate. What is the Club doing to change our current profile

Spot on pal. The club are slowly heading in the right direction with the stadium, training ground and branding etc. but it's the actual football related stuff that speaks volumes: signings, wages, ambition, style, consistency etc. 

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On 22/06/2019 at 12:24, southvillekiddy said:

You make 2 very salient points Major.

Has our Club worked out why we are unfashionable? We've had the World Wide Web since 1991and online shopping for over a decade. If football is now a business what has our Club done to change the image of our Club and hence attract the very best employees?

If you are a footballer playing for a Lancashire based Club you can spend your whole career moving between dozens of Clubs in that county without uprooting your family and networks.

Bristol is the sixth biggest city in England but you would not think so from the the status of its two football Clubs.

Thank you SK , I think we are perceived differently these days as has been pointed out , with a ‘ new’ ground , top quality infrastructure , young dynamic coaching team , certain success in the Cups and Championship finishes . 

I believe the club know what’s needed but for us to become ‘ fashionable ‘ we have to back all this up with success on the field.

Finishing eighth in our division is commendable but it doesn’t scream of demanding Prem football. 

Who remembers the League cup losers , let alone those teams knocked out in the semifinals ? 

Clubs like Leeds, Derby, Boro ... are consistently either in the Prem or fighting for promotion to it therefore have a higher profile than us and would seem a more interesting prospect for ambitious footballers who don’t know the many good things going on at Ashton Gate .

 We will get there I’m sure .

 I remember when Boro were like us , never having won a major domestic trophy .

 

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20 hours ago, Cowshed said:

No. I asked your politely to explain it. You have failed to do so.  

What was the image of Bournemouth, Burnley, Huddersfield, Wigan that helped them achieve promotion? How did they impress? 

Bournemouth gained promotion via financial irregularity x Eddie Howes coaching acumen. 

I agree that it's hard to explain what Bournemouth have done with gates of 12,000 but as you say Eddie Howe impresses potential signings. So he is large part of their successful image. Burnley have a long proud history especially in the old First Division. They've topped the English Leauge twice and won the FA Cup. So their name is a strong brand, you don't need much time to recognise it and they have an outstanding english manager in Sean Dyche (wonder why as an ex-player he hasn't been after managing Bristol City?) who again can attract high quality signings. Wigan had a dynamic millionaire Chairman who was determined to achieve Premiership football for a small Lancashire town. He was impressive enough to get Roberto Martinez, who in turn attracted top players.

So to summarise: Changing the image of Bristol City : Every section of the game as well as our catchment area of a million+ supporters has to know who we are and take us seriously as a progressive Club with Premiership ambitions that appoints the highest quality staff and players.We have to shake off the strong negative image of our Club, especially in our home city, of never having done anything and never likely to.

Our ground and training facilities have improved but we are not sufficiently well-known Nationally and we have no real status in our own city.. So a significant publicity campaign has to made. Bristolian kids should be wearing our shirt and not Chelsea'a etcc..The Club has to reach out more energetically and impress the less-well informed that Bristol is a major city. We have to employ top people to represent us to all sections of the game and avoid the type of major gaff committed by Mark Ashton the Christmas before last that torpedoed our promotion push and convinced Reid, Bryan and Flint that Bristol City was not the place for them. We have a decent young manager but he is unable to attract quality signings because nobody knows who he is and he hasn't achieved anything yet. We have to have a truly ambitious Owner who leaves the football side to an internationally known manager that he finally has the guts to engage.This type of manager, such as Nuno Espirito Santo, with an excellent coaching team and the ability to attract top quality signings will take us to the Premiership and keep us there.  

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I sound like a broken record when I say this, but it still stands, and I might quote it from now on since I say it every ******* time this is brought up.

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If your fans are concerned about how FFP impacts the clubs bottom-line, you do not have the spending power to either mount a challenge for Premier League football, or sustain yourselves in the Premier League.

While I don't fully agree with the idea that we need to overspend to achieve promotion to the Premier League, I don't buy into the idea that we're ready to mount a serious challenge, or that we'll gain a position every year until we're in the playoffs or automatically promoted. The Championship is a moving target every year, and saying "maybe next year" will mean **** all when the Premier League spits out three strong contenders to jump straight back up again.

On top of this, if by some stroke of luck we were to achieve promotion this year with a similar squad to what we have now, what does that next season look like? We've seen a mixture of spunking hundreds of millions on a brand-new established side, and sticking with a Championship level side and expecting success against some of the best teams in world football, and neither works.

I don't want to be promoted if it means we'll get canned every week and thrown back into the second-tier with a downbeat side. I want us to be promoted with a squad that resembles a top-table Championship side, and whether you like it or not, the best way to do that is to pay top-level Championship fees/salaries. If FFP is a problem, then I'll say what I'll say to people that want me to build something they cannot afford - **** you, pay me.

We can win promotion the way we're building right now, but we need to embrace the fact that it's going to take a while. One bad season can wipe out several seasons of work, and thankfully we've not hit that bad season yet - but the risk is there if the clubs long-term plan hits a speed bump and decides to take a few more years.

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On 22/06/2019 at 11:25, southvillekiddy said:

So please tell me why we aren't in the Premiership as all those teams you list have been or are?

 

You got remember that we’ve been very poorly run so much so a keyboard from bros was chairman for a bit.

We let promising players go for **** all or peanuts or with proper sell on clauses.

Terry Cooper(proper legend should be a statue of him too) used to wash our kit,  drive the bus and countless other things no manager of a professional club should do! 

The Danny Wilson era whilst was entertaining quite a few of the players at the time were on the piss! 

But hopefully now we’ve turned the corner so to speak and we are starting to build towards it again!

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4 hours ago, southvillekiddy said:

I agree that it's hard to explain what Bournemouth have done with gates of 12,000

It isn't!

They spent an obscene amount on wages and flouted all the FFP rules.

However, under the old regulations their promotion meant the EFL could do **** all about it.

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8 hours ago, southvillekiddy said:

I agree that it's hard to explain what Bournemouth have done with gates of 12,000 but as you say Eddie Howe impresses potential signings. So he is large part of their successful image. Burnley have a long proud history especially in the old First Division. They've topped the English Leauge twice and won the FA Cup. So their name is a strong brand, you don't need much time to recognise it and they have an outstanding english manager in Sean Dyche (wonder why as an ex-player he hasn't been after managing Bristol City?) who again can attract high quality signings. Wigan had a dynamic millionaire Chairman who was determined to achieve Premiership football for a small Lancashire town. He was impressive enough to get Roberto Martinez, who in turn attracted top players.

So to summarise: Changing the image of Bristol City : Every section of the game as well as our catchment area of a million+ supporters has to know who we are and take us seriously as a progressive Club with Premiership ambitions that appoints the highest quality staff and players.We have to shake off the strong negative image of our Club, especially in our home city, of never having done anything and never likely to.

Our ground and training facilities have improved but we are not sufficiently well-known Nationally and we have no real status in our own city.. So a significant publicity campaign has to made. Bristolian kids should be wearing our shirt and not Chelsea'a etcc..The Club has to reach out more energetically and impress the less-well informed that Bristol is a major city. We have to employ top people to represent us to all sections of the game and avoid the type of major gaff committed by Mark Ashton the Christmas before last that torpedoed our promotion push and convinced Reid, Bryan and Flint that Bristol City was not the place for them. We have a decent young manager but he is unable to attract quality signings because nobody knows who he is and he hasn't achieved anything yet. We have to have a truly ambitious Owner who leaves the football side to an internationally known manager that he finally has the guts to engage.This type of manager, such as Nuno Espirito Santo, with an excellent coaching team and the ability to attract top quality signings will take us to the Premiership and keep us there.  

I thank you for the reply but you have hardly articulated how the image of Bournemouth, Burnley, Huddersfield, Wigan that helped them achieve promotion.

I seriously doubt that as a Championship club Burnley being a top level team in the seventies was a draw to players who were not even born then.

Wigan had a Chairman who spent massively hundreds of % past income. Now no longer allowed under FFP. Martinez was paid a salary far beyond what he received at Swansea.

Post 57 highlights Bournemouth's spending.

It does not back your your point about image beyond the financial. 

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12 hours ago, Cowshed said:

I thank you for the reply but you have hardly articulated how the image of Bournemouth, Burnley, Huddersfield, Wigan that helped them achieve promotion.

I seriously doubt that as a Championship club Burnley being a top level team in the seventies was a draw to players who were not even born then.

Wigan had a Chairman who spent massively hundreds of % past income. Now no longer allowed under FFP. Martinez was paid a salary far beyond what he received at Swansea.

Post 57 highlights Bournemouth's spending.

It does not back your your point about image beyond the financial. 

Fair play mate. We'll have to agree to differ. Do you think the image of our Club nationally is satisfactory? How long do you think it will be before the current regime at Bristol City achieves Premiership football? How long are you prepared to wait before you would want a change?

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16 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

It isn't!

They spent an obscene amount on wages and flouted all the FFP rules.

However, under the old regulations their promotion meant the EFL could do **** all about it.

Okay mate. You could say things have worked out nicely for our owner on the FFP front. How about if he just had the will to spend what must be a fairly modest amount compared to huge signings and obscene players wages on one thing - hiring a Manager with an international reputation?

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