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CyderInACan

Luke Freeman to Sheff Utd (Merged)

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Freeman playing in the premier league? think they will be dead certs to go down.

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I thought that LF was the best player in our League One Promotion team yet struggled to make an impact for us in the Championship.

Since moving to QPR he’s proved himself to be the best player in a very ordinary team yet he’s still to truly take the Championship by storm. 

I just can’t see him as a Premier League player. I hope for his sake that I’m wrong. 

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I thought he's be off this summer. Surprised it's to a prem side. But I guess he could fit in nicely in their midfield.

Sold him for hundred or more thousand wasn't it? Surely about 20% sell on of profit. Maybe 700 odd thousand to us? Or maybe it's more of a percentage because we sold so cheap.

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1 minute ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Good for him, if it happens. Always liked Luke and didn't understand the vitriol from some of our supporters 

Yep. Worked his absolute socks off for us. And was outstanding in our promotion season. And he has said since that he didn't want to leave, though at the time LJ wanted to keep him so not sure who to believe there.

Even if he did want to leave then can't really blame him, he is from London and a lot of our fans didn't seem to like him. Hope he does well if he gets this move. 

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Squad player for Sheff Utd surely. Can't see him being bought to start every game. Great for us in L1, good for QPR in the Champ, in the Prem he'll be a sub and cover the cup games.

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Smart move though. This is how teams should operate when going up the first time. Buy some young players and the best champ players so when you go down you in position to go back up stronger. Sheff U need to do this more than most as they were very reliant on plder players and loans. Can only bring in 2 domestic loans so need to buy while they have the funds. 

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35 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

£4m according to Alan Nixon on twitter. We must have a sell on so hopefully some more cash coming our way. 

 

15% On any profit was quoted this time last year I think Reg.

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13 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Squad player for Sheff Utd surely. Can't see him being bought to start every game. Great for us in L1, good for QPR in the Champ, in the Prem he'll be a sub and cover the cup games.

According to some Blades fans on Twitter, they say it’ll be as a no10 if there are any truth in the rumours....so will be up against Marc Duffy (33).

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

According to some Blades fans on Twitter, they say it’ll be as a no10 if there are any truth in the rumours....so will be up against Marc Duffy (33).

Well good luck to him if the deal happens. Hope he gets his run out at the Emirates, would mean something to him I'm sure.

Can't help but feel he'll emulate Reid's premier league season though. In and out of the team, couple of stand out games but really not much to write home about. 

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21 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Yep. Worked his absolute socks off for us. And was outstanding in our promotion season. And he has said since that he didn't want to leave, though at the time LJ wanted to keep him so not sure who to believe there.

Even if he did want to leave then can't really blame him, he is from London and a lot of our fans didn't seem to like him. Hope he does well if he gets this move. 

You can understand him wanting to move to the Blades  seeing as his family’s from London .

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1 hour ago, Riaz said:

Freeman playing in the premier league? think they will be dead certs to go down.

Even if they end up being relegated I don’t think it could be solely laid at the door of Freeman, others would have to be involved. I have doubts about his quality for the Premiership but plenty of others have proven me wrong in the past. Sheffield United are dangerous from set pieces and the quality of delivery LF could provide will only make them more so. 

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1 minute ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Even if they end up being relegated I don’t think it could be solely laid at the door of Freeman, others would have to be involved. I have doubts about his quality for the Premiership but plenty of others have proven me wrong in the past. Sheffield United are dangerous from set pieces and the quality of delivery LF could provide will only make them more so. 

Well clearly its a team effort. But he's bang average in the championship let alone the prem. If thats the level of player they are going for, my money is on them going down. Probably bottom.

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2 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Good for him, if it happens. Always liked Luke and didn't understand the vitriol from some of our supporters 

The vitriol from some of our supporters stems from his refusal to play in the cup at Burnely.  Want to leave?  Not a problem.  Refuse to play?  Become a villain.  Same thing for Kodjia (who literally became a Villain!).

He was excellent for us in the promotion year but undoubtedly struggled with the step up.  By the end of his time with us he was beginning to show some signs of improvement.  But for the first 14/15 months of his Championship career with us he essentially got the ball, tried 48 step overs and eventually fell over his own feet.

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Seems an odd one but the context of it being Sheffield United and the job that Wilder has done with a fairly average squad... He'll probably make him a world beater.

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1 hour ago, Steve Watts said:

The vitriol from some of our supporters stems from his refusal to play in the cup at Burnely.  Want to leave?  Not a problem.  Refuse to play?  Become a villain.  Same thing for Kodjia (who literally became a Villain!).

He was excellent for us in the promotion year but undoubtedly struggled with the step up.  By the end of his time with us he was beginning to show some signs of improvement.  But for the first 14/15 months of his Championship career with us he essentially got the ball, tried 48 step overs and eventually fell over his own feet.

Spot on, by all means say you want to leave, but never refuse to play. Ask to be benched and used in an emergency if you don't want to be cup tied by all means, but flat out refusal just makes you look a bit of a knob.

I liked Freeman, good player but for us in the system we were playing at the time, not solid or consistant enough.

Tony Thorpe made it abundantly clear he wanted to leave, albeit at the end of his contract, but, as far as I can remember, still gave it his all.

 

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Good luck to him. Probably at his peak now. £4m very cheap for the prem and may just surprise a few. May just get that fraction more time in the prem which could help him. I can’t feel anything but love for that double team... but that could be the cider talking 

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3 hours ago, Riaz said:

Well clearly its a team effort. But he's bang average in the championship let alone the prem. If thats the level of player they are going for, my money is on them going down. Probably bottom.

No doubt you're right and Wilder doesn't have a clue. 😎😎

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1 hour ago, Leveller said:

No doubt you're right and Wilder doesn't have a clue. 😎😎

Maybe we should ban opinions on players and just assume managers are right 😉 shut down otib immediately 🤔  no point 😃

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1 hour ago, Leveller said:

No doubt you're right and Wilder doesn't have a clue. 😎😎

All jokes aside, us city fans will probably have seen more of freeman than wilder and he wouldn’t get in our squad.

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2 hours ago, Dunc said:

Good luck to him. Probably at his peak now. £4m very cheap for the prem and may just surprise a few. May just get that fraction more time in the prem which could help him. I can’t feel anything but love for that double team... but that could be the cider talking 

Not just the cider. This lad has always been a good player and one who gets better if quality players are around him. I reckon SUFC will struggle but there are teams (Bmuff) which can surprise. The Blades are a great club and you never know they could be a match in heaven for Freeman. Need to get water carriers around him tho. 

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8 hours ago, Steve Watts said:

The vitriol from some of our supporters stems from his refusal to play in the cup at Burnely.  Want to leave?  Not a problem.  Refuse to play?  Become a villain.  Same thing for Kodjia (who literally became a Villain!).

He was excellent for us in the promotion year but undoubtedly struggled with the step up.  By the end of his time with us he was beginning to show some signs of improvement.  But for the first 14/15 months of his Championship career with us he essentially got the ball, tried 48 step overs and eventually fell over his own feet.

Well as i stated recently in a thread I am good mates with a member of his wifes family.

From what he told me LF had many offers elsewhere way before he left but LJ promised him that he would be featuring more and that he will be given a better contract and so persuaded him to stay. Now I can't exactly remember how he was performing for us at that time or how often he was playing.

At some point this "contract offer" was redacted and his performances at the time were not to LJ's level.  but LF gave an ultimatum and LJ made plans for a team without him. The cup game was an insult to him because LJ just wanted to rest players and throw him in.

Not entirely sure how accurate that is but its from someone who has known him for years. He first met him when he was at Arsenal academy.

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6 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

The cup game was an insult to him because LJ just wanted to rest players and throw him in.

If playing in a cup match is an insult, Freeman should work with the rest of us for a day!!

He had talent but very rarely an end product. You could sense the frustration from the fans and I think that fed into LJ's view of him.

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12 hours ago, Leveller said:

No doubt you're right and Wilder doesn't have a clue. 😎😎

From what I’ve seen of Wilder I’d say he knows what he’s on about. He’s seems good at getting the best out of his players and he’s a successful manager. 

All the best to Freeman, he was an important part of our promotion winning team and I enjoyed watching him play that season. 

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17 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

Squad player for Sheff Utd surely. Can't see him being bought to start every game. Great for us in L1, good for QPR in the Champ, in the Prem he'll be a sub and cover the cup games.

Leave it to Wilder, he knows a lot more about players  and football than you do. I didn’t think much of McGoldrick in all honesty but helped them gain promotion. 

 

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1 hour ago, swanker said:

From what I’ve seen of Wilder I’d say he knows what he’s on about. He’s seems good at getting the best out of his players and he’s a successful manager. 

All the best to Freeman, he was an important part of our promotion winning team and I enjoyed watching him play that season. 

Indeed. Did my sarcasm not come over?

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1 hour ago, Xiled said:

If playing in a cup match is an insult, Freeman should work with the rest of us for a day!!

He had talent but very rarely an end product. You could sense the frustration from the fans and I think that fed into LJ's view of him.

Paterson! Comes to mind instantly, would rather see the old LF in red!

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3 minutes ago, dave36 said:

Paterson! Comes to mind instantly, would rather see the old LF in red!

Paterson is much better defensively than Freeman.

I'm very shocked someone in professional football thinks he is PL standard but he might just fit Sheff Utd's unique way of playing.

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10 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Paterson is much better defensively than Freeman.

I'm very shocked someone in professional football thinks he is PL standard but he might just fit Sheff Utd's unique way of playing.

Ok you got me there? Defensive tackles last season, just looked at some stats, 24 for the season in the league!

Freeman would get close to that in most GAMES

 

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18 hours ago, Riaz said:

Well clearly its a team effort. But he's bang average in the championship let alone the prem. If thats the level of player they are going for, my money is on them going down. Probably bottom.

More assists last season than any of our players apart from Eliasson (who had the same) In a poorer qpr team though! I know he ran into dead ends when we had him but he’s improved a hell of a lot!

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45 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Paterson is much better defensively than Freeman.

I'm very shocked someone in professional football thinks he is PL standard but he might just fit Sheff Utd's unique way of playing.

In what way?  Not the strong part of either players games. 

 

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4 hours ago, swanker said:

Leave it to Wilder, he knows a lot more about players  and football than you do. I didn’t think much of McGoldrick in all honesty but helped them gain promotion. 

 

Shit. I'd already sent my dossier on Freeman's bench warming skills and football formations to Wilder...but now, thanks to you, I realise how silly that was. Gosh I look a fool.

Well, hopefully he'll read your post before the beginning of the season. Otherwise look forward to Sheff Utd redeploying the WM in August.

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5 hours ago, Davefevs said:

In what way?  Not the strong part of either players games. 

 

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Neither great defensively but Paterson outperformed Freeman on pretty much everything that's non-aerial, and QPR would (one would imagine) have more defensive duties to perform as they performed worse than City last season.

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14 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Neither great defensively but Paterson outperformed Freeman on pretty much everything that's non-aerial, and QPR would (one would imagine) have more defensive duties to perform as they performed worse than City last season.

Here’s their other stats:

 

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4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Here’s their other stats:

 

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There's little between them on the stats in pretty much any sense, though Freeman looks to edge Paterson in an attacking sense.

There could be an argument to make about Freeman being a key man for QPR yet only having similar attacking stats to Paterson who is less vital to us going forward.

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5 hours ago, Davefevs said:

In what way?  Not the strong part of either players games. 

 

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So I am right then, especially considering Pato is an attacker and Freeman has been a CM for 2 years.

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Freeman and Paterson are actually very similar players to be fair. Both work their socks off. Both very good touches and good in tight positions with the ball. Paterson both footed and probably capable of classier bits of skill than Freeman. Freeman scored 9 last season didn't he? Good amount for someone who never had the best shot except that goal against Ipswich. Paterson doesn't score as many as he maybe should.

If I had a choice out of the two I would keep Pato. But Freeman certainly a very good championship player. Will be interesting to see how he gets on in the prem if he goes there.

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30 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

There's little between them on the stats in pretty much any sense, though Freeman looks to edge Paterson in an attacking sense.

There could be an argument to make about Freeman being a key man for QPR yet only having similar attacking stats to Paterson who is less vital to us going forward.

 

4 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Freeman and Paterson are actually very similar players to be fair. Both work their socks off. Both very good touches and good in tight positions with the ball. Paterson both footed and probably capable of classier bits of skill than Freeman. Freeman scored 9 last season didn't he? Good amount for someone who never had the best shot except that goal against Ipswich. Paterson doesn't score as many as he maybe should.

If I had a choice out of the two I would keep Pato. But Freeman certainly a very good championship player. Will be interesting to see how he gets on in the prem if he goes there.

I think this sums up my problem with Freeman. Totally overrated and the way the fans went on as if he was second messiah yet compare to the stick Pato gets? For not running down blind alleys? Also Freeman takes corners to inflate his assists.

Good luck to him in the Prem but doesnt change what I saw with my own eyes for 3 years.

 

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5 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

 

I think this sums up my problem with Freeman. Totally overrated and the way the fans went on as if he was second messiah yet compare to the stick Pato gets? For not running down blind alleys? Also Freeman takes corners to inflate his assists.

Good luck to him in the Prem but doesnt change what I saw with my own eyes for 3 years.

 

Though I think QPR fans love him and generally see him as their best player. I know QPR aren't great, but they've had at least some decent players since Freeman has been there. 

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19 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

So I am right then, especially considering Pato is an attacker and Freeman has been a CM for 2 years.

Possibly, but it’s only stats.  Both are below average in pure-stats terms (or at least the ones I use), but team style, role etc all come into play.

4 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Freeman and Paterson are actually very similar players to be fair. Both work their socks off.

Freeman buzzes around, but a lot of bluster.  Pato runs a lot at 90% but rarely at enough intensity to get a challenge in.  I’m not sure I quantify that as working socks off, but I can see your point.

Both very good touches and good in tight positions with the ball.

Pato better in tight spaces for me, good pair of feet, and better technique.  Freeman all a bit quick for me and will run into cup-De-sacs...like O’Dowda does.  I’d bet my money on Pato coming out of a tight spot than Freeman.  It’s why imho Freeman struggled in the 10 role for us, and why he’s been better in QPR’s flatter midfield.

Paterson both footed and probably capable of classier bits of skill than Freeman.

Yep, agree.

Freeman scored 9 last season didn't he?

8 (7 LG + 1 Cup) 

Good amount for someone who never had the best shot except that goal against Ipswich. Paterson doesn't score as many as he maybe should.

Agree, still a snatcher imho though stats defy this...so one to watch more closely next season.

If I had a choice out of the two I would keep Pato.

Pato suits the way LJ likes to play.  But Freeman certainly a very good championship player. Will be interesting to see how he gets on in the prem if he goes there.

Yes, and perversely I would rather have Pato, yet you’d never value him at £4m like Freeman.  Weird world is football.

 

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To me, Paterson is more peripheral and Freeman more of a playmaker. Freeman is more skilful but with us in the Championship, made too many bad choices. I think he’s basically more skilful, but needs persuading to cut out the flourishes more often.

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So...

from Freeman of The City to 

- Sizzling at Loftus Rd to

- Sheffield ? … could be either Luke Warm or Red Hot with The Blades in the Prem.

Good Luck L F hope you set the Blades on fire !  

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10 hours ago, WhistleHappy said:

So...

from Freeman of The City to 

- Sizzling at Loftus Rd to

- Sheffield ? … could be either Luke Warm or Red Hot with The Blades in the Prem.

Good Luck L F hope you set the Blades on fire !  

Will he cut it with the Blades ? 

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1 hour ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

If Luke Freeman can get to the Prem, then (it must follow that) we can get there too. Can we not? Or doesn't it work like that?

 

That's one way of Luke-ing at it I guess.. 

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14 hours ago, WhistleHappy said:

So...

from Freeman of The City to 

- Sizzling at Loftus Rd to

- Sheffield ? … could be either Luke Warm or Red Hot with The Blades in the Prem.

Good Luck L F hope you set the Blades on fire !  

Think they will see him as a number 10 which imo is his position. Under LJ he was mainly playing wide right, which made him easy to defend against, as he was tending to cut back inside onto his left foot. Best of luck to Luke, think he will do well.

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On 22/06/2019 at 14:26, ExiledAjax said:

Shit. I'd already sent my dossier on Freeman's bench warming skills and football formations to Wilder...but now, thanks to you, I realise how silly that was. Gosh I look a fool.

 

No you should, I’m sure he’d appreciate your opinion. after all, four million is a lot and if it goes belly up Wilder could lose his reputation of getting value  money. 

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