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11 hours ago, Denbury Red said:

You say that but we saw it all last season and you would have thought LJ would have already tried to coach it out of him - we will see if Eddie Howe can do any better!

That’s why he found himself out of the side and struggled to get back in, you’ll never be able to coach concentration and Lloyd lacks that

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12 hours ago, harrys said:

Can’t believe how anyone would want to watch yet another boringly and predictable  England men’s team, unbelievably & surprisingly (to me) there have been some wonderful games in the women’s World Cup, this afternoons USA/ Spain game was another cracker, cannot believe how far the women’s game has progressed since I used to ridicule it so much only a few years ago.

I didnt watch the Romania game but the France game was far from "boring and predictable". 

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12 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

VAR again in the Sweden v Canada game.

Definite penalty given by the referee and she gets a communication from the VAR guys that there may have been an offside in the build up.

It was a couple of inches offside, literally.

Games gone mad - let the ref be in control not a bunch of blokes in front of a bank of Tvs.

Should have been a pen.

Offside is offside. If that was given (like it should have been) then the penalty situation doesn't happen...

12 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

Surely the solution to the VAR is one put forward a number of times. Put the decision as to whether to use it or not in the hands of the managers/captain.

Start of each half each team has a single VAR credit. They can appeal, via the manager and/or captain, any decision they like. If the decision is overturned then they retain their credit. If, however, it is not overturned then they lose their credit and cannot appeal anything else.

  1. This stops VAR being used for every decision.
  2. It should see VAR only being used for the really big, crucial, clearly wrong decisions as no manager would waste his credit on a minor or marginal call.
  3. This stops players complaining when they do or do not think VAR should have been used.
  4. It has been shown to work well in tennis and cricket.
  5. It takes some of the pressure off of the officials as it is no longer their decision to use VAR or not.
  6. It aids transparency.
  7. It would stop players/managers complaining afterwards that they were done over by VAR.

Fine tune it as to how often the credits get refreshed, or whether you say that only red cards, goals, offsides and penalties can be challenged. But it seems an easy way to retain the power of VAR to rectify glaring errors of refereeing whilst also retaining the broader flow and energy of the game.

How does the manager know it's "clearly wrong". Surely it's the marginal ones you would be contesting because it's not obvious - especially if its led to a goal ?

Not sure anyone can say they were "done over" by VAR if it got the decision right and if you dont believe in VAR getting it right then how would a credit system work where you get another appeal if you were right (but VAR might have been wrong) 

Doesn't make any more sense to me and certainly isn't the "solution", IMO

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27 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Offside is offside. If that was given (like it should have been) then the penalty situation doesn't happen...

How does the manager know it's "clearly wrong". Surely it's the marginal ones you would be contesting because it's not obvious - especially if its led to a goal ?

Not sure anyone can say they were "done over" by VAR if it got the decision right and if you dont believe in VAR getting it right then how would a credit system work where you get another appeal if you were right (but VAR might have been wrong) 

Doesn't make any more sense to me and certainly isn't the "solution", IMO

The system needs bedding in that’s for damn sure,

but look at the info in cricket now available getting those marginal wickets,

i do believe though it should also be like cricket where both teams have 3 challenges per game that can be used per game (like an innings in cricket)

and it has to be the manager or team captain who challenges

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2 hours ago, Monkeh said:

That’s why he found himself out of the side and struggled to get back in, you’ll never be able to coach concentration and Lloyd lacks that

That is a unwise view. All players go through age related (mistake) phases. The great Rio Ferdinand did.

Concentration is related to experience, hours played, hours coached and mindset. It is obviously psychological and involves high levels of learning (teaching). 

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