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England v. USA Matchday Thread

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5 minutes ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

Luckily those in charge know the rules, perhaps should educate yourself with the rules 

Missing the point, much? Should be 2-2, no off-side decision and no penalty decision. VAR is seriously wrecking the game. 

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10 minutes ago, Unan said:

Why isn't Ellen White taking penalties?

Exactly. Must be brimming with confidence surely. 

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Great to see the girls keeping up our record of glorious failure in World Cup Semi Finals.   Don't want to be mr hindsight........but always told by my coach to strike the ball hard down the middle of thr goal with late pens......as the keeper will almost always dive one way or the other in desperation to be a hero!

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11 minutes ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

Always one idiot on here, sad sad comment 

Tbf women make the same comments when watching football. I have a friend who picked her fantasy football team based on how hot the players were

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6 minutes ago, City Rocker said:

Missing the point, much? Should be 2-2, no off-side decision and no penalty decision. VAR is seriously wrecking the game. 

To be fair to Fifa, they were reluctant to introduce VAR for years because of the disruption it would cause the game. They dont often get things right, but they were spot on there

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4 minutes ago, Bas's perfect hattrick said:

Tbf women make the same comments when watching football. I have a friend who picked her fantasy football team based on how hot the players were

Hörður Magnússon, no woman noticed or ever commented he was good looking.

Alex Morgan is sheet hot,  **** you lot who think we shouldn't say what we think    :laugh:

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12 minutes ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

 

And boom like a London bus another arrives

 

even the US commentator said that in the Past the US won games based on their athleticism which was not always pretty to watch, but have now coached good football onto that athletic team to create what they now have.

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17 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Can’t argue with the second yellow and sending off of Bright. She is the weak link at the back for me, certainly her passing has been shaky. 

I would say in the men's game it's a straight red

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Really hope the USA don't win it they are the worst example of cheating, diving, throwing themselves around I've seen in the whole tournament (some will call it gamesmanship, I call it F88king cheating). no doubt a talented team but some of the worst sportsmanship, Morgan a great player but no need to for all her antics...

and as for VAR gonna be 20mins added on to every prem game next season gonna become a yawn fest waiting for every decision to be checked needs to be refined as gonna take the soul out of the game as it is... 

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1 minute ago, Fiale said:

 

even the US commentator said that in the Past the US won games based on their athleticism which was not always pretty to watch, but have now coached good football onto that athletic team to create what they now have.

I think that’s a fair point.

The USA team to me just seemed to be that bit physically stronger, with always an extra half a yard and bit of power. The way England could beat that would have been technique, but the passing was off and the US were as good technically if not better. The lack of physical strength was shown when England just couldn’t get out, and when a long ball was needed, not hit it long in the last five.

Probably short of the US on a physical basis, and not good enough with technique to pull it round. Didn’t play well in my opinion, but no shame in finishing in the semi finals

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Hopefully the Dutch will get to the final and beat the yanks. I've got Dutch family which is always useful when I need an international football "plan B" 🤣

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Been an amazing World Cup. Watched that game in a packed pub. Wouldn’t have thought that would happen before this tournament

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For me personally, I’m quite happy to have a game without VAR.

I very much enjoyed the game without it.

Its adds nothing for me, it’s just killed the excitement and fortune that made it an exciting game to enjoy in person.

Poor old football, hell bent on destroying itself.

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41 minutes ago, Super said:

Yes women never make such comments

Yes my fav team was Gary Lineker, Thierry Henry, David Ginola, paulo Maldini, (most of the Italian team at the time), can’t remember who else

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Frustrating. The USA are a very good side, but England pushed them all the way and should have taken it to extra time. In those key moments we just didn’t get it right - two free headers for both their goals, a weakly-struck penalty and overall some sloppy passing. Frustration seemed to get the better of us after the penalty miss and even more so after the (rightful) red card.

That VAR decision for the disallowed goal was so marginal. Something doesn’t seem quite right with players being deemed offside when the distances involved are so infinitesimally small. 

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2 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

If it does be sure to phone home and make sure everyone knows.

Yep phoned home to let them know I won my bet......now gonna buy a load of M&M's  😇

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Enjoyed some of the a world Cup but the atmosphere - or lack of - makes it of minor interest. 

The absence of diving is a godsend though. 

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serious question ..... if the England women played at a competitive level ... would they compete in the Championship?  National League?

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12 minutes ago, swampy said:

serious question ..... if the England women played at a competitive level ... would they compete in the Championship?  National League?

They would lose to the local team city are playing this weekend. Not even joking. Wasn’t is the Australian womens team who played an u16 boys team this year and lost like 10-0? 

Obviously I was pro USA but told the misses we were like the Brazilian mens team. They are experts in s***housery anyway. 

Should have been 2-2. How can you have offside with no camera angle in line with the defenders? Goal should have stood. 

Was never a pen though and should have corrected the offside. England were unlucky and the english population should be proud. 

USA been a powerhouse for years but everyone else catching up. The US women(and men) need to start going abroad a bit more of they will end up falling behind 

Edit- The Australian women lost 7-0 to an U15 boys team and the USA women lost to FC Dallas u15 5-2 after the Shebelieves Cup

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1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

 

Edit- The Australian women lost 7-0 to an U15 boys team 

And the boys team wasn't even their 1st XI as 3 were on holiday! 🤣

It was all over the news here at the time, with much embarassment all round from all parties, especially the Boys Teams manager who tried to talk up how good the Australian Womens Team were......

Give it 10 yrs for coaching and sports science to catch up and then it will be much better, but putting garbage like the womens league (W-League) on live TV 3pm Saturday afternoon is just cringeworthy as it is utterly abysmal.

It does the game more harm than good.

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1 hour ago, SX227 said:

And the boys team wasn't even their 1st XI as 3 were on holiday! 🤣

It was all over the news here at the time, with much embarassment all round from all parties, especially the Boys Teams manager who tried to talk up how good the Australian Womens Team were......

Give it 10 yrs for coaching and sports science to catch up and then it will be much better, but putting garbage like the womens league (W-League) on live TV 3pm Saturday afternoon is just cringeworthy as it is utterly abysmal.

It does the game more harm than good.

They will never do it but think they should make the pitch and goals smaller. I fully expect the game to get better but when that happens what happens with the keepers? They aren’t saving many from 25 yards as it is when there is any kind of force. 

Think they should do this in a lot of women sports. Basketball for example they play on the same size goals as men. You get a handful who can dunk(usually 6’4 or taller) and everyone else fall way short. Lower it to 9 foot and see a bit more action. Not trying to sound misogynistic but physically women usually well short of men. So level the playing field a bit. 

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6 hours ago, swampy said:

serious question ..... if the England women played at a competitive level ... would they compete in the Championship?  National League?

Is it relevant? 

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9 hours ago, keflav said:

Really hope the USA don't win it they are the worst example of cheating, diving, throwing themselves around I've seen in the whole tournament (some will call it gamesmanship, I call it F88king cheating). no doubt a talented team but some of the worst sportsmanship, Morgan a great player but no need to for all her antics...

and as for VAR gonna be 20mins added on to every prem game next season gonna become a yawn fest waiting for every decision to be checked needs to be refined as gonna take the soul out of the game as it is... 

Really? Playing devils advocate but in my eyes England were the worst. The play acting against Scotland in the opening game was laughable. Last night both teams were as bad as each other when it came to going down easily.

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8 hours ago, swampy said:

serious question ..... if the England women played at a competitive level ... would they compete in the Championship?  National League?

Funnily enough, had the same discussion with a mate. Conference, maybe? But the men's game is faster and more physical. It's relatively early days for the women's game at a professional level. Give it ten years... didn't they say that in the USA, there are more female footballers at college?

1 hour ago, RedDave said:

Is it relevant? 

It's a bit "apples and oranges"

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10 hours ago, keflav said:

Really hope the USA don't win it they are the worst example of cheating, diving, throwing themselves around I've seen in the whole tournament (some will call it gamesmanship, I call it F88king cheating). no doubt a talented team but some of the worst sportsmanship, Morgan a great player but no need to for all her antics...

and as for VAR gonna be 20mins added on to every prem game next season gonna become a yawn fest waiting for every decision to be checked needs to be refined as gonna take the soul out of the game as it is... 

Sorry, but that's rubbish. USA managed the game well, and one thing that everyone I know has commented on is the lack of play acting in the women's game. And, indeed, serious fouls.

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1 minute ago, SecretSam said:

Sorry, but that's rubbish. USA managed the game well, and one thing that everyone I know has commented on is the lack of play acting in the women's game. And, indeed, serious fouls.

The level of play acting overall has been very little but last night was taken up a notch, but hey that's just my opinion (still hope USA don't win though 🙂 )  

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1 hour ago, SecretSam said:

Funnily enough, had the same discussion with a mate. Conference, maybe? But the men's game is faster and more physical. It's relatively early days for the women's game at a professional level. Give it ten years... didn't they say that in the USA, there are more female footballers at college?

It's a bit "apples and oranges"

Well respected womens national teams have been hammered by under 15's boys sides and I couldn't see that happening from Toolstation up.

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Honestly, don't understand why people feel the need to compare women's and men's football all the time. They are completely different games. 

Serena Williams is by far the greatest female tennis player of all time, but you don't hear people trying to lessen her achievements just because she'd lose to most professional male players. Because men's and women's tennis are also completely different games. 

Just enjoy both games for what they are. 

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11 million watched England on tv last night.

Hopefully more young females will want to emulate the likes of Lucy Bronze rather than the damaging role models of love Island.

Bristol female football is on the up, as it is nationally and at its peak … Something to celebrate and encourage.

 

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7 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

 

Think they should do this in a lot of women sports. Basketball for example they play on the same size goals as men. You get a handful who can dunk(usually 6’4 or taller) and everyone else fall way short. Lower it to 9 foot and see a bit more action. Not trying to sound misogynistic but physically women usually well short of men. So level the playing field a bit. 

I wouldn't mind playing basketball

 

11 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

11 million watched England on tv last night.

Hopefully more young females will want to emulate the likes of Lucy Bronze rather than the damaging role models of love Island.

Bristol female football is on the up, as it is nationally and at its peak … Something to celebrate and encourage.

 

If they could emulate a bit of both

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Milly Bright is the answer to the question,  how would an old fashioned 70's style stopper manage in todays football.

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30 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

11 million watched England on tv last night.

Hopefully more young females will want to emulate the likes of Lucy Bronze rather than the damaging role models of love Island.

Bristol female football is on the up, as it is nationally and at its peak … Something to celebrate and encourage.

 

Yes, I would've loved to have been able to play football at school. I did really enjoy hockey but football would've been my first choice if it was available 

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12 hours ago, swampy said:

serious question ..... if the England women played at a competitive level ... would they compete in the Championship?  National League?

The Gas would put double figures on England Women tbf.......probably due to more quality in the fional turd. You would have to go down to Southern League imo before they would be competitive.

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2 hours ago, elhombrecito said:

Honestly, don't understand why people feel the need to compare women's and men's football all the time. They are completely different games. 

Serena Williams is by far the greatest female tennis player of all time, but you don't hear people trying to lessen her achievements just because she'd lose to most professional male players. Because men's and women's tennis are also completely different games. 

Just enjoy both games for what they are. 

It’s nothing more than a discussion point on a football forum tbf.

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Interesting VAR discussions again, offside was technically right by the letter of the law again though it does just kill the celebrations and can understand why people are opposed.

Penalty was a penalty in my eyes. You can say the contact was "minimal" but in that moment at pace any slight contact especially to kicking leg would be enough to prevent you scoring. VAR worked, the ref wouldnt have given it but upon reflection you can see from one of the angles that actually knee against foot and it threw the striker off balance. Is it intentional? Probably not but it's clumsy and a foul doesn't have to be deliberate to be a foul. Also, it doesn't matter if it's only a foul from one camera angle - it means the others are deceptive not that it didnt happen.

The men v women debate gets brought up a lot. It was like Men against boys (women against girls?) in spells, when USA put on the pressure ENG had no composure at all. It was like watching a Prem side against a non-league team in the FA Cup. However, having watched a few of the games, and one game live I would say a lot of the unforced errors of miss placed passes and poor crossing (as in no immediate pressure on the kicker) wouldn't even happen at Toolstation level. That said, watching live the game is played at a quicker pace than you might realise through the TV.

I think most mens teams would beat the women on physicality and athleticism alone, even if the women had better technique with less composure. I also think you see more contrast between the better and worse players within a womens team than you would a mens side.

 

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