Guest Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 39 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Clarke is back at Leeds on a season long loan though. Yep only just noticed that. Seems a lot of unrest though. I wonder if MB will last the season. Whole thing seems fairly volatile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 46 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: And rightly so. Couldn’t believe he didn’t haul him off there and then - though maybe they had used all their subs, can’t remember. I said to myself there and then he’d be gone in the summer if Bielsa stays! I wouldn’t of hauled him off, yes it was Bielsa’s call to give Villa the goal, but Jansson imo was absolutely spot on with his actions, Leeds had every right to carry on when they scored. Play to the whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Unan said: Just been on the Leeds forum, Jannson has gone from "without a doubt the best CB in the divison" to "he was good but he's not on the same level as players like Webster" Fickle lot. We would never do something like that on OTIB, would we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 49 minutes ago, BCFC11 said: I wouldn’t of hauled him off, yes it was Bielsa’s call to give Villa the goal, but Jansson imo was absolutely spot on with his actions, Leeds had every right to carry on when they scored. Play to the whistle. He most definitely wasn’t. His manager had clearly communicated his instruction to let Villa score and he was the one player who tried to oppose it and intervene - albeit half heartedly from memory. Obviously don’t know what’s gone on but suspect strongly that had he stood idly by and watched them score he’d still be a Leeds player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: He most definitely wasn’t. His manager had clearly communicated his instruction to let Villa score and he was the one player who tried to oppose it and intervene - albeit half heartedly from memory. Obviously don’t know what’s gone on but suspect strongly that had he stood idly by and watched them score he’d still be a Leeds player. That’s your opinion, but I fail to see why Bielsa/Leeds let Villa score that goal, all because the Villa players just stopped playing, rules are play should only be stopped when a head injury occurs not when Kodjia injures himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: He most definitely wasn’t. His manager had clearly communicated his instruction to let Villa score and he was the one player who tried to oppose it and intervene - albeit half heartedly from memory. Obviously don’t know what’s gone on but suspect strongly that had he stood idly by and watched them score he’d still be a Leeds player. Although you have to follow manager’s orders, as a fan I would want to see the passion that Jannsson showed that day. It showed he cared in what was still a big big game, despite play offs being decided. And as a manager surely you’d have to admire those same traits even though you wouldn’t be happy with him showing dissent? It was nowhere near the Kepa situation for example. Players show that they are cheesed off with a manager’s decision regularly these days, so if that’s the reason they’ve let him go it strikes me as cutting off their noses to spite their face. More fool them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, BCFC11 said: That’s your opinion, but I fail to see why Bielsa/Leeds let Villa score that goal, all because the Villa players just stopped playing, rules are play should only be stopped when a head injury occurs not when Kodjia injures himself. I think the problem was Leeds slowed down & implide they were stopping, then played a quick pass forward and within 7 seconds the ball was in the net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, BCFC11 said: That’s your opinion, but I fail to see why Bielsa/Leeds let Villa score that goal, all because the Villa players just stopped playing, rules are play should only be stopped when a head injury occurs not when Kodjia injures himself. I agree but that’s not the point I was making. Publicly defying your managers orders is never going to end well for the player. Unless you’re Kepa of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, lenred said: Although you have to follow manager’s orders, as a fan I would want to see the passion that Jannsson showed that day. It showed he cared in what was still a big big game, despite play offs being decided. And as a manager surely you’d have to admire those same traits even though you wouldn’t be happy with him showing dissent? It was nowhere near the Kepa situation for example. Players show that they are cheesed off with a manager’s decision regularly these days, so if that’s the reason they’ve let him go it strikes me as cutting off their noses to spite their face. More fool them. I see both sides. As a fan I think you’d appreciate it, as a manager you’d be fuming. And if you are seen to accept it what does that say to the rest of the squad? That it’s ok to throw your toys out the pram publicly? There’s no doubt more to it than just that moment, but Bielsa strikes me as a manager who won’t tolerate that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: I agree but that’s not the point I was making. Publicly defying your managers orders is never going to end well for the player. Unless you’re Kepa of course Sorry for the misunderstanding. I guess his emotions took over in what was a huge game at the time, I’d of done the exact same in his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said: Joy Division oven gloves. The best kind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 Reading through Leeds forum , it appears that the belief is Bielsa didn’t overly rate Jansson and preferred Cooper and Beradi only to be knocked off course with Beradi getting injured. The walk in goal was publicly and clearly an issue but may actually have been the final straw rather than the reason Going by Jansson’s antics a couple of times at AG and in other games he’s clearly a ‘lively’ character with a strong voice We don’t know what effect he had on the other players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilf Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: Nero fiddles whilst... Checking out the Quantocks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 Looks like FFP was a factor in the sale at least. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/pontus-jansson-sale-reveals-leeds-3070835 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 44 minutes ago, chinapig said: Looks like FFP was a factor in the sale at least. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/pontus-jansson-sale-reveals-leeds-3070835 Likely the owner not putting in the equity that most at this level do the difference there, because beyond that...looking at their turnover, their most recent wages and estimated losses- well it has to be that in an FFP context. Potential cash flow issues too maybe, without sales- their owner and a former business partner possibly getting sued by Chinese ex business partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 On 06/07/2019 at 13:42, daored said: Villa are looking for a centre back ! Villa are looking for a tea lady. They are in for Doris but we have told them that they haven't met our valuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 6 hours ago, steveybadger said: The best kind! Sold my grandfathers clock to open up a store selling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Likely the owner not putting in the equity that most at this level do the difference there, because beyond that...looking at their turnover, their most recent wages and estimated losses- well it has to be that in an FFP context. Potential cash flow issues too maybe, without sales- their owner and a former business partner possibly getting sued by Chinese ex business partners. Leeds made a profit in 16/17, so can only assume they are working to the £15m rather than £39m FFP limits or have cash flow issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Leeds made a profit in 16/17, so can only assume they are working to the £15m rather than £39m FFP limits or have cash flow issues. Sounds about right, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 On 06/07/2019 at 13:23, bengalcub said: Would sign him in a heartbeat . Yes good back up if webster did leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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