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Coming out as homosexual in the Championship

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Just now, RedDave said:

It’s reported more as it happens more. Brexit has given license to it. 

Be better if you kept  your political nonsense and posts for the appropriate forum

you can’t post more than a couple without sliding into it 

 

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1 minute ago, RedDave said:

I cringe at your closed mindedness! 

My mind is open, I just don't need approval from a load of internet weirdos thanks sweetie

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8 minutes ago, Lucan said:

So now the obvious wind up has been put on ice, can OTIB members now stop competing to show how cool they are with the world of LGBTQIAPK+ ...?

The number of posts on here from people just itching to show how open minded they are just makes me cringe

Embrace it. It's really very important that people vocally show support for causes like LGBT+. The effect discrimination can have on young people trying to figure out who they are can be devastating, as can the consequences. If people want to speak out in support they should!

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Just now, BobBobSuperBob said:

Be better if you kept  your political nonsense and posts for the appropriate forum

you can’t post more than a couple without sliding into it 

 

To be fair, if you read the article Roisin Hood (Kick it Out’s chief) says exactly the same thing so it may have some truth behind it

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1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Be better if you kept  your political nonsense and posts for the appropriate forum

you can’t post more than a couple without sliding into it 

 

It’s not nonsense if it’s relevant. After Brexit racism has been on the rise in this country.  That’s an appropriate point to make. It just doesn’t fit your agenda so you don’t like it. 

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1 minute ago, BCFCGav said:

Embrace it. It's really very important that people vocally show support for causes like LGBT+. The effect discrimination can have on young people trying to figure out who they are can be devastating, as can the consequences. If people want to speak out in support they should!

Nah. I would rather just treat it as normal and not race to OTIB and make a post to show how woke I am

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Just now, JBFC II said:

To be fair, if you read the article Roisin Hood (Kick it Out’s chief) says exactly the same thing so it may have some truth behind it

It’s clear. Statistically and anecdotally.  New life has been breathed into racists up and down the country.  I am guessing gay people scare Neanderthal’s more than non-white people so a gay footballer will get abuse. 

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5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Try .......it’s now reported more and recorded in finite detail in a million places

 

 

 

That would be my initial thought on the reported figures rising. In that BBC link it states that it includes social media and grassroots football. I can't see that it's risen on the professional games at stadiums but I only go to Ashton Gate. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Lucan said:

Nah. I would rather just treat it as normal and not race to OTIB and make a post to show how woke I am

You raced to OTIB to criticise 'woke' people instead!

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Just now, mozo said:

You raced to OTIB to criticise 'woke' people instead!

Raced...?

This topic is weeks old you daft fool

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2 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

That would be my initial thought on the reported figures rising. In that BBC link it states that it includes social media and grassroots football. I can't see that it's risen on the professional games at stadiums but I only go to Ashton Gate. 

 

Since Brexit I’ve known of a few racist incidents at Ashton Gate. Wolves last season, Cardiff season before are the two I can remember the specific game. Hadn’t heard any for years before Brexit.

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7 minutes ago, Lucan said:

Nah. I would rather just treat it as normal and not race to OTIB and make a post to show how woke I am

By all means, don't post about it. No problem. But if other people want to (especially on a thread about it...), don't call them out on it.

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Just now, RedDave said:

Since Brexit I’ve known of a few racist incidents at Ashton Gate. Wolves last season, Cardiff season before are the two I can remember the specific game. Hadn’t heard any for years before Brexit.

Racist towards players?or chants about that places those teams are from? 

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1 minute ago, Lucan said:

Raced...?

This topic is weeks old you daft fool

You've been following this thread from day one in a darkened room, taking your anti-woke fury out on your cat.

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1 minute ago, mozo said:

You've been following this thread from day one in a darkened room, taking your anti-woke fury out on your cat.

Got me!

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Just now, Lucan said:

Got me!

God I need some actual football to happen...

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3 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

Racist towards players?or chants about that places those teams are from? 

Towards players. I confronted two men against Cardiff myself and got no back up from other city fans, the steward didn’t want to know and (going by their lack of correspondence with me) neither did the club afterwards. 

I am surprised if anyone doesn’t realise that racism is on the rise. Seems quite a blinkered view.  Many callers into LBC and the like have said how they have received more abuse since Brexit. 

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33 minutes ago, RedDave said:

It’s not nonsense if it’s relevant. After Brexit racism has been on the rise in this country.  That’s an appropriate point to make. It just doesn’t fit your agenda so you don’t like it. 

Unlike you , I havnt got any agenda . I couldn’t give a flying **** about Brexit or politics full stop 

There is one poster on the forum who stands out as having a political agenda and including showing it  it on as many threads as possible  

Football has come on in massive leaps n bounds regarding racism

As somebody who’s been in the terraces for 40 odd years football is a relative church now 

I seriously can’t recall the last time  I’ve heard anything mumbled let alone shouted or chanted at football that could be constituted as racist

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1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Unlike you , I havnt got any agenda . I couldn’t give a flying **** about Brexit or politics full stop 

There is one poster on the forum who stands out as having a political agenda and including showing it  it on as many threads as possible  

You couldn’t give a flying **** about brexit or politics?

Im surprised you don’t care about what happens to your country really, whatever your stance the fact we have a democracy where everyone has a voice is something we should be proud of. To not care about that is sad to be honest

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5 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

You couldn’t give a flying **** about brexit or politics?

Im surprised you don’t care about what happens to your country really, whatever your stance the fact we have a democracy where everyone has a voice is something we should be proud of. To not care about that is sad to be honest

No I dont

And when you’ve lived life a tad longer , finished University , and step into the real world for a few decades , you might not either

Anyway I needn’t worry - RedDave is on his one man crusade to change the world from his HQ in St George

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4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

No I dont

And when you’ve lived life a tad longer , finished University , and step into the real world for a few decades , you might not either

Very weird way of looking at things. Personally I think it’s important to have a voice and use our democracy, something that my ancestors have fought and died for

Each to their own though I suppose 

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1 minute ago, JBFC II said:

Very weird way of looking at things. Personally I think it’s important to have a voice and use our democracy, something that my ancestors have fought and died for

Each to their own though I suppose 

Opinions are often better based on actual experience , not tutors views

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2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

No I dont

And when you’ve lived life a tad longer , finished University , and step into the real world for a few decades , you might not either

Exactly. Eventually he'll realise that all that we perceive is illusory, that we're all just part of an atomic soup, and that nothing can be truly known.

That's what you meant, isn't it?

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2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Opinions are often better based on actual experience , not tutors views

Completely agree, hence why I haven’t been influenced politically by any tutor and am basing my opinions off of my admittedly limited experience.

Thanks for the patronising advice though...

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1 hour ago, paul_fox said:

Maybe i worded it wrong. But yeah I know a lot of the gay community don't like the attention etc. Possibly a pr stunt by a group or media to get others to come out as they'd be all over it whilst most fans wouldn't really care  

I think it's much more likely that the individual in question couldn't go through with it. Whatever people say about fans not caring, they will get abuse. They'll get abuse from opposition fans if they're playing well, they'll get abuse from their own fans if they're playing poorly. The media and trolls on Twitter will harass them and their family. I'm not sure why anyone would think this would be the "so what?" occurrence that it should be. That's not all aimed at you btw; there are plenty of people who seem to think a footballer coming out as gay would pass without incident, but it won't

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6 hours ago, AshtonGreat said:

I think all the new 'gender identities' that keep cropping up are already painting people in the LGBTQ+ as attention seekers. I know several people in that community who aren't happy about it. 

What 'new' gender identities..

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6 hours ago, AshtonGreat said:

I think all the new 'gender identities' that keep cropping up are already painting people in the LGBTQ+ as attention seekers. I know several people in that community who aren't happy about it. 

What is the Q bit?

I am a bit behind the times, I thought it was just LGBT.

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2 hours ago, RedDave said:

Since Brexit I’ve known of a few racist incidents at Ashton Gate. Wolves last season, Cardiff season before are the two I can remember the specific game. Hadn’t heard any for years before Brexit.

How ******* stupid is it to link incidents at AG to Brexit.

Presumably the offenders told you ?

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1 hour ago, JBFC II said:

Very weird way of looking at things. Personally I think it’s important to have a voice and use our democracy, something that my ancestors have fought and died for

Each to their own though I suppose 

That democratic vote didn't go down too well with some mind...

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2 hours ago, Lucan said:

So now the obvious wind up has been put on ice, can OTIB members now stop competing to show how cool they are with the world of LGBTQIAPK+ ...?

The number of posts on here from people just itching to show how open minded they are just makes me cringe

 

9 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said:

What is the Q bit?

I am a bit behind the times, I thought it was just LGBT.

LGBTQIAPK - Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Queer, Intersex, Asexual, Pansexual and Kinkiness.

Some abbreviations drop the K and add a Q for Questioning and a A for Ally (straight people that support gay rights)

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16 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said:

What is the Q bit?

I am a bit behind the times, I thought it was just LGBT.

Behind the times? 

I'm still at male and female!

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12 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

That democratic vote didn't go down too well with some mind...

MPs mainly!  :whistle:

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6 minutes ago, Big C said:

LGBTQIAPK

Wouldn't want to get those letters on Countdown 😉🏳️‍🌈

You would if you were Polish! :D

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2 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Unlike you , I havnt got any agenda . I couldn’t give a flying **** about Brexit or politics full stop 

There is one poster on the forum who stands out as having a political agenda and including showing it  it on as many threads as possible  

Football has come on in massive leaps n bounds regarding racism

As somebody who’s been in the terraces for 40 odd years football is a relative church now 

I seriously can’t recall the last time  I’ve heard anything mumbled let alone shouted or chanted at football that could be constituted as racist

Your agenda is to wind people up as far as I can tell. 

I only usually talk politics on political threads but this point is relevant on this one

46 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

How ******* stupid is it to link incidents at AG to Brexit.

Presumably the offenders told you ?

Racism in general is on the increase. If you don’t know that then you are the stupid one.

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29 minutes ago, downendcity said:

You would if you were Polish! :D

Racist.

Brexit’s fault, again.

🇬🇧

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6 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

Sorry, I should've said sexual identities. Pan-romantic, etc

Wtf is pan-romantic?

No wonder the bloke hasn't come out, he probably can't work out what slot he fits in (if you will pardon the inuendo).

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1 hour ago, Septic Peg said:

 

LGBTQIAPK - Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Queer, Intersex, Asexual, Pansexual and Kinkiness.

Some abbreviations drop the K and add a Q for Questioning and a A for Ally (straight people that support gay rights)

Is that serious? Or have I been whooshed? 

I thought queer was a derogatory term for a homosexual.

And why isn't homosexual in the list?

And what is intersex?

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Bloody hell. I just googled it and it is all real. 

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Get down with the kids ignorance
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8 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said:

Is that serious? Or have I been whooshed? 

I thought queer was a derogatory term for a homosexual.

And why isn't homosexual in the list?

And what is intersex?

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Bloody hell. I just googled it and it is all real. 

The whole thing is merely a fabrication by manufacturers of flags and banners so that people have to buy knew ones each year.

It isn't one big happy family either; there was considerable opposition when the Chief Exec of Stonewall decided to add the T to LGB in 2015 because T by allowing self-selection of gender was thought to be in conflict with LGB which strongly equates sex with gender and the sometimes violent conflicts continue.

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7 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

The whole thing is merely a fabrication by manufacturers of flags and banners so that people have to buy knew ones each year.

It isn't one big happy family either; there was considerable opposition when the Chief Exec of Stonewall decided to add the T to LGB in 2015 because T by allowing self-selection of gender was thought to be in conflict with LGB which strongly equates sex with gender and the sometimes violent conflicts continue.

While it’s true that it’s not always a happy family, “LGBT” has been around since at least the 1990s, not 2015.

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32 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said:

Wtf is pan-romantic?

 

It's like new romantics, but they enjoy the novels of JM Barrie.

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6 minutes ago, BS2 Red said:

While it’s true that it’s not always a happy family, “LGBT” has been around since at least the 1990s, not 2015.

I meant specifically to that organisation's campaigning rather than in general though I accept that I didn't make that sufficiently clear. 

Extract from their wiki page:

 

Following the passage of equal marriage laws, Stonewall sought a new focus. On 16 February 2015 Stonewall announced their plan to campaign for trans equality in a report generated from consultation with over 700 trans people,[50] despite previously maintaining a "a strict distinction between sexual orientation and gender identity"

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49 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said:

Wtf is pan-romantic?

No wonder the bloke hasn't come out, he probably can't work out what slot he fits in (if you will pardon the inuendo).

Sex with woks

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5 hours ago, JBFC II said:

Very weird way of looking at things. Personally I think it’s important to have a voice and use our democracy, something that my ancestors have fought and died for

Each to their own though I suppose 

It’s not though, is it..?

We now have a man in charge of our country who not one single member of the general public has voted to be put there. 

How is that democracy serving the nation well..?! 

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6 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Unlike you , I havnt got any agenda . I couldn’t give a flying **** about Brexit or politics full stop 

 There is one poster on the forum who stands out as having a political agenda and including showing it  it on as many threads as possible  

Football has come on in massive leaps n bounds regarding racism

As somebody who’s been in the terraces for 40 odd years football is a relative church now 

I seriously can’t recall the last time  I’ve heard anything mumbled let alone shouted or chanted at football that could be constituted as racist

Cold-hard fact: Reported incidents are up by almost half

Your opinion: It's just down to more incidents being reported

Your opinion: Because @BobBobSuperBob hasn't seen any racism in at Ashton Gate, it must have come on "leaps and bounds".

Can you just correct me if any of that's wrong please, and if the last two points are based on anything other than your own anecdotal evidence?

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51 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

It’s not though, is it..?

We now have a man in charge of our country who not one single member of the general public has voted to be put there. 

How is that democracy serving the nation well..?! 

Ummm. As far as I’m aware Tory members are still the ‘general public’

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8 minutes ago, Robin1988 said:

Fact: Reported incidents are up by almost half

Opinion: It's just down to more incidents being reported

Opinion: Because @BobBobSuperBob hasn't seen any racism in at Ashton Gate, it must have come on "leaps and bounds".

Can you just correct me if any of that's wrong please?

That’s it we are al doomed then 

 

 

You think that it’s worse now than the 90s 80s 70s do you ?

Do you ? 

im sure a literate like you will realise that for one they changed what is regarded as a racist incident for recording purposes do you ?

Unsurprisingly that effects the figures you rely on so heavily

🤣🤣

 

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1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

It’s not though, is it..?

We now have a man in charge of our country who not one single member of the general public has voted to be put there. 

How is that democracy serving the nation well..?! 

Gordon Brown ring any bells? 

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