And Its Smith Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: One we will obviously disagree on I don’t rate Harry Kane either well certainly not as highly as others. Not world class imho Surprised. More to being a world class striker than scoring goals but 150 in 220 for club and country combined is pretty sensational. His link up play is excellent too I would say What is it about him you don’t like? All depends what world class means though I guess! I generally define it as if you made the best five teams in the world 4-4-2 , would they get in. So roughly ten strikers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I don’t rate Harry Kane either well certainly not as highly as others. Not world class imho Really? 125 goals in 178 appearances for Spurs at the very highest level. 16th in the all-time England goalscoring charts, despite having only played for four years, and a goals per game ratio better than Hurst, Shearer, Charlton, Owen, Rooney and Finney. Definitely world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, RedDave said: Surprised. More to being a world class striker than scoring goals but 150 in 220 for club and country combined is pretty sensational. His link up play is excellent too I would say What is it about him you don’t like? All depends what world class means though I guess! I generally define it as if you made the best five teams in the world 4-4-2 , would they get in. So roughly ten strikers He is a good finisher. I can not deny that. I just don’t rate the rest of his game that much (should state I mean at international level). I don’t see him dragging an England team upwards. England aren’t good enough to just have a player up top who only scores goals! Again, most people will disagree. I’m fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 Selling the real SuperBob Idiot Lumsden ‘He won’t score goals at this level’ No Jimmy - he will score over 100 at 1 in 2 for West Brom , most in division one , the division above us Useless miserable Scottish munster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, FrozenRobin said: Hello Yes I am new. No I have not made resolution to make a thread every day in July Yes some of my threads are poor Welcome to OTIB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshPrinceofBristol Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 12 hours ago, sticks 1969 said: Taking off lineker and replacing with smith at Euro 92 when we were losing 2 1 to Sweden in fact the hole bloody tournament Shearer was on the bench as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 After scoring 5 in 6 England appearances not including Big John in the 1958 World Cup squad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 A few that spring to mind: Sir Alf Ramsey taking Charlton off and messing with the shape of the team against West Germany in 1970. Sir Alex not picking Alan Hansen for the 1986 World Cup. Real Madrid signing Jonathan Woodgate. Sir Alex signing Ralph Milne Newcastle selling Cole to Man Utd Our managerial appointments between 1999 and 2000 including Clueless Pulis, Dave Burnside and Tony Fawthrop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sheene Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 6 hours ago, FrozenRobin said: Hello Yes I am new. No I have not made resolution to make a thread every day in July Yes some of my threads are poor Two pages of decent discussion would say this thread is not poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sheene Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: One we will obviously disagree on I don’t rate Harry Kane either well certainly not as highly as others. Not world class imho If you're not world class winning the world cup golden boot then nobody is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Barry Sheene said: If you're not world class winning the world cup golden boot then nobody is. Oleg Salenko, James Rodriguez, David Sukor, Schilliachi?????? Sometimes can depend massively who you play against, taking pens etc. As I said I doubt many agree with my non-rating of Kane or Carrick. It’s not that I think they are bad players, I just don’t get the “top class” views. George Best was world class...never played in a major tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 Southampton sacking Nigel Adkins(54 win %) mid season to bring in some unknown foreign bloke to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sheene Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Oleg Salenko, James Rodriguez, David Sukor, Schilliachi?????? Sometimes can depend massively who you play against, taking pens etc. As I said I doubt many agree with my non-rating of Kane or Carrick. It’s not that I think they are bad players, I just don’t get the “top class” views. George Best was world class...never played in a major tournament Take your point on pens and opposition and would add that top class players in the team will certainly help your cause. However in the top level professional game and particularly on the world stage there no faking it. If you're not good enough you simply will not get selected. Harry Kane being golden boot in the world cup and then playing in the champions League final the following season is no coincidence in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 17 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: Awarding the World Cup to Quatar "Strangest", not "openly corrupt". Also holding the Europa final in Baku for similar reasons. * Schteve Maclaren getting the England job, purely because MACCARONE...... * Danny Wilson leaving out Leroy Lita in the '04 playoff final * Man U hiring Moyes and thinking things wouldn't fall off a cliff * Employing an action replay system in football with no transparent consultation with other sports leagues as how to iron the kinks * Moving 50% of our home games this coming season from Saturday 3pm KOs. WITAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj77 Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 17 hours ago, Davefevs said: About 30 too many Never rated him from the time he got converted to a holding playmaker. Don’t get me wrong decent player, but at Man Utd you needed to be better than that. Never saw him run a game against top opposition. Never saw him give a sterling protective performance in a crucial European game for example. Suspect I’m in a minority of 1. Never seen him give the ball away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 Making Lineker the highest paid presenter on the BBC? (Sorry wrong forum! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Oleg Salenko, James Rodriguez, David Sukor, Schilliachi?????? Sometimes can depend massively who you play against, taking pens etc. As I said I doubt many agree with my non-rating of Kane or Carrick. It’s not that I think they are bad players, I just don’t get the “top class” views. George Best was world class...never played in a major tournament Don't bring Davor Suker into this! That man is a legend. He won the Champions League at club level, third place at the world cup. A world cup golden boot, part of the team of the tournament. Ballon D'or runner up. If you're voted the second best player in the world, but aren't world class, then there must only be 1 player who is. At a certain point, being 'world class' becomes factual rather than a matter of opinion. Davor Suker reached that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 20 hours ago, FrozenRobin said: So I heard that Darren Moore has taken a job at Doncaster Rovers. Got me thinking about how he was sacked. To me was an absolutely ridiculous sacking but I'm not a WBA fan. So is there anything worse than that descion ? Awarding a World Cup to Qatar. Allowing Maradonna's handled goal to stand. What became of the Ref & Linesman who allowed it? The FA & League permitting rule abuse by the larger clubs, but stamping on smaller ones for the same offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, 22A said: Awarding a World Cup to Qatar. Allowing Maradonna's handled goal to stand. What became of the Ref & Linesman who allowed it? The FA & League permitting rule abuse by the larger clubs, but stamping on smaller ones for the same offence. They're in charge of VAR ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Park Reds Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 Leroy Lita not playing against Brighton in the play off final over in Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Victory Park Reds said: Leroy Lita not playing against Brighton in the play off final over in Cardiff. Not playing. Was he not even on the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Barry Sheene said: Take your point on pens and opposition and would add that top class players in the team will certainly help your cause. However in the top level professional game and particularly on the world stage there no faking it. If you're not good enough you simply will not get selected. Harry Kane being golden boot in the world cup and then playing in the champions League final the following season is no coincidence in my opinion. I know he’s a good player (I’m not saying he’s not good enough to play for England), and I accept he is a very good goalscorer, I just don’t think he’s top drawer overall. Yes, controversial. If I had to pick Kane or Lineker (another goalscorer), I would pick Lineker every day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 13 hours ago, One Team In Keynsham said: Notwithstanding the result, picking that midfield seems a strange footballing decision. It was Graham Taylor, rest his soul. He was full of strange footballing decisions. My favourite was dropping Chris Waddle after he finished second in the European footballer of the year vote for Tony Daley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 2 hours ago, The Bard said: It was Graham Taylor, rest his soul. He was full of strange footballing decisions. My favourite was dropping Chris Waddle after he finished second in the European footballer of the year vote for Tony Daley. I have the front page from the sun pre euro 92 with a picture of graham Taylor walking up a grass bank hold the George cross with the headline SIT BACK AND WATCH ENGLAND WITH THE EUROS...... i was home a week later ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 West Ham signing Tevez & Mascherano and all the legal stuff that followed. It did relegate warnock though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 Scott Duncan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 41 minutes ago, The Batman said: West Ham signing Tevez & Mascherano and all the legal stuff that followed. It did relegate warnock though. That was great, all his rants about West Ham cheating etc, coming from someone who got a game abandoned on purpose Blokes a complete to$$er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 22 hours ago, downendcity said: Lita not even on the bench at the Mill Stad. Signing Tony Rougier but not signing his twin brother. I'm sure we signed Anthony as well, theres a classic thread somewhere which discusses both of the brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 You need a goal, you have a freekick on the edge of the box, what do you do? That's right, knock it back to the halfway line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 10 hours ago, Sir Geoff said: Southampton sacking Nigel Adkins(54 win %) mid season to bring in some unknown foreign bloke to replace him. Sometimes a manager has to take the bullet for a result that is just too hard to stomach. Adkins’ job became untenable when he took his Southampton team to play Bristol Rovers. Only beating them 4-0 was just too humiliating and within a couple of days he was understandably replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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