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Judda

Bolton / Bury (Merged)

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How can the FA/EFL not also face punishment for lack of due diligence when the Andersons took over?

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20 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Surely about to suffer a double relegation down to L2 unless a miracle happens. Real shame. 

I know. Got a Bolton fan pal. Feel for them all... not like the Glory days of Jay Jay Ocotcha (so good they named him twice) etc...

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11 minutes ago, Unan said:

How can the FA/EFL not also face punishment for lack of due diligence when the Andersons took over?

We have long suspected the EFL and FA was incompetent (if not corrupt) in the area of due diligence (and indeed VAR) but who are they going to get punished by. FIFA/UEFA don't interfere in domestic football, and if the government intervened FIFA would throw a hissy fit. 

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And the picture accompanying the article is the statue of Nat Lofthouse. What a fall from grace since his time, he would be so sad to see the state of his beloved Wanderers now.

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I'm really struggling to have much sympathy for the club tbh, even if I have a modicum for the fans.

They spent ridiculously beyond their means and reality caught up with them, tough shit.

Plus I've never forgiven the northern bastards after taking a decent sized rock to the bollocks outside Burnden Park after the game it kicked right off at in April 1990 haha.

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Sympathy for their supporters but as a club....definitely not.

They’ve been spending well beyond their means and have been poorly managed ever since their days in the Prem.

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33 minutes ago, sticks 1969 said:

Wasn’t it the Bolton chairman that wanted the premiership ring fenced 

karma .....

Yes it was. Gartside at the time. Feel for supporters but nothing for the club itself. 

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The more football becomes about money , the more this will happen. I wouldn't blame the fans, but I suspect there were a fair amount of them demanding that the chairman 'splashed the cash' in order to keep up with the Joneses, it happens at every club.

I guarantee you that during the course of the upcoming season there will be a fair few demanding that Lansdown gets his hand in his pocket, they would do well to remember 1982.

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2 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

The more football becomes about money , the more this will happen. I wouldn't blame the fans, but I suspect there were a fair amount of them demanding that the chairman 'splashed the cash' in order to keep up with the Joneses, it happens at every club.

I guarantee you that during the course of the upcoming season there will be a fair few demanding that Lansdown gets his hand in his pocket, they would do well to remember 1982.

Your owner has never even put his hand in his pocket! 

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7 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

The more football becomes about money , the more this will happen. I wouldn't blame the fans, but I suspect there were a fair amount of them demanding that the chairman 'splashed the cash' in order to keep up with the Joneses, it happens at every club.

I guarantee you that during the course of the upcoming season there will be a fair few demanding that Lansdown gets his hand in his pocket, they would do well to remember 1982.

I agree, hard to feel sorry for the kind of fans you describe. Those who have no interest in the financial health of the club then complain when chickens come home to roost.

We have those who claim Steve uses FFP as an excuse not to spend what we don't have. Fortunately they seem to be in a minority.

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1 minute ago, chinapig said:

I agree, hard to feel sorry for the kind of fans you describe. Those who have no interest in the financial health of the club then complain when chickens come home to roost.

We have those who claim Steve uses FFP as an excuse not to spend what we don't have. Fortunately they seem to be in a minority.

Bristol City are an incredibly well run club. I think it is inevitable that- if Lansdown remains in charge-  they will get to the Premier League one day. It might not be as quickly as some would like but I do think they will get there.

I'm pinning my hopes on enough meatheads giving him enough stick, that he takes his money and goes home :)

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12 hours ago, Unan said:

How can the FA/EFL not also face punishment for lack of due diligence when the Andersons took over?

This says it all;

In a separate development Bolton’s administrators are taking legal action against Laurence Bassini, the former Watford owner who unsuccessfully tried to buy the club from Ken Anderson this year. It was the collapse of the proposed deal put forward by Bassini, who has twice been declared bankrupt and was banned from owning an EFL club for three years in 2013, that led to Bolton being placed in administration after debts incurred under Anderson remained unpaid. The administrators subsequently made the Football Ventures consortium their preferred bidders, only to hear Bassini claim on TalkSport that he has offered more money up front.

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4 minutes ago, 22A said:

This says it all;

In a separate development Bolton’s administrators are taking legal action against Laurence Bassini, the former Watford owner who unsuccessfully tried to buy the club from Ken Anderson this year. It was the collapse of the proposed deal put forward by Bassini, who has twice been declared bankrupt and was banned from owning an EFL club for three years in 2013, that led to Bolton being placed in administration after debts incurred under Anderson remained unpaid. The administrators subsequently made the Football Ventures consortium their preferred bidders, only to hear Bassini claim on TalkSport that he has offered more money up front.

They went on to say he had been sending them threatening texts and emails.

Doubtless he would pass the fit and proper person test, when you consider some others who have.

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17 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Bristol City are an incredibly well run club. I think it is inevitable that- if Lansdown remains in charge-  they will get to the Premier League one day. It might not be as quickly as some would like but I do think they will get there.

I'm pinning my hopes on enough meatheads giving him enough stick, that he takes his money and goes home :)

Fortunately, OTIB is a meathead free zone.

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38 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Tell me something I don't know.

Putting your hand in your pocket takes time.

23 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Bristol City are an incredibly well run club. I think it is inevitable that- if Lansdown remains in charge-  they will get to the Premier League one day. It might not be as quickly as some would like but I do think they will get there.

I'm pinning my hopes on enough meatheads giving him enough stick, that he takes his money and goes home :)

I think we've had the meathead phase already during Lansdown's ownership. Probably around the time we were struggling towards the bottom of League 1. At the time, nearly everything at the club was shambolic and the stick Lansdown was getting was pretty grim. Situations like Bolton and Coventry have shown our meatheads how bad it could be.

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The good news is that the EFL Ffp rules will prevent clubs overspending and getting into this sort of mess. 

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I would never wish for any club to go bust (other than one), but I find it hard to muster much enthusiasm for Bolton. I hope it turns out ok for them, but I don’t really care.

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3 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Bristol City are an incredibly well run club. I think it is inevitable that- if Lansdown remains in charge-  they will get to the Premier League one day. It might not be as quickly as some would like but I do think they will get there.

I'm pinning my hopes on enough meatheads giving him enough stick, that he takes his money and goes home :)

I think even  the most ardent rovers fans has to admit the club is going in the right direction the way the club is run off the pitch . The ground seems to be used most days for one thing or another and the live shows this year has Really put the ground on the map. Any thing above 8th this season is again progress on last year and as a fan I’ll take that every day off the week

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16 hours ago, Judda said:

I know. Got a Bolton fan pal. Feel for them all... not like the Glory days of Jay Jay Ocotcha (so good they named him twice) etc...

I bet all Bolton fans were protesting about the way the club was run when they were in the Prem though..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1226177/MARTIN-SAMUEL-One-problem-franchise-idea-Phil-Gartside-No-place-Bolton.html

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16 hours ago, Judda said:

I know. Got a Bolton fan pal. Feel for them all... not like the Glory days of Jay Jay Ocotcha (so good they named him twice) etc...

Part of the reason why they are in the mess they find themselves today....

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Ah the old 0-3-2 formation with dual keepers. Not seen that one in years.

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1 minute ago, Gazred said:

Ah the old 0-3-2 formation with dual keepers. Not seen that one in years.

I'm sure in my youth, the term for multiple keepers was a 'rush goalie'.

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9 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I'm sure in my youth, the term for multiple keepers was a 'rush goalie'.

Drop back keepers we used to call them.

Probably not one for FIFA to trial.

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17 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I'm sure in my youth, the term for multiple keepers was a 'rush goalie'.

Yep my school used to say ‘rush’ goalies, or ‘all hands in’ was the other one I think 

basically if the keeper went on a run someone else could drop in and cover for them 

 

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54 minutes ago, internetjef said:

Yep my school used to say ‘rush’ goalies, or ‘all hands in’ was the other one I think 

basically if the keeper went on a run someone else could drop in and cover for them 

 

I grew up in Knowle West and we always called it drop back goalies. 

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Going to the wall aren't they?

Refusing to play the fixture at the end of last season, calling off a friendly (again - not the first time), and a squad so small it makes Rovers look like Man City!!

The tweets from Mark Little above, goes to show how a club like Rovers can afford him. Going so long without being paid, probably jumped at the first club that came calling.

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5 minutes ago, Taz said:

Going to the wall aren't they?

Refusing to play the fixture at the end of last season, calling off a friendly (again - not the first time), and a squad so small it makes Rovers look like Man City!!

The tweets from Mark Little above, goes to show how a club like Rovers can afford him. Going so long without being paid, probably jumped at the first club that came calling.

To be fair, Mark probably makes more money from his removals business than from playing for that lot. 

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14 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

I grew up in Knowle West and we always called it drop back goalies. 

Whitchurch. Either Rush-Back (anyone could be the goalie) or Drop-Back (the goalie could play wherever they wanted but was the goalie nonetheless) 

Well. That's how I remember it anyway! Don't forget good old next goal wins too mind! 

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13 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Whitchurch. Either Rush-Back (anyone could be the goalie) or Drop-Back (the goalie could play wherever they wanted but was the goalie nonetheless) 

Well. That's how I remember it anyway! Don't forget good old next goal wins too mind! 

Hengrove/Whitchurch borders for me.  We used same definition. 

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On 13/07/2019 at 20:39, Loosey Boy said:

Sympathy for their supporters but as a club....definitely not.

They’ve been spending well beyond their means and have been poorly managed ever since their days in the Prem.

Ive mentioned before that I read that in only one of their eleven seasons in the prem did Bolton make a profit. If they coulnd't manage profit in the prem, then what hope have they once relegated.

No one wants to see any club in the position that Bolton now find themselves, but it's a salutary lesson of the dangers facing relegated clubs.

It was to avoid exactly this that I thought ffp rules were in place and it makes the EFL's handling of the issues this summer look even more incompetent and inept. While "selling" their stadium avoided ffp breaches, all it did for Villa, Derby and Wednesday was mask the underlying financial situation which was spending well beyond their income, which is unsustainable.

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On 14/07/2019 at 07:32, Miah Dennehy said:

The more football becomes about money , the more this will happen. I wouldn't blame the fans, but I suspect there were a fair amount of them demanding that the chairman 'splashed the cash' in order to keep up with the Joneses, it happens at every club.

I guarantee you that during the course of the upcoming season there will be a fair few demanding that Lansdown gets his hand in his pocket, they would do well to remember 1982.

Wow an intelligent gashead who’d of thought it,

 

well said

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16 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

I grew up in Knowle West and we always called it drop back goalies. 

Grew up in Southmead,drop back goalies for us too.

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7 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

So rush goalies in the posh parts, and drop backs elsewhere! 😋

I think it's also to do with age or what era you grew up in. As i grew up in Southmead but it was rush keepes when i was in school. I also remember it being called all hands on deck sometimes ha! ha!

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