chinapig Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Chappers said: Thanks for posting, an excellent read. Really glad that we have a committed and prudent owner. Will those of our fans who demand that we spend money we don't have and accuse Steve of using FFP as an excuse take note I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, chinapig said: Will those of our fans who demand that we spend money we don't have and accuse Steve of using FFP as an excuse take note I wonder? The club is owned by Steve who has shedloads of money unlike the people involved at either Bury or Bolton. Mel Morris has stuck two fingers up at FFP legally it appears.and whilst I don't see many demanding that Steve splashes the cash (i'm certainly not), the fact is whether you like it or not, he could if he really wanted to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 Is the John Pelling mentioned in the article the same John Pelling once of this parish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Loon plage said: The club is owned by Steve who has shedloads of money unlike the people involved at either Bury or Bolton. Mel Morris has stuck two fingers up at FFP legally it appears.and whilst I don't see many demanding that Steve splashes the cash (i'm certainly not), the fact is whether you like it or not, he could if he really wanted to. I'm afraid not, FFP is designed to prevent owners simply pouring their money directly into fees and wages. Steve has done that in the past and it ended in relegation. Phil Gartside did the same at Bolton and look at the state they are in. If you were a Bolton fan would you have been cheering him on? Morris isn't a good example as he gambled and failed. Not a role model for anybody I would think. Of course if you aren't bothered if we get into financial trouble again and have to sell assets to pay the bills that's a different matter. Personally I prefer a more responsible approach that doesn't put the club at risk. Edited July 29, 2019 by chinapig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, Loon plage said: The club is owned by Steve who has shedloads of money unlike the people involved at either Bury or Bolton. Mel Morris has stuck two fingers up at FFP legally it appears.and whilst I don't see many demanding that Steve splashes the cash (i'm certainly not), the fact is whether you like it or not, he could if he really wanted to. You say that, but it was only last week people were saying we should spend 12 million on a striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 29 minutes ago, chinapig said: I'm afraid not, FFP is designed to prevent owners simply pouring their money directly into fees and wages. Steve has done that in the past and it ended in relegation. Phil Gartside did the same at Bolton and look at the state they are in. If you were a Bolton fan would you have been cheering him on? Morris isn't a good example as he gambled and failed. Not a role model for anybody I would think. Of course if you aren't bothered if we get into financial trouble again and have to sell assets to pay the bills that's a different matter. Personally I prefer a more responsible approach that doesn't put the club at risk. Silly response you should read posts more carefully I said Steve could spend if he wanted to but I wasn't one of those asking for it. He most certainly did not spend big in the past just allowed a succession of crap managers to spend badly. I suspect Derby will finish above us next season incidentally and Morris is in for the long haul so missing promotion in May 19 isn't a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, Monkeh said: You say that, but it was only last week people were saying we should spend 12 million on a striker £12m isn't mental for a champ striker nowadays i'm afraid for any team aspiring to reach the promised land. Not saying he should spend that, but if he wanted to he most certainly could. Comparing Bury and Bolton owners to ours was plain daft in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Loon plage said: £12m isn't mental for a champ striker nowadays i'm afraid for any team aspiring to reach the promised land. Not saying he should spend that, but if he wanted to he most certainly could. Comparing Bury and Bolton owners to ours was plain daft in my opinion. Mostly agree with this Loon- but it will be interesting to see if the cooling of the market this summer in the Championship (to date) is a bit of a one off or a sign of things to come. Championship strikers and prolific ones to PL or top 4-5 European League clubs yeah- Championship proven or equivalent standard from another League to Championship- that might take a bit of a dip for a while, if this summer anything to go by. Highest fees paid for Zohore and Kalas, around £8-8.5m range- so far of course. Loans, or loans with options/obligations to buy or clever free transfers seem to be kicking in a bit more. Edited July 29, 2019 by Mr Popodopolous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Silly response you should read posts more carefully I said Steve could spend if he wanted to but I wasn't one of those asking for it. He most certainly did not spend big in the past just allowed a succession of crap managers to spend badly. I suspect Derby will finish above us next season incidentally and Morris is in for the long haul so missing promotion in May 19 isn't a disaster. My mistake, apologies. Derby are a bit of an unknown, depending on what players they bring in, having lost their loanees. Morris has been gambling on promotion for more than the one season mind you. It is the cumulative effect of that that led to the ground sale to get them out of a hole of his making. If he gambles again and fails he doesn't have that fall back any more. It will be interesting to see how it pans out this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Loon plage said: £12m isn't mental for a champ striker nowadays i'm afraid for any team aspiring to reach the promised land. Not saying he should spend that, but if he wanted to he most certainly could. Comparing Bury and Bolton owners to ours was plain daft in my opinion. My comparison was with Phil Gartside, very much Bolton's Steve Lansdown at the time, who poured a fortune into the club but with an unsustainable model. He was both their benefactor and their downfall. Edited July 29, 2019 by chinapig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, chinapig said: My mistake, apologies. Derby are a bit of an unknown, depending on what players they bring in, having lost their loanees. Morris has been gambling on promotion for more than the one season mind you. It is the cumulative effect of that that led to the ground sale to get them out of a hole of his making. If he gambles again and fails he doesn't have that fall back any more. It will be interesting to see how it pans out this year. You could well be right about Morris but I would be pleased to finish above them next season personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 minute ago, chinapig said: My comparison was with Phil Gartside, very Fair do's mate Not one of my favourite football people, and I recall with fondness when Martin Samuel ripped him a new one when he started promoting the idea of ringfencing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 21 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Mostly agree with this Loon- but it will be interesting to see if the cooling of the market this summer in the Championship (to date) is a bit of a one off or a sign of things to come. Championship strikers and prolific ones to PL or top 4-5 European League clubs yeah- Championship proven or equivalent standard from another League to Championship- that might take a bit of a dip for a while, if this summer anything to go by. Highest fees paid for Zohore and Kalas, around £8-8.5m range- so far of course. Loans, or loans with options/obligations to buy or clever free transfers seem to be kicking in a bit more. Apart from the odd blunder we are getting better in the market I feel, so hope that LJ maybe has a gem or two still to amaze us with ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 Just now, Loon plage said: Fair do's mate Not one of my favourite football people, and I recall with fondness when Martin Samuel ripped him a new one when he started promoting the idea of ringfencing. Yes, a desperate move on his part precisely because he knew the financial danger he had created. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, chinapig said: Yes, a desperate move on his part precisely because he knew the financial danger he had created. Indeed. We got an honorable mention in that article which is why it sticks with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 So, Bolton game is on @ Wycombe, but Bury vs MK Dons is suspended.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 Bolton have just got to sign a team now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, BanburyRed said: So, Bolton game is on @ Wycombe, but Bury vs MK Dons is suspended.... Looks like it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49156362 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Bolton have just got to sign a team now. Vernon and Peter Kay up front.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, BanburyRed said: Vernon and Peter Kay up front.... "'ave it!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 Sara Cox & Hilary Devey, Amir Khan, Garry & David Flitcroft, Nicky Hunt (yes, that one...), Jason Kenny (Olympic cyclist), Paddy McGuinness, Carlo Nash in goal..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolmoose Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, BanburyRed said: Sara Cox & Hilary Devey, Amir Khan, Garry & David Flitcroft, Nicky Hunt (yes, that one...), Jason Kenny (Olympic cyclist), Paddy McGuinness, Carlo Nash in goal..... Presumably when they play the gas: “Let the Trotters... see the Squatters” 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 30, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 Sad news for Bury and their supporters. Sounds like we are about to lose the first club for many many years 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 Be interested to see how bolton get on considering they have 5 days to sign 5 players just to be able to field a team of 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Be interested to see how bolton get on considering they have 5 days to sign 5 players just to be able to field a team of 11 They could presumably field their senior Academy side just to keep going ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Loon plage said: They could presumably field their senior Academy side just to keep going ? I’m not sure they have that at the moment to be honest, the tram is in such a state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Monkeh said: I’m not sure they have that at the moment to be honest, the tram is in such a state I know it was only the Conference, but Weymouth had to do that for one league fixture about 10 years ago. Got hammered of course but kept the club going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Monkeh said: Be interested to see how bolton get on considering they have 5 days to sign 5 players just to be able to field a team of 11 They only need to field 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Unan said: They only need to field 7 Yea but 2 of those players are goalkeepers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Yea but 2 of those players are goalkeepers I think they could legally play one outfield? either way it's a mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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