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1 hour ago, Vil1 said:

That doesn't matter i made a mistake and am paying for it. That's life i have spoken to Julie on many occasions and shes pretty fair to be honest. But saying she has no input is not true 

Suppose it comes down to what sort of mistake someone makes.

Had 5 pints on a Tuesday night, with an early drive Wednesday and end up getting a drink driving conviction, or a mistake that results in someone getting hurt.

Not singling you out by the way! Just saying there are different levels of mistake, some are misjudged and some are just criminal.

 

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52 minutes ago, TedBrist0l77 said:

You apply to the court for them without you're application they aren't discussed .. you advise them to issue a FBO ...the conditions are requested before any court hearing .... The maps,details ect all arranged BEFORE any conviction 

The police uphold the law. They don't legislate. Blame your politician.

  

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6 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Suppose it comes down to what sort of mistake someone makes.

Had 5 pints on a Tuesday night, with an early drive Wednesday and end up getting a drink driving conviction, or a mistake that results in someone getting hurt.

Not singling you out by the way! Just saying there are different levels of mistake, some are misjudged and some are just criminal.

 

I feel like drink driving probably isn't the best example you could have chosen of a mistake which doesn't involve someone getting hurt!

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55 minutes ago, JulieH said:

You seem to know an awful lot about how you think the system works so I  see no point in continuing to tell how it actually works, 

Who applies for the banning order then? Presumably a judge decides on it, but the initial application is made by...?

I mean- Police force, CPS or perhaps someone else?

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5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Who applies for the banning order then? Presumably a judge decides on it, but the initial application is made by...?

I mean- Police force, CPS or perhaps someone else?

Blame your shit ass politicians then who set the rules. Not the ref police. Who put the case to the VAR court.

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38 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Suppose it comes down to what sort of mistake someone makes.

Had 5 pints on a Tuesday night, with an early drive Wednesday and end up getting a drink driving conviction, or a mistake that results in someone getting hurt.

Not singling you out by the way! Just saying there are different levels of mistake, some are misjudged and some are just criminal.

 

What a bizarre example.

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If there is a causation between your acting and the outcome of it and it's legislated as a criminal act by the politicians the police by law has to report any suspected breach of the law for the court to decide. 

If the police officer don't do that they are committing wrongful acting and can lose their job or be sent to prison. 

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21 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Who applies for the banning order then? Presumably a judge decides on it, but the initial application is made by...?

I mean- Police force, CPS or perhaps someone else?

It would ultimately be for magistrate / judge as appropriate to decide whether one gets granted at sentencing hearing once someone’s convicted. 

If someone pleads guilty at first opportunity for example then they might adjourn for pre-sentence reports to be completed on the individual if appropriate at which point the CPS may apply for / recommend a  banning order as part of the sentence (following consultation with officer dealing with case / football liaison officer I imagine). If a case is likely to be guilty plea at first hearing then a football banning order application may be part of the file sent to court already - may be wrong about that through. 

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31 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Blame your shit ass politicians then who set the rules. Not the ref police. Who put the case to the VAR court.

Hang on a minute.

Where is blame being apportioned, at least from my post? Can't comment on others, but I don't see your point here- yes I see your point in so far as politicians vote for, devise a law, police uphold and enforce it but baffled where you think I am apportioning blame.

Simply asking who makes the initial application. Seems to have been cleared up by King of Spain! 

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Hang on a minute.

Where is blame being apportioned, at least from my post? Can't comment on others, but I don't see your point here- yes I see your point in so far as politicians vote for, devise a law, police uphold and enforce it but baffled where you think I am apportioning blame.

Simply asking who makes the initial application.

When there is reason to suspect a breach of law the police have to investigate it and report it to a prosecutor. If they don't do that they can be sacked.

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2 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

When there is reason to suspect a breach of law the police have to investigate it and report it to a prosecutor. If they don't do that they can be sacked.

Yes this is true. Definitely the football banning order thing seems overdone though, both in absolute numbers and the range of offences- some and maybe more are a nonsense.

Still struggle to see where I was apportioning blame though!

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On topic briefly.

I'm sure people already know, it's been covered but still worth reiterating.

Unless you're absolutely guilty and you know it, FSF Faircop, Amanda Jacks is a good starting point.

Well I say FSF Faircop, Twitter handle is @FSA_Faircop now. I don't believe exactly but I think there's free initial legal advice. She's a caseworker and can refer to Football Specialist lawyers, law firms- with expertise in football specific legislation.

May list a few later if I can find them.

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9 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

You can't stand up watching football. You can't drink on your way to a game of football. Thank you very much to the brain dead "fans" forcing the law.

I.understand the arguments and yes there are historical reasons but the demographics of fans have changed in 20-30 years, quite a lot too.

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5 hours ago, Loon plage said:

Nor the Yanks nor the Indians so I think the hipsters should have spent their time picking up all that litter they left at Glasto personally.

I think you'll find the Eavis's pay £9.00 per hour to a team of people to deal with the litter

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I'm wondering if it would be more beneficial to have a separate forum on OTIB for police issues, one where people who want to can do their Q&A with what's her name, and be left in peace on the main forum. 

Personally, I think it would be great to have a fans forum that is for.... fans. 

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9 minutes ago, poland_exile said:

I'm wondering if it would be more beneficial to have a separate forum on OTIB for police issues, one where people who want to can do their Q&A with what's her name, and be left in peace on the main forum. 

Personally, I think it would be great to have a fans forum that is for.... fans. 

Top post. 

But I suspect that Julie H would be somewhat outnumbered.

If these pricks were that bad, they’d have been banned already. 

 

 

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7 hours ago, JulieH said:

You seem to know an awful lot about how you think the system works so I  see no point in continuing to tell how it actually works, 

i'm just merely pointing out that i have seen an application from yourself to the court for a FBO on conviction , this was sent before any court case had even started and included all the banning areas and times ect so to me that suggests that it is indeed the police football liaison officer that applies for the FBO not the court as was suggested by yourself.

You have a job to do i understand that, i just don't agree with the way things are done and even more so the way you suggest that it is little to do with you and more the court. 

The be all and end all is that if as a fan you avoid putting yourself in the situation then you wont face a ban but i do believe they are handed out way to easily and i still stand by the claim that the police benefit financially from banning orders and that you make an estimate of how many you think will be handed out/applied for by your team and budgets are based partly on that but im sure you will say im wrong ..no problem

its a forum for discussing football stuff and banning orders are football related especially with the way they are being handed out to city fans lately ... not to mention harsh sentencing but thats not on you at all that ones on Magistrate Matthews !

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12 hours ago, EmissionImpossible said:

Phrases like Snowflake and Loony Left, do not help because snowflake was a term originally used by sociopaths in an attempt to discredit the idea of empathy and whilst it may just mean a soft touch or  someone who claims everything is prejudiced to you, I don’t know, but that’s what it was originally used for.

Lukaku was the one who asked the fans to stop singing that song but granted he may not have made the original complaint.

Not a dig by the way.

of course not...…..

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