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JulieH

Policing at Football

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1 hour ago, Loon plage said:

Reckon its her job to mate.

I bet Julie is checking her job description to double check that Loon. :shocking:

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33 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Thanks. So as far as you are aware, as it stands at this time, there won't be facial recognition cameras at AG? Neither there but switched off or plans to install.

Nice one to work that, Juventus-Real Madrid CL Final!

Sounds about right.

Yeah- the high proportion misidentified though seems concerning.

I can say that Avon and Somerset police have no plans to install them at the stadium. 

working the final was great, really busy with lots of Italians wanting selfies with British police officers. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Does any other club in the country have a police officer online answering questions on here spare time?

Good point - and fair play I say to @JulieH for doing it. The less "them and us" there is the better if you ask me. 

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2 hours ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

Whats the point........? The Police on here can 'do no wrong' in peoples eyes.......

Also when she is proven wrong..... she goes hiding until it is forgotten about......

Quite so. Thing is TM this is a football forum and the vast majority of negative comments about OB relate to their shite, cyncical cowardly conduct at football matches. Even when bang to rights and embarrassed by someone making an official complaint (visiting Millwall fan being blungeoned over the head for no reason) it is swiftly brushed under the carpet.

Their other areas of under performance probably lie in the political forums although happy to  widen things if that helps demonstrate how poor they are, and where their priorities within crime detection and prevention now lies..

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18 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Quite so. Thing is TM this is a football forum and the vast majority of negative comments about OB relate to their shite, cyncical cowardly conduct at football matches. Even when bang to rights and embarrassed by someone making an official complaint (visiting Millwall fan being blungeoned over the head for no reason) it is swiftly brushed under the carpet.

Their other areas of under performance probably lie in the political forums although happy to  widen things if that helps demonstrate how poor they are, and where their priorities within crime detection and prevention now lies..

No one is perfect. Not even the police. 99 per cent are good people.

If  you look like a hooligan you will preliminary be classed as one but if you behave there is not a big iissue.

I'm friendly treated as a hooligan because I look like one. What's the problem?  

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22 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Does any other club in the country have a police officer online answering questions on here spare time?

I reckon it's pretty uncommon. Maybe we're the only one?

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31 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Good point - and fair play I say to @JulieH for doing it. The less "them and us" there is the better if you ask me. 

Yes, quite a few ! I am on duty , on way to city centre again 

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3 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

Julie does have a say on banning orders and advises the magistrates iv been there in court and seen it for myself. 

I advise only on the conditions of them should they need to be changed for employment/ residence. I do not issue them or tell the magistrate to do so. It is their decision 

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3 hours ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

You think she does a good job....... I disagree.....

I think she does a poor job... you disagree....

Conversation finished......

An embarrassing reply TM - the second one on this thread.

Steve is asking you enter into a debate on the policing of football fans but you simply become defensive and can’t/won’t explain what your reasoning is.............:dunno:

Im sure most of us would understand if you’ve had personal run ins with the OB.

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

An embarrassing reply TM - the second one on this thread.

Steve is asking you enter into a debate on the policing of football fans but you simply become defensive and can’t/won’t explain what your reasoning is.............:dunno:

Im sure most of us would understand if you’ve had personal run ins with the OB.

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46 minutes ago, JulieH said:

I advise only on the conditions of them should they need to be changed for employment/ residence. I do not issue them or tell the magistrate to do so. It is their decision 

You do julie! You advise them to give people banning orders sometimes people make stupid mistakes under the influence alot of the time! And will then openly admit their mistake. And you then get them banned instantly!

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2 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

You do julie! You advise them to give people banning orders sometimes people make stupid mistakes under the influence alot of the time! And will then openly admit their mistake. And you then get them banned instantly!

Why didn’t  you read what JulieH posted earlier on this thread?  

If you had you wouldn’t have made such an embarrassing comment.

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5 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

You do julie! You advise them to give people banning orders sometimes people make stupid mistakes under the influence alot of the time! And will then openly admit their mistake. And you then get them banned instantly!

Making a mistake under the influence isn’t a good excuse.

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

Why didn’t  you read what JulieH posted earlier on this thread?  

If you had you wouldn’t have made such an embarrassing comment.

Why dont you read my comment properly julie has alot of say so on whats given out. I know cos i am currently serving a ban. 

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1 minute ago, EmissionImpossible said:

Making a mistake under the influence isn’t a good excuse.

Ok we know that but it happens. What do you drink at the football when socialising. Green tea

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2 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

Why dont you read my comment properly julie has alot of say so on whats given out. I know cos i am currently serving a ban. 

Your wasting your time bud..... 

Because you have a different opinion from the sleep walking sheep you are wrong..... 

Julie The Snake H is always correct and everything she says is the gospel truth..... honest... the sheep tell us all the time... 

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Just now, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

Your wasting your time bud..... 

Because you have a different opinion from the sleep walking sheep you are wrong..... 

Julie The Snake H is always correct and everything she says is the gospel truth..... honest... the sheep tell us all the time... 

Let here answer the question then

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1 minute ago, EmissionImpossible said:

What did you do?

That doesn't matter i made a mistake and am paying for it. That's life i have spoken to Julie on many occasions and shes pretty fair to be honest. But saying she has no input is not true 

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8 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Glad you got back Vil1 and had a say. What is right and what is wrong I don't know but we can openly give our opinions.

Thanks. 

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Police is not always correct. I have had traffic issues with the police and they sometimes come to their own conclusions me tryiing to provoke them having not seen being followed by a policce car as it was raiining cats and dogs trying to get rid of them over two traffic lights on yellow and then boiling inside having been asked if I have had issues with the police before. But agian. You need to understand the pressure they are under.     

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2 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

That doesn't matter i made a mistake and am paying for it. That's life i have spoken to Julie on many occasions and shes pretty fair to be honest. But saying she has no input is not true 

Okay well that sounds a more reasonable response/point. I think sometimes on here, the points against the police generally don’t get made very well and can appear to be sour grapes or hugely biased. Things always work both ways though.

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Agree to disagree. I would just ask that someone who makes a daft decision is given the benefit of the doubt. Punished but not banned. If you banned everyone who say for instance swore. Made a few stupid gestures then the grounds would be more than half empty. Just because you call an opposing fan a name it does call for a ban. Come on if the banter goes out of football it would be a sad day. 

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4 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

Agree to disagree. I would just ask that someone who makes a daft decision is given the benefit of the doubt. Punished but not banned. If you banned everyone who say for instance swore. Made a few stupid gestures then the grounds would be more than half empty. Just because you call an opposing fan a name it does call for a ban. Come on if the banter goes out of football it would be a sad day. 

Whatever happened - what is important to me is that I can tell you are a great guy and that you will come very good.

Sometimes the unfair guides you in the right direction.

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5 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

Agree to disagree. I would just ask that someone who makes a daft decision is given the benefit of the doubt. Punished but not banned. If you banned everyone who say for instance swore. Made a few stupid gestures then the grounds would be more than half empty. Just because you call an opposing fan a name it does call for a ban. Come on if the banter goes out of football it would be a sad day. 

Sooner or later with all the PC (politically correct) nonsense that this country/World has to put up with, I won't be surprised when fans are getting banned for a single complaint by some "snowflake" for swearing, or be told what songs can be sung or not before they enter stadiums. All the nonsense with people complaining about the Lukaku song - and many of those complaints were from people who don't even go to football!!! Banter at football will soon be classed as some sort of "hate crime" I expect the way this crazy World is going, as you are only allowed to protest or speak out against anything the loony left don't like.

 

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2 minutes ago, wood_red said:

Sooner or later with all the PC (politically correct) nonsense that this country/World has to put up with, I won't be surprised when fans are getting banned for a single complaint by some "snowflake" for swearing, or be told what songs can be sung or not before they enter stadiums. All the nonsense with people complaining about the Lukaku song - and many of those complaints were from people who don't even go to football!!! Banter at football will soon be classed as some sort of "hate crime" I expect the way this crazy World is going, as you are only allowed to protest or speak out against anything the loony left don't like.

 

Whatever our problem is it is not fellow football fans dressed in different colours. Or the police.  

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10 minutes ago, wood_red said:

Sooner or later with all the PC (politically correct) nonsense that this country/World has to put up with, I won't be surprised when fans are getting banned for a single complaint by some "snowflake" for swearing, or be told what songs can be sung or not before they enter stadiums. All the nonsense with people complaining about the Lukaku song - and many of those complaints were from people who don't even go to football!!! Banter at football will soon be classed as some sort of "hate crime" I expect the way this crazy World is going, as you are only allowed to protest or speak out against anything the loony left don't like.

 

I share you frustration. Well put.

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9 minutes ago, wood_red said:

Sooner or later with all the PC (politically correct) nonsense that this country/World has to put up with, I won't be surprised when fans are getting banned for a single complaint by some "snowflake" for swearing, or be told what songs can be sung or not before they enter stadiums. All the nonsense with people complaining about the Lukaku song - and many of those complaints were from people who don't even go to football!!! Banter at football will soon be classed as some sort of "hate crime" I expect the way this crazy World is going, as you are only allowed to protest or speak out against anything the loony left don't like.

 

Phrases like Snowflake and Loony Left, do not help because snowflake was a term originally used by sociopaths in an attempt to discredit the idea of empathy and whilst it may just mean a soft touch or  someone who claims everything is prejudiced to you, I don’t know, but that’s what it was originally used for.

Lukaku was the one who asked the fans to stop singing that song but granted he may not have made the original complaint.

Not a dig by the way.

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10 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said:

Phrases like Snowflake and Loony Left, do not help because snowflake was a term originally used by sociopaths in an attempt to discredit the idea of empathy and whilst it may just mean a soft touch or  someone who claims everything is prejudiced to you, I don’t know, but that’s what it was originally used for.

Lukaku was the one who asked the fans to stop singing that song but granted he may not have made the original complaint.

Not a dig by the way.

Phrases like loony left and snowflake may not help, but neither do phrases calling people Nazis just because they disagree with with a different view.

We are in a World where it seems ok to say whatever you want with no comeback whatsoever about anyone who isn't on the far left. Trump (most will agree he is ridiculous the majority of the time) gets plenty of abuse and it just seems to be "funny", If you said anything remotely close to that about Obama you would be in court (madonna saying about bombing the White House). Danny Baker sacked - yet Jo Brand keeps her job?

The protests in town are ridiculous, if you feel the need to protest then good on you and go and do it in the right place/time. But there is no need to shut down town centres and disrupt & ruin other peoples days in the process. Still I will say well done on them all getting all the time off from their employers... 

Maybe I am too old school, but I do not see why people cannot have different views about many things and the Politically Correctness has gone way too far and I fully expect football to toe the line in years to come.

 

Back to the Policing at Football - why is the Rugby fan taking so long to charge and/or prosecute?

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2 hours ago, JulieH said:

I advise only on the conditions of them should they need to be changed for employment/ residence. I do not issue them or tell the magistrate to do so. It is their decision 

You apply to the court for them without you're application they aren't discussed .. you advise them to issue a FBO ...the conditions are requested before any court hearing .... The maps,details ect all arranged BEFORE any conviction 

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Agreed what is taking so long with the rugby fan hes been identified. Is he going to get a 6am knock on the door i doubt it very much. Diffrent story if it was a footi fan. Iv seen trouble at horse racing. Cricket. Rugby league but its only the football fan who gets the headlines 

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23 minutes ago, TedBrist0l77 said:

You apply to the court for them without you're application they aren't discussed .. you advise them to issue a FBO ...the conditions are requested before any court hearing .... The maps,details ect all arranged BEFORE any conviction 

You seem to know an awful lot about how you think the system works so I  see no point in continuing to tell how it actually works, 

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1 hour ago, Vil1 said:

That doesn't matter i made a mistake and am paying for it. That's life i have spoken to Julie on many occasions and shes pretty fair to be honest. But saying she has no input is not true 

Suppose it comes down to what sort of mistake someone makes.

Had 5 pints on a Tuesday night, with an early drive Wednesday and end up getting a drink driving conviction, or a mistake that results in someone getting hurt.

Not singling you out by the way! Just saying there are different levels of mistake, some are misjudged and some are just criminal.

 

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52 minutes ago, TedBrist0l77 said:

You apply to the court for them without you're application they aren't discussed .. you advise them to issue a FBO ...the conditions are requested before any court hearing .... The maps,details ect all arranged BEFORE any conviction 

The police uphold the law. They don't legislate. Blame your politician.

  

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6 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Suppose it comes down to what sort of mistake someone makes.

Had 5 pints on a Tuesday night, with an early drive Wednesday and end up getting a drink driving conviction, or a mistake that results in someone getting hurt.

Not singling you out by the way! Just saying there are different levels of mistake, some are misjudged and some are just criminal.

 

I feel like drink driving probably isn't the best example you could have chosen of a mistake which doesn't involve someone getting hurt!

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10 hours ago, Gary Nanes said:

I don't need to justify his comments, he can post about what he likes, when he likes.

Oh and 'get off your high horse you boot licking police apologist...'

Stop being a nob

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55 minutes ago, JulieH said:

You seem to know an awful lot about how you think the system works so I  see no point in continuing to tell how it actually works, 

Who applies for the banning order then? Presumably a judge decides on it, but the initial application is made by...?

I mean- Police force, CPS or perhaps someone else?

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5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Who applies for the banning order then? Presumably a judge decides on it, but the initial application is made by...?

I mean- Police force, CPS or perhaps someone else?

Blame your shit ass politicians then who set the rules. Not the ref police. Who put the case to the VAR court.

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38 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Suppose it comes down to what sort of mistake someone makes.

Had 5 pints on a Tuesday night, with an early drive Wednesday and end up getting a drink driving conviction, or a mistake that results in someone getting hurt.

Not singling you out by the way! Just saying there are different levels of mistake, some are misjudged and some are just criminal.

 

What a bizarre example.

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If there is a causation between your acting and the outcome of it and it's legislated as a criminal act by the politicians the police by law has to report any suspected breach of the law for the court to decide. 

If the police officer don't do that they are committing wrongful acting and can lose their job or be sent to prison. 

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21 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Who applies for the banning order then? Presumably a judge decides on it, but the initial application is made by...?

I mean- Police force, CPS or perhaps someone else?

It would ultimately be for magistrate / judge as appropriate to decide whether one gets granted at sentencing hearing once someone’s convicted. 

If someone pleads guilty at first opportunity for example then they might adjourn for pre-sentence reports to be completed on the individual if appropriate at which point the CPS may apply for / recommend a  banning order as part of the sentence (following consultation with officer dealing with case / football liaison officer I imagine). If a case is likely to be guilty plea at first hearing then a football banning order application may be part of the file sent to court already - may be wrong about that through. 

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