Mr Popodopolous Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 https://www.stevenagefc.com/news/2019/july/stevenage-fc-club-statement-fa-misconduct-charge-efl-thursday-11th-july-2019/ Basically, Stevenage fined for the conduct of a minority of fans- chanting at a female linesman/official. While the fine itself was pretty small at £5,000 it does make for an interesting case study- to what extent are a club responsible for the conduct of its fans/a minority of its fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 Lucky for those involved, they didn't do it on a pre-season tour of the Cayman Islands. Here we have a specific paragraph in the Penal Code covering such acts: 133. A person who, with intent to insult the modesty of any woman, utters any word, makes any sound or gesture or exhibits any object intending that such word or sound shall be heard, or that such gesture or object shall be seen by such woman, or intrudes upon the privacy of such woman, commits an offence and is liable to imprisonment for three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: https://www.stevenagefc.com/news/2019/july/stevenage-fc-club-statement-fa-misconduct-charge-efl-thursday-11th-july-2019/ Basically, Stevenage fined for the conduct of a minority of fans- chanting at a female linesman/official. While the fine itself was pretty small at £5,000 it does make for an interesting case study- to what extent are a club responsible for the conduct of its fans/a minority of its fans? Is this any different to clubs being punished for their fans using racist chants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, richwwtk said: Is this any different to clubs being punished for their fans using racist chants? Well does that happen all that often and even here? Millwall were charged in February or March with it for the game v Everton and so far, since then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Well does that happen all that often and even here? Millwall were charged in February or March with it for the game v Everton and so far, since then... You occasionally see UEFA charging some of the East European clubs with it and fining them about £2.50 before they then charge someone with wearing the wrong brand of socks and fine them millions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, richwwtk said: You occasionally see UEFA charging some of the East European clubs with it and fining them about £2.50 before they then charge someone with wearing the wrong brand of socks and fine them millions! Fake News. CSKA had a game behind closed doors owing to it in 2013. UEFA don't do enough but it's possible they do more than our own FA, proportionately. If you look through, you'll see behind closed doors for racist fans with UEFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Fake News. CSKA had a game behind closed doors owing to it in 2013. UEFA don't do enough but it's possible they do more than our own FA, proportionately. If you look through, you'll see behind closed doors for racist fans with UEFA. Fair enough, I may have exaggerated a little, but it does seem to me that UEFA and FIFA come down on people who transgress their marketing policies much more heavily than racism and/or corruption issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, richwwtk said: Fair enough, I may have exaggerated a little, but it does seem to me that UEFA and FIFA come down on people who transgress their marketing policies much more heavily than racism and/or corruption issues. Fifa don’t do anything like enough to deal with racism in football regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, richwwtk said: Fair enough, I may have exaggerated a little, but it does seem to me that UEFA and FIFA come down on people who transgress their marketing policies much more heavily than racism and/or corruption issues. Last time we had a game behind closed doors in this country for racist abuse was...? Agreed, the punishments taken as a whole by those 2 are not strong enough and certainly not compared to those for marketing etc. Ask again, punishment for Millwall (a minority, granted) has been...? Charged in February and many months later? Anyway my main point is to what extent are or should clubs be responsible for the behaviour of their fans? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/26/stadium-bans-fines-banners-uefa-has-dealt-racism-last-decade/ From this article- and incidentally it misses the CSKA Stadium ban for 2013 racism v Man City and some of the items seem to be a bit out of order, timewise: April 2013- Dynamo Kiev- Stadium ban. August 2014- Steaua Bucharest- Partial Stadium Ban. August 2014- FC Debrecen- Partial Stadium Ban. Maribor- Partial Stadium ban. FC Chikhura Sachkhere- Partial Stadium ban. December 2014- Croatia- Partial Stadium ban. March 2015- Croatia- Stadium ban. July 2015- Croatia- Two game Stadium ban. September 2015- Romania- Stadium ban. October 2017- Spartak Moscow- Partial Stadium ban. December 2017- Zenit St Petersburg- Partial Stadium ban. June 2018- Atletico Madrid- Partial Stadium ban. August 2018- Lyon- Two game Stadium ban. August 2018- Red Star Belgrade- Two game Stadium ban. October 2018- Poland- Partial Stadium ban. October 2018- Romania- Stadium ban. November 2018- Greece- Partial Stadium ban. Add in the CSKA v Man City in I assume October 2013- the game behind closed doors a year later. In fact CSKA had 3 behind closed doors that season, 2014/15. @richwwtk not enough yes but an element of fake news too. The fines are generally pointless- on that I'm sure we can all agree! I wonder how much of the "UEFA do nothing" is driven by English media. Was in fact surprised myself at the number of partial or full stadium bans. Admittedly too many are just fined and warned as well. @The Gasbuster may want to look at this too- bit more than often portrayed it seems, partial and stadium bans for racism by UEFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 17, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 This caught my eye at the bottom of the report It's almost like he's saying "SSHHHH" "Don't tell anyone the season tickets are on sale" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 Also I felt belatedly that I should go back to edit the fake news thing to a more palatable way to disagree but of course the edit facility expired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 Somewhat off-topic, but Stevenage have suddenly come up on my radar because their new publisher (Curve Digital) have just published my latest video game, American Fugitive. Check it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Again slightly off topic, but another precedent potentially being set. Wonder what will happen here? Derby County have said they are refusing to allow fans to take in their own refreshments next season. It’s not gone down very well as you can imagine! https://www.dcfc.co.uk/amp/news/2019/07/updated-bag-policy-and-outside-refreshment-policies?__twitter_impression=true Can see other clubs following suit if this isn’t shot down quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 On 17/07/2019 at 12:56, ZiderEyed said: Fifa don’t do anything like enough to deal with racism in football regardless. Don't do enough? They gave the World Cup to Russia didn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Carey 6 said: Again slightly off topic, but another precedent potentially being set. Wonder what will happen here? Derby County have said they are refusing to allow fans to take in their own refreshments next season. It’s not gone down very well as you can imagine! https://www.dcfc.co.uk/amp/news/2019/07/updated-bag-policy-and-outside-refreshment-policies?__twitter_impression=true Can see other clubs following suit if this isn’t shot down quickly. They have an £81m stadium to pay for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 They`ll have to prise my half time Clarks pie from my cold, dead hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 On topic, Montenegro behind closed doors game for the England one. Bulgaria partial stadium closure for 2 games. @The Gasbuster - Yep that UEFA do nothing but fine a few grand eh. Unlike our own FA! Why Millwall racist chanting (small minority granted) v Everton and they did- they did- er, er, er- what was the question again. On this thing, potential issue/beginning of problems etc at Derby, can't say I'm surprised- I mean it's obviously a nonsense but does the cinema allow non medical related outside refreshments? Other clubs will certainly be looking at this with interest IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: On topic, Montenegro behind closed doors game for the England one. Bulgaria partial stadium closure for 2 games. @The Gasbuster - Yep that UEFA do nothing but fine a few grand eh. Unlike our own FA! Why Millwall racist chanting (small minority granted) v Everton and they did- they did- er, er, er- what was the question again. On this thing, potential issue/beginning of problems etc at Derby, can't say I'm surprised- I mean it's obviously a nonsense but does the cinema allow non medical related outside refreshments? Other clubs will certainly be looking at this with interest IMO. Most cinemas actually do, it's a bit of a myth that they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Coxy27 said: Most cinemas actually do, it's a bit of a myth that they don't. While since I've been tbh. Think I recall a mate- not me of course but a mate and this was without me there as I did not participate - telling me about how he snuck a variety of refreshments in routinely, Showcase Cinema De Lux at Cabot Circus IIRC. Anyway they seemed under the impression about outside refreshments at the cinema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 18 hours ago, Carey 6 said: Again slightly off topic, but another precedent potentially being set. Wonder what will happen here? Derby County have said they are refusing to allow fans to take in their own refreshments next season. It’s not gone down very well as you can imagine! https://www.dcfc.co.uk/amp/news/2019/07/updated-bag-policy-and-outside-refreshment-policies?__twitter_impression=true Can see other clubs following suit if this isn’t shot down quickly. I'm disgusted by this. I've been taking a flask and some half time snacks to the gate for over 50 years. If City pulled this stunt, I would not renew my season card on principle and I know a few others that would take the same view. Maybe I could carry stuff inside my coat unless they decide to body search everyone. I think Derby have made a big mistake here and could end up paying a high price for it or before forced into an embarrassing climbdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Derby have clarified their stance- flasks, sweets for kids etc won't be banned apparently- no doubt forced into a partial climbdown by reaction. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rams-react-controversy-over-matchday-3130367 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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