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Who do we usually beat and who are our 'bogey' teams?

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Our previous record against other teams means nothing the next time we play them, or does it? We all speak about having a good record against some teams but all have in our minds those that always do well against us – our so called ‘bogey’ teams. Well, here are the facts to make of as you will.

I have listed below our average points haul in all the league matches we have ever played against every Championship side for the coming season, (whatever Divisions the side were in at the time) using 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw throughout. They are shown in rank order, so our best home record is against Barnsley where we have averaged 2.39 points a game out of 3 (we have beaten them 34 times out of 46 at Ashton Gate). Our worst by far is against Leeds where we have averaged less than a point a game at home and won only 3 times in 9 matches (so on this basis we will do very well to get a point on the opening day!)

The historical stats show that the place we are most likely to win away is Wigan Athletic where we have averaged 1.46 points a game (5 away wins in 13 visits) whereas we have a terrible record at Derby County with an average of just 0.59 points a game (a woeful 5 away wins in 32 matches!).

It’s easy to dismiss these stats but interesting to reflect on how closely the facts match our own impressions of the teams we always do well against and/or who always seem to turn us over! What do you reckon?

Rob c

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Can't wait until we finally beat Preston, I'd even celebrate a draw like a win against that lot. I like their fans but from the ones I've met they've become increasingly cocky towards us (who can blame them)

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I always think of Ipswich as a bit of a bogey side particularly away. Losing them balances up with losing Sheff Utd who must be glad to see the back of us.

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Cardiff away must've been really good some years ago then, because I've been there about 5/6 times (only once at Ninian) and still not seen us win. 

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1 hour ago, Bryans Left Peg said:

Surprised Preston are so high on the home column.

Prior to around about 15 years ago, P.N.E. at home usually meant 3 points.

(80's and 90's when we played regularly at tier 3 level)

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4 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

Cardiff away must've been really good some years ago then, because I've been there about 5/6 times (only once at Ninian) and still not seen us win. 

Oh yes it was.

We had a fantastic record there.

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52 minutes ago, Sturny said:

Can't wait until we finally beat Preston, I'd even celebrate a draw like a win against that lot. I like their fans but from the ones I've met they've become increasingly cocky towards us (who can blame them)

We drew our last game against them..! 

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Never forgot the phase over a few seasons we lost a few games at home to Chesterfield. Roy McFarland came out and said that the Ashton Gate pitch suited us (as in Chesterfield). That boiled my piss. Fortunately, we won the game 3-1 if I recall.

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1 hour ago, Carey 6 said:

Cardiff away must've been really good some years ago then, because I've been there about 5/6 times (only once at Ninian) and still not seen us win. 

We had a fantastic record home and away against them  in the 70s and 80s, got to the point where you expected us to beat them, think we hardly lost against them in the league for 20  odd years. In fact from 1971 until 1990 we never lost a match against them home or away, league or cup. In fact even up till 2003 they had only beat us once since August 1971.

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4 hours ago, Sturny said:

Can't wait until we finally beat Preston, I'd even celebrate a draw like a win against that lot. I like their fans but from the ones I've met they've become increasingly cocky towards us (who can blame them)

My first City game was February 1969 and we beat PNE 2-1. See it can happen.

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I think since being in the Championship we've pretty much picked all our bogeys, excuse the turn of phrase

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We always seem to beat Crystal Palace. One of my favourite memories of watching City was us tearing them apart in the cup run, where it was becoming increasingly apparent after Taylor’s goal that we could absolutely rip them apart 

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7 hours ago, cider-manc said:

Wolves. We have only beaten them 5 times since 1990 -  All of which were at home. And we haven't won at their place since the 1930s!

 

Apologies for my sardonic post as I've just seen your earlier post. Let's see if we can get to 2031 before we beat them at Molineux!

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Walsall and mansfield in the 80s.

That hitchcock always played a blinder against us.

In the late 80s and early 90s i only recall us losing once at cardiff in the leauge cup 1 0.

Then beating them 5 1 in the 2nd leg.

That was the last time i saw no mans land invaded.

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15 hours ago, pillred said:

We had a fantastic record home and away against them  in the 70s and 80s, got to the point where you expected us to beat them, think we hardly lost against them in the league for 20  odd years. In fact from 1971 until 1990 we never lost a match against them home or away, league or cup. In fact even up till 2003 they had only beat us once since August 1971.

Cardiff fan here. You're right, in the 70's, 80's & 90's you had a great record against us. I started going to away games in the mid-70's, I must have visited Ashton Gate about 4 times in all and never saw us get anything. One of those games was the League Cup in 1992 - you had the likes of Cole, Allison and Rosenior playing for you. Your movement and pace that evening was streets ahead of us, we duly lost 5-1.. Andy Cole getting a hatrick!

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17 hours ago, hodge said:

Shame we've lost Sheffield Utd

I thought they were coming for us ?😁

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Steve bull , David kelly always scored against us 

and the Pompey keeper always had a blinder  

 

 

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I’ve been to notts county 5 times and never seen a win including being 2-1 up going into injury time to lose 3-2.Although unlikely to play them again for a while hopefully.

Basically we,ve had loads of bogey sides especially the 1980-82 period!

Brentford,Bournemouth and Swindon always bought out the worst in us and for 5 yrs that dodgy lot in south glos.

At the moment it’s Preston and dirty Leeds.

Hopefully 4/8 will be the day

coyr

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On 19/07/2019 at 18:29, Victory Park Reds said:

I’ve been to notts county 5 times and never seen a win including being 2-1 up going into injury time to lose 3-2.Although unlikely to play them again for a while hopefully.

Basically we,ve had loads of bogey sides especially the 1980-82 period!

Brentford,Bournemouth and Swindon always bought out the worst in us and for 5 yrs that dodgy lot in south glos.

At the moment it’s Preston and dirty Leeds.

Hopefully 4/8 will be the day

coyr

Seen us win on our last visit there. JET pen in the 90th min

 

Reading at home seems to be a game where we just play horrendous. Wouldn’t say bogey team as it’s not like they play well. We just don’t turn up. Derby away. Can’t remember our last win at pride park

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QPR away until last season was a waste of time. Forest until recent years was worse. We always did well against Leeds but now that’s the other way. 

 

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1 hour ago, OldlandReddies said:

Leeds at home, Preston at home, Fulham at home...... All big bogies. Beat those at home this season and we win the league.

Not sure on that we have also struggled against sides at the other end of the table in recent years. 

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On 17/07/2019 at 20:27, Red Right Hand said:

We never beat Leeds 

We did win 1-0 at home to them in 2016 but it hasn't happened too often recently

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Simple rule of thumb.

Our bogey teams will always be those well below us in the table when we need to beat them and are expected to, but, especially at home, will usual make a complete horlicks of it.

Teams we invariably beat are those at the top end of the table and often on a good run of form, when we are coming on the back of poor results and given little chance.

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On 18/07/2019 at 06:46, Oh Louie louie said:

Walsall and mansfield in the 80s.

I remember us beating Walsall around 5 times in the 80s and getting 4 or 5 draws against them - and we also beat Mansfield in three consecutive games during that decade whilst winning and drawing a few more, I wouldn’t call them bogey sides based on that 

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On 20/07/2019 at 19:54, OldlandReddies said:

Leeds at home, Preston at home, Fulham at home...... All big bogies. Beat those at home this season and we win the league.

In truth our home form hasn’t been up to much against anybody for a few seasons now. 

 

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Was it early 80s we beat mansfield 3 times on the trot?

I never saw us beat them at home in the mid to late 80s.

There was certainly a phase we couldnt beat either.

Andy L has done a piece on walsall being a bogey team in the 80s for us in the book about us going to wembley.

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