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Mark Ashton - Proven 9 is vital before transfer window shuts

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When asked, are City going to sign a proven goal scorer?

"We are trying. They are like gold dust. We have got a couple of irons in the fire and we are down the line on a couple of players but until it is done anything can happen."

 

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10 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

I doubt he`d say that if something wasn`t already done.

Yeah I was going to say this. If he says it's "vital" then something will happen, or he looks an utter fool. And even the people who can't stand him don't think he's that.

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26 minutes ago, Prinny said:

Yeah I was going to say this. If he says it's "vital" then something will happen, or he looks an utter fool. And even the people who can't stand him don't think he's that.

Yeah, I agree. He’s a lot of things but he’s not stupid.

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I’m not wholly clear whether he is saying that the striker he hopes to get in by Sunday is the same as the proven no9 we must have by the deadline.

Anyone else reading it the same as me?

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6 minutes ago, mightyreds89 said:

Some reports on twitter that we are in for Jordan Rhodes. 

 

If true, i’m gonna have to eat 3 years worth posts on here!!

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5 minutes ago, mightyreds89 said:

Some reports on twitter that we are in for Jordan Rhodes. 

 

Im Going to get shot down for this as i know he hasnt done much since leaving blackburn , but i believe the blokes decent and given a run of games and some confidance could be a top quality striker once again ...think hes a pure confidence player and needs feel loved.

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1 minute ago, bengalcub said:

Im Going to get shot down for this as i know he hasnt done much since leaving blackburn , but i believe the blokes decent and given a run of games and some confidance could be a top quality striker once again ...think hes a pure confidence player and needs feel loved.

From what the head of recruitment at Norwich (Stuart Webber) said, Rhodes was as important off the pitch as on it last season.

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10 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

I wonder if Famara is happy to hear the CEO remark that “It is vital we have a proven 9 in before the transfer window closes”?

Probably not great, but no worse than he will when they arrive.

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30 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

From what the head of recruitment at Norwich (Stuart Webber) said, Rhodes was as important off the pitch as on it last season.

Course he was, -someone had to make the tea and do the washing up.

 

(joking of course) 😉

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7 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

I wonder if Famara is happy to hear the CEO remark that “It is vital we have a proven 9 in before the transfer window closes”?

Probably not. But he too knows we need more up front. It's up to him to raise his game again. 

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8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

From what the head of recruitment at Norwich (Stuart Webber) said, Rhodes was as important off the pitch as on it last season.

Read that article you posted @Davefevs he was glowing in his praise.

The only reason he is not coming back is £ if I recall correctly 

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10 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

You have to think that we’re almost over the line with one for Ashton to be saying that. Fingers crossed. 

I think the first one will be Keifer Moore.

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46 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

I think the first one will be Keifer Moore.

If it's within the next 24 hours it will be Keifer Sutherland. 

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9 hours ago, bengalcub said:

Im Going to get shot down for this as i know he hasnt done much since leaving blackburn , but i believe the blokes decent and given a run of games and some confidance could be a top quality striker once again ...think hes a pure confidence player and needs feel loved.

He’s a striker and he needs to score goals. If he’s lost his mojo then we don’t want him at City. 

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1 hour ago, ScottishRed said:

Read that article you posted @Davefevs he was glowing in his praise.

The only reason he is not coming back is £ if I recall correctly 

Must have been great in the dressing room?

His scoring record in recent years doesn't fill me with huge confidence tbh. He's also 29 so can surely only regress a bit from here? Not a certainty but more often than not with strikers IMO.

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1 hour ago, Lew-T said:

I think the first one will be Keifer Moore.

If it is then Mr Ashton and I have very different ideas of what a ‘proven 9’ means!

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20 minutes ago, downendcity said:

If it's within the next 24 hours it will be Keifer Sutherland. 

He was in Bristol last week too...

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I'd love to get Kodjia back. 

I wonder if they'd quote us silly money after what we wanted for Webster though. 

 

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I honestly don't think there is a great deal of realistic targets available.

Will be interesting to see who we have lined up and the money we are considering to throw at a player. If it wasn't for his age i'd love us to be in for Billy Sharp . 

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For me a "proven" striker is someone who has proved themselves consistently at this or the level above. 

Now, MA is an intelligent man and picks his words wisely.  For him to actively say proven, I would like to think that they are looking at someone pretty decent ie Vydra, Rhodes, Sharpe (as an example) etc. 

Also, the word proven would rule out NE as he is anything but proven at any level.  He has potential, but he isn't a proven striker.  

This is making my head hurt!!   

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9 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

For me a "proven" striker is someone who has proved themselves consistently at this or the level above. 

Now, MA is an intelligent man and picks his words wisely.  For him to actively say proven, I would like to think that they are looking at someone pretty decent ie Vydra, Rhodes, Sharpe (as an example) etc. 

Also, the word proven would rule out NE as he is anything but proven at any level.  He has potential, but he isn't a proven striker.  

This is making my head hurt!!   

I’m not so sure 

I have a feeling that he’s regretting using the word ‘Proven’

Put themselves under pressure 

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11 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

For me a "proven" striker is someone who has proved themselves consistently at this or the level above. 

Now, MA is an intelligent man and picks his words wisely.  For him to actively say proven, I would like to think that they are looking at someone pretty decent ie Vydra, Rhodes, Sharpe (as an example) etc. 

Also, the word proven would rule out NE as he is anything but proven at any level.  He has potential, but he isn't a proven striker.  

This is making my head hurt!!   

Tammy Abraham was equally unproven at this level, but the club's judgement/assessment of his ability was well founded.

If LJ and the club's scouts have made a similar assessment of NE and judge him to be capable then that would be fine by me, and his involvement with Arsenal's first team seems to indicate he is highly thought of by Arsenal. If anything, it seems as if his standing at Arsenal has risen during the summer and this could see him stay there.

 

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11 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Also, the word proven would rule out NE as he is anything but proven at any level. 

 

11 minutes ago, downendcity said:

If LJ and the club's scouts have made a similar assessment of NE and judge him to be capable then that would be fine by me, and his involvement with Arsenal's first team seems to indicate he is highly thought of by Arsenal.

 

It's going to become even more confusing on OTIB if we start to quote surnames before given names when posting players initials! Or are you both referring to Nic Eliasson? ;)

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4 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

 

 

It's going to become even more confusing on OTIB if we start to quote surnames before given names when posting players initials! Or are you both referring to Nic Eliasson? ;)

Sorry, my bad. 

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18 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I’m not so sure 

I have a feeling that he’s regretting using the word ‘Proven’

Put themselves under pressure 

I understand what you mean, but MA is smarter than letting something slip accidentally surely? He would have chosen his words carefully or else he leaves himself wide open to the wrath of fury from fans if he now doesn’t deliver. Fans will have a stick to beat him with at every opportunity if this player doesn’t materialise, and they will. And he knows so.

No way would he throw himself under the bus like this.

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26 minutes ago, GBray said:

I honestly don't think there is a great deal of realistic targets available.

Will be interesting to see who we have lined up and the money we are considering to throw at a player. If it wasn't for his age i'd love us to be in for Billy Sharp . 

Is it possible we're all looking in the wrong places?

Most of the speculation is around players already playing in this country, but I was intrigued by the recent addition to the backroom staff of Kalifa Cisse. There was a thread going on this for a short while, I believe, but people seem to have lost interest in that. I still think it may give a clue as to our ongoing transfer activity. I may have remembered it wrongly, but I think the announcement said he'd been brought initially in on a short term contract to do some coaching, with the reference to recruitment being thrown in almost as an afterthought. This seems strange to me. If you are adding someone to your coaching team because you think they have something of value to offer in that field, how often do clubs give such a person just a short term deal? Doesn't quite add up to me.

I am rather inclined to think that it is his experience of football elsewhere in Europe that is of interest to us, added to his multi-lingual skills. The latter could make him very useful in helping in negotiations with players and agents whose first language is not English - for a short time (hence the contract?). It would also be an asset in helping players to make the transition to England, settle in, communicate with coaches and team mates until greater proficiency in the language has been acquired, and so on (which is something we may have lacked in the past).

All of which makes me wonder if we're shopping abroad and all the speculation about English-based players is wide of the mark. I know there is an awareness on OTIB of LJ's trips to Portugal and elsewhere, but relatively little mention has been made of it lately. Mark Ashton's comment about a "proven 9" might also make sense in this context, as the target most highlighted over the summer has arguably been Nketiah, who - exciting prospect as he might be - certainly does not fit this description, while those who do are mostly unlikely, underwhelming, overpaid, over-priced and under-performing - or all of the above. 

My money is on a foreign player who nobody saw coming and none of us have ever heard of. It's been known...

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8 minutes ago, RedM said:

I understand what you mean, but MA is smarter than letting something slip accidentally surely? He would have chosen his words carefully or else he leaves himself wide open to the wrath of fury from fans if he now doesn’t deliver. Fans will have a stick to beat him with at every opportunity if this player doesn’t materialise, and they will. And he knows so.

No way would he throw himself under the bus like this.

I agree. Putting the work proven in front of something is descriptive and deliberate.  Is not something that would slip out IMO.  Do you know what I mean? 

I agree with what @BobBobSuperBob is saying though, it does put unnecessary pressure on you if you haven't got one fully signed up. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

 

 

It's going to become even more confusing on OTIB if we start to quote surnames before given names when posting players initials! Or are you both referring to Nic Eliasson? ;)

No,  I was referring to your cousin Nigel Everard.

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4 minutes ago, RedM said:

I understand what you mean, but MA is smarter than letting something slip accidentally surely? He would have chosen his words carefully or else he leaves himself wide open to the wrath of fury from fans if he now doesn’t deliver. Fans will have a stick to beat him with at every opportunity if this player doesn’t materialise, and they will. And he knows so.

No way would he throw himself under the bus like this.

I’m also clinging to this shred of hope! A proven - at this level - striker would really give everyone a big lift I feel. 

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8 minutes ago, RedM said:

I understand what you mean, but MA is smarter than letting something slip accidentally surely? He would have chosen his words carefully or else he leaves himself wide open to the wrath of fury from fans if he now doesn’t deliver. Fans will have a stick to beat him with at every opportunity if this player doesn’t materialise, and they will. And he knows so.

No way would he throw himself under the bus like this.

Not so sure M !

he will have had numerous numerous conversations internally in last few months talking about a ‘Proven Striker’

Easy to begin to sub consciously associate the two words and use them when thrown on the spot ,

he wasn’t particularly prepared for the COD question , which surprised me , especially as GT had said he was going to ask about COD

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2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Not so sure M !

he will have had numerous numerous conversations internally in last few months talking about a ‘Proven Striker’

Easy to begin to sub consciously associate the two words and use them when thrown on the spot ,

he wasn’t particularly prepared for the COD question , which surprised me , especially as GT had said he was going to ask about COD

That’s fair comment, and I haven’t listened to the interview just saw the twitter content posted on here. MA is usually super smooth though, that’s what made me think he would be prepared and only give what info he was confident with.

Regarding Cisse who is mentioned above. Yes I can see a player from Europe or Africa brought in as he have before and being settled in my Cisse who has suddenly appeared and given a role. But the use of the term ‘proven’ surely wouldn’t apply here? Yes the player may play at the no 9 position, but I am taking ‘proven’ to mean with Championship or above experience too.

I don’t keep tabs on League One very much, what about someone who scored a lot of goals but narrowly missed out on promotion, or have these players been snapped up already? Or perhaps someone from one of the relegated teams? 

 

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4 minutes ago, RedM said:

I understand what you mean, but MA is smarter than letting something slip accidentally surely? He would have chosen his words carefully or else he leaves himself wide open to the wrath of fury from fans if he now doesn’t deliver. Fans will have a stick to beat him with at every opportunity if this player doesn’t materialise, and they will. And he knows so.

No way would he throw himself under the bus like this.

I think that we all need to cut MA and LJ some slack. Over the summer, LJ has been widely taken to task over his use of the word 'bold'; now, it's what does MA mean by 'proven'? It's getting like the bleeding Da Vinci Code on here with everyone trying to solve riddles!

I appreciate that regarding transfer dealings, our club (quite rightly) operate an information blackout and the resulting information vacuum encourages everyone to  analyse the arse off of ever single word MA/LJ utter to derive hidden meaning. If this results in us metaphorically beating up our club officials then it could result in even fewer briefings from them containing even less substance. From time to time, we all say things which could be interpreted differently by the listener - but most of us don't have to do it to twenty thousand people, in front of a camera and a journalist!

IMO there are no riddles, we're just looking to make decent signings. Anyway we've not too long to wait to find out!

 

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1 minute ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

I think that we all need to cut MA and LJ some slack. Over the summer, LJ has been widely taken to task over his use of the word 'bold'; now, it's what does MA mean by 'proven'? It's getting like the bleeding Da Vinci Code on here with everyone trying to solve riddles!

I appreciate that regarding transfer dealings, our club (quite rightly) operate an information blackout and the resulting information vacuum encourages everyone to  analyse the arse off of ever single word MA/LJ utter to derive hidden meaning. If this results in us metaphorically beating up our club officials then it could result in even fewer briefings from them containing even less substance. From time to time, we all say things which could be interpreted differently by the listener - but most of us don't have to do it to twenty thousand people, in front of a camera and a journalist!

IMO there are no riddles, we're just looking to make decent signings. Anyway we've not too long to wait to find out!

 

You are right of course, and a spoilsport too! 😀

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