TonyTonyTony Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 No chance. He is LJs love child considering he always plays him irrespective of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, westonred said: IMO we could get rid of Pato, O'Dowda, Watkins, Adelakun, and Walsh and wouldn't really miss them These 2 young players had severe injury problems last season, and I'd certainly like to see more of Walsh before binning him. We must have seen something in Hakeeb to sign him but he's had no real opportunities to show it yet. Mind you with all the signings LJ's making you'd think these 2, and many others, must be getting restless at AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: No chance. He is LJs love child considering he always plays him irrespective of form. Accept he drops him regularly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: he always plays him irrespective of form Didnt start yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: These 2 young players had severe injury problems last season, and I'd certainly like to see more of Walsh before binning him. We must have seen something in Hakeeb to sign him but he's had no real opportunities to show it yet. Mind you with all the signings LJ's making you'd think these 2, and many others, must be getting restless at AG. I don't think either have had enough of a chance to show what they could do, Walsh could have a future here, but I don't think LJ rates Adelakun. I think Walsh could do with a loan move with an option to recall in January if we're signing Massengo though. Adelakun I don't think will ever get a chance here, Portsmouth would be a great move for him, they've just lost Lowe & he's very good at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fpcity Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Bit of a surprise but with Palmer joining and looking like he'll play that advance midfield role which is Patos best position its maybe best for the player. With Sammy and Taylor also here to bring off the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fontaineofallknowledge Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 He’s one that I think we can move on if we want to improve, superb on his day but if Johnson is a streaky manager then he is epitomised by Pato-who can often go missing for weeks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: I don't think either have had enough of a chance to show what they could do, Walsh could have a future here, but I don't think LJ rates Adelakun. I think Walsh could do with a loan move with an option to recall in January if we're signing Massengo though. Adelakun I don't think will ever get a chance here, Portsmouth would be a great move for him, they've just lost Lowe & he's very good at that level. Due to his injury setting him back terminally as far as a career at AG is concerned, or have they just decided he's not good enough after all? Where would Walsh go on loan - too good for L1 imo., and what Championship club would want him after failing to break through here? If we 'store' players (on good wages btw.) for a year or 2 and hardly play them, then their careers, and reputations in the game can only regress, and their suitors and value to the club will be reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Wasn't Paterson one of many who could do no wrong two seasons ago and then had a serious injury and never got his form back? The season when we reached the semi finals, were in second place at Christmas and then bombed in the new year. We had quite a few out through injury and the strain on the remaining players became too much to keep up the pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 45 minutes ago, CodeRed said: Well he has signed 52 players and wants 5 more so that's hardly surprising Manager who has been at club for a fair stretch has signed lots of players shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicky10 Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said: That doesn't answer my question! However, it does seem plausible that Paterson might be one to go given the arrival of Smzodics, Palmer and Massengo. That said, he got game time yesterday and I thought he did OK. Prefer to see Pack move on...Massengo is a defensive midfielder ,(replacement) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, vicky10 said: Prefer to see Pack move on...Massengo is a defensive midfielder ,(replacement) ? LJ said in an interview he sees him as an attacking midfielder, don't think he means CAM, but a cm in a 2 who will get forward, very much been described as box to box before. He did however say he'd want a CDM as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFencing Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Not surprised if he does go. Three similar type players, would be hard to keep them all happy and give them enough game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Our second best technically gifted player. I think it’ll be a shame if he does go. Should’ve started yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said: That doesn't answer my question! However, it does seem plausible that Paterson might be one to go given the arrival of Smzodics, Palmer and Massengo. That said, he got game time yesterday and I thought he did OK. Too much illogical decisions at City. If Pato is going, why did he come on as sub? Why not Szmodics instead? Why did O'Dowda start? Is he keeping Matt Taylor? Because he believes he is good enough to get 10-15 goals this season? Why an 18 year old midfielder for £8 million from Monaco? Where are the midfield general and fox in the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsKev Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 No big surprise, had a small window of being outstanding and thinking the £500k purchase was a steal. The reality he isn't good enough to take us to where we want to get to. Good pro, consistency lacking I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: Too much illogical decisions at City. If Pato is going, why did he come on as sub? Why not Szmodics instead? Why did O'Dowda start? Is he keeping Matt Taylor? Because he believes he is good enough to get 10-15 goals this season? Why an 18 year old midfielder for £8 million from Monaco? Where are the midfield general and fox in the box? Partly it seems because the fans have got a loud and popular song for him. Wish they'd come up with a good one for Walsh after that Stoke game, perhaps we'd have seen more of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 We have far to many midfield players at the moment. Smith Brownhill Pack Brownhill (duplication) O'dowda Walsh Watkins Palmer Adelakun Szmodics Eliason Paterson Bakinson (Also Weiman and Semenyo who are strikers/forwards but tend to be played in wide roles) 13-15 players with possible more incoming for just 4-5 slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fiale said: We have far to many midfield players at the moment. Smith Brownhill Pack Brownhill O'dowda Walsh Watkins Palmer Adelakun Szmodics Eliason Paterson Bakinson (Also Weiman and Semenyo who are strikers/forwards but tend to be played in wide roles) 13-15 players with possible more incoming for just 4-5 slots. Surely we don't need both the Brownhill twins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Midred said: Surely we don't need both the Brownhill twins? So great he gets named twice ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Wouldn't surprise me, hasn't been the player I was hoping he'd turn out to be in a long time If true I'd wish him well, but I'd agree 100% with the decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, Fiale said: Smith Brownhill Pack O'dowda Walsh Watkins Palmer Adelakun Szmodics Eliason Paterson Bakinson CM's I'd say we're only 3 players heavy potentially in Bakinson, Watkins and Adelakun. Bakinson could yet be loaned out but while Korey is injured would we risk it? You do have players like Weimann who can play wing as well but if you were writing down a list you'd put him as a striker. CM Smith Pack Brownhill Walsh Bakinson Wingers O'Dowda Eliasson Paterson Watkins Adelakun CAM Palmer Szmodics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Two seasons ago I really thought there was a stage just before Christmas when he was one of the best players in the league. Sadly his form has been pretty awful since then. Not sure what went wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Due to his injury setting him back terminally as far as a career at AG is concerned, or have they just decided he's not good enough after all? Where would Walsh go on loan - too good for L1 imo., and what Championship club would want him after failing to break through here? If we 'store' players (on good wages btw.) for a year or 2 and hardly play them, then their careers, and reputations in the game can only regress, and their suitors and value to the club will be reduced. I don’t think Johnson feels he’s good enough, we’d surely have seen more of him by now if he did. Shame cause I banged on about him for a while on here, liked how direct he was & got quite a few assists/goals every season in an average Scunthorpe side. Walsh probably would be too good for League One, but a good few months starting every game would be beneficial to him imo. Hasn’t played much in the last couple of years at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 43 minutes ago, MATT BCFC said: Two seasons ago I really thought there was a stage just before Christmas when he was one of the best players in the league. Sadly his form has been pretty awful since then. Not sure what went wrong? Simple answer. He was played centrally and given a free role behind Bobby Reid. After Christmas and Fammy's return, he has been played wide left and sporadically since. Just like Weimann was prior to Fammy's return for the first six games of the season last year, a revelation centrally, just above average because of his energy, when played out wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 32 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: I don’t think Johnson feels he’s good enough, we’d surely have seen more of him by now if he did. Shame cause I banged on about him for a while on here, liked how direct he was & got quite a few assists/goals every season in an average Scunthorpe side. Walsh probably would be too good for League One, but a good few months starting every game would be beneficial to him imo. Hasn’t played much in the last couple of years at all. Scunthorpe? Who Pato? Thought it Walsall, correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INB Red Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Nibor said: Wingers and creative players are often labelled inconsistent. It's a bit lazy sometimes, beating opponents is difficult so not everything will come off and if your team has low possession you're accused of being absent. Pato has always impressed me because for a creative player he works bloody hard off the ball and closes down extremely well. Yes he can make mistakes in possession and sometimes is over elaborate or goes one step too far before passing, but I think he's one of the more consistent creative players and I'd keep him. I'm quite surprised there's speculation he's leaving, I'd imagine it would only happen if we had had a decent offer not as some sort of cull. We could lose plenty of other players first before Pato needed to go IMO. He’s ‘over elaborate’ every time he has the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Just now, Fuber said: Scunthorpe? Who Pato? Thought it Walsall, correct me if I'm wrong. Apologies mate, gone a bit off topic and discussing Adelakun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Just now, Carey 6 said: Apologies mate, gone a bit off topic and discussing Adelakun. Ah, that'll teach me to actually read through the thread in its entirety. Thought I'd lost the plot for a second. 2 minutes ago, INB Red said: He’s ‘over elaborate’ every time he has the ball Very similar to Freeman really. I think the key difference is Luke actually had a bit more presence about him and a better work ethic (at least tracking his runners and getting back to help the defence). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoxton casual Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Bristol is red said: Patersons biggest problem is he just holds onto the ball too long or tries to take everyone on himself. If he cuts that out and was abit more streetwise with the ball you'd see an instant improvement with him. If the penny finally drops for him he could be a very good player. Is he smart enough to work this out? His free kick did my nut in. The wall was 8 yards off the line so very difficult to curl over. He had Brownhill to his right and if he squared it he would have had a direct shot goal taking the 5 man wall out of the equation. Oh no he trys to curl it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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