Busterrimes Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Red Exile said: If Pack didn't want to leave I'd be interested in who exactly wanted him to go...and why? He takes a great deal of character with him. My uninformed assumption would be that MA needed Marlon to leave to free up salary space for Afobe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Red Exile said: If Pack didn't want to leave I'd be interested in who exactly wanted him to go...and why? He takes a great deal of character with him. You can't sign 12 new players and not move some on. We had too many midfield players and Cardiff made an offer for Marlon that was too good to refuse. Cardiff is close to hs home, and he’s getting a pay rise. All seems a bit of a no-brainer to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knighty Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Monkeh said: He’s 28 and wants to play first team football, in the space of 3 days he’s found himself 4th choice soon to become 5th choice when Korey is back, cardiff come in with a bid that’s too good to turn down 6 mill according to some, that’s a hell of a profit on a player who is 4th choice Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Knighty said: Wrong How, he’s behind han-Massengo nagy brownhill therefore 4th choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Monkeh said: He’s 28 and wants to play first team football, in the space of 3 days he’s found himself 4th choice soon to become 5th choice when Korey is back, cardiff come in with a bid that’s too good to turn down 6 mill according to some, that’s a hell of a profit on a player who is 4th choice We got £6m for Pack??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 Just now, BS4 on Tour... said: We got £6m for Pack??! No idea that’s why I said according to some, we do know it’s a bid too good to turn down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 As regular posters will know, I am a big fan of Pack, but I’ve also written on here numerous times that if we are able to upgrade him then I am open to that. No one is irreplaceable but I always felt that Marlon was an integral part of our team - LJ has almost built the team around him, our style of play has revolved around the ball going through Pack, and we naturally played a mid-tempo game. Pack’s qualities were most evident when Reid played up front. His qualities are his vision and passing (no matter what people say, it’s true) and when he had an intelligent mover infront of him he was able to locate incisive forward passes. Pack’s defensive qualities are also hugely underestimated by his detractors. Very very rarely did we get opened up down the middle when he was in the strict DM role. He protected the CB’s very well. Defensive solidity, passing ability, bravery on the ball, organisation - he was a very important part of this team. There aren’t many players who are happy to receive the ball off the defence or keeper when he’s under pressure facing his own goal and be able to have the bravery, ability and strength to retain possession. He had his weaknesses too. Pace being the blindingly obvious one. If Pack had pace then he’d have been playing in the Premier league. As I said many times though, if an upgrade were available at a good price then I am happy to see Pack move on. This Nagy chap, certainly on paper, looks to be an upgrade and at a good price. Time will tell but if that’s the case, then that’s all good. Again, on paper, a central midfield pair of Nagy & Massengo looks very exciting and an improvement on a Pack/Brownhill pairing. Looking at the traits of these 2 newbies I’d guess that we may see a change in style of our play. As said before, Pack being the fulcrum meant we played most of our build up through him. These 2 newbs, plus Afobe seems to suggest a much quicker tempo, both on and off the ball, so we may see a very different City. That’s the hope anyway. I’m a big fan of Pack, but he wasn’t irreplaceable. Contrary to popular opinion, he’s been a bloody good player for 6 years and people should respect that. Contrary to popular opinion he didn’t always pass it backwards, he didn’t always lose the ball, he didn’t always hit Hollywood passes, he didn’t always lose his runner etc etc. He was a very firm and influential player in our team for 6 years, which saw year on year improvement. I’d like to wish him well, but I can’t. Cardiff are *****. We have seen the final departure in the evolution of the team. Hopefully we didn’t get rid of him too soon, but I’m excited about the evolution and Nagy, Massengo, Afobe look to be offering a very different style of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Monkeh said: No idea that’s why I said according to some, we do know it’s a bid too good to turn down So according to the rumours, we got somewhere between £750k and £6m - interesting ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Knighty Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Monkeh said: How, he’s behind han-Massengo nagy brownhill therefore 4th choice Oh u were there when he was told... sorry I take it back... 4th!!! Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Harry said: As regular posters will know, I am a big fan of Pack, but I’ve also written on here numerous times that if we are able to upgrade him then I am open to that. No one is irreplaceable but I always felt that Marlon was an integral part of our team - LJ has almost built the team around him, our style of play has revolved around the ball going through Pack, and we naturally played a mid-tempo game. Pack’s qualities were most evident when Reid played up front. His qualities are his vision and passing (no matter what people say, it’s true) and when he had an intelligent mover infront of him he was able to locate incisive forward passes. Pack’s defensive qualities are also hugely underestimated by his detractors. Very very rarely did we get opened up down the middle when he was in the strict DM role. He protected the CB’s very well. Defensive solidity, passing ability, bravery on the ball, organisation - he was a very important part of this team. There aren’t many players who are happy to receive the ball off the defence or keeper when he’s under pressure facing his own goal and be able to have the bravery, ability and strength to retain possession. He had his weaknesses too. Pace being the blindingly obvious one. If Pack had pace then he’d have been playing in the Premier league. As I said many times though, if an upgrade were available at a good price then I am happy to see Pack move on. This Nagy chap, certainly on paper, looks to be an upgrade and at a good price. Time will tell but if that’s the case, then that’s all good. Again, on paper, a central midfield pair of Nagy & Massengo looks very exciting and an improvement on a Pack/Brownhill pairing. Looking at the traits of these 2 newbies I’d guess that we may see a change in style of our play. As said before, Pack being the fulcrum meant we played most of our build up through him. These 2 newbs, plus Afobe seems to suggest a much quicker tempo, both on and off the ball, so we may see a very different City. That’s the hope anyway. I’m a big fan of Pack, but he wasn’t irreplaceable. Contrary to popular opinion, he’s been a bloody good player for 6 years and people should respect that. Contrary to popular opinion he didn’t always pass it backwards, he didn’t always lose the ball, he didn’t always hit Hollywood passes, he didn’t always lose his runner etc etc. He was a very firm and influential player in our team for 6 years, which saw year on year improvement. I’d like to wish him well, but I can’t. Cardiff are *****. We have seen the final departure in the evolution of the team. Hopefully we didn’t get rid of him too soon, but I’m excited about the evolution and Nagy, Massengo, Afobe look to be offering a very different style of football. Slim. This is a 7951mil deal though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 3 hours ago, AppyDAZE said: FFS no Still doesn’t start often. Not sure he is rated and last year of deal unless they trigger extension(sure we will). But yea he is probably one of the few left with value(profit from his original fee). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Knighty said: Oh u were there when he was told... sorry I take it back... 4th!!! Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said: A kid in amongst other kids. Doesn’t mean to say he’s going to be that person now though I suggest you watch him in the next game. Against Leeds he was constantly talking to those around him and encouraging them. 100% captain material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 For those of you who have said, 'why are you posting constantly differing transfer fees', the reason is simple. I am making them up as I go along. For those who 'know' the real transfer fee, please quote it and name the person who gave you the information. You won't be jeopardising the transfer, that's done. And if someone that close to the actual transfer has given you the information and are that important, they won't get sacked. 97BILLION. (I've gone a bit Swedish this evening). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Knighty said: Oh u were there when he was told... sorry I take it back... 4th!!! Wow Does that voice in your head ever shut up? Nobody cares about the bullshit you make up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Knighty said: Hearing that pack didn’t want to go was forced to as on the most and had to cut back.. sure happy he got more money... but actually didn’t want to leave... hence why Walsh or bakinson didn’t go out on loan as pack was dragging his heels... believe the other 2 will go out on loan though to league 1 He didn't drag his heels for long then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, Harry said: As regular posters will know, I am a big fan of Pack, but I’ve also written on here numerous times that if we are able to upgrade him then I am open to that. No one is irreplaceable but I always felt that Marlon was an integral part of our team - LJ has almost built the team around him, our style of play has revolved around the ball going through Pack, and we naturally played a mid-tempo game. Pack’s qualities were most evident when Reid played up front. His qualities are his vision and passing (no matter what people say, it’s true) and when he had an intelligent mover infront of him he was able to locate incisive forward passes. Pack’s defensive qualities are also hugely underestimated by his detractors. Very very rarely did we get opened up down the middle when he was in the strict DM role. He protected the CB’s very well. Defensive solidity, passing ability, bravery on the ball, organisation - he was a very important part of this team. There aren’t many players who are happy to receive the ball off the defence or keeper when he’s under pressure facing his own goal and be able to have the bravery, ability and strength to retain possession. He had his weaknesses too. Pace being the blindingly obvious one. If Pack had pace then he’d have been playing in the Premier league. As I said many times though, if an upgrade were available at a good price then I am happy to see Pack move on. This Nagy chap, certainly on paper, looks to be an upgrade and at a good price. Time will tell but if that’s the case, then that’s all good. Again, on paper, a central midfield pair of Nagy & Massengo looks very exciting and an improvement on a Pack/Brownhill pairing. Looking at the traits of these 2 newbies I’d guess that we may see a change in style of our play. As said before, Pack being the fulcrum meant we played most of our build up through him. These 2 newbs, plus Afobe seems to suggest a much quicker tempo, both on and off the ball, so we may see a very different City. That’s the hope anyway. I’m a big fan of Pack, but he wasn’t irreplaceable. Contrary to popular opinion, he’s been a bloody good player for 6 years and people should respect that. Contrary to popular opinion he didn’t always pass it backwards, he didn’t always lose the ball, he didn’t always hit Hollywood passes, he didn’t always lose his runner etc etc. He was a very firm and influential player in our team for 6 years, which saw year on year improvement. I’d like to wish him well, but I can’t. Cardiff are *****. We have seen the final departure in the evolution of the team. Hopefully we didn’t get rid of him too soon, but I’m excited about the evolution and Nagy, Massengo, Afobe look to be offering a very different style of football. Excellent summary and I agree with most of it. Apart from the year on year improvement. On Sunday I thought Marlon I think you've reached your peak, and it may not be good enough if we want to progress as a team. I wish him well. And hope that along with Aden he can put Cardiff where they belong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Musicworks Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: So according to the rumours, we got somewhere between £750k and £6m - interesting ... The Post saying £750k and Johnson saying it was too good to turn down doesn’t seem to match up.Something doesn’t seem right but after the Chelsea theory I better not start any more conspiracy theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 Lee Johnson “At this stage in his career and what was offered for him it makes this move the right decision for Marlon and Bristol City.” Nagy is the future. Marlon has been a fantastic servant and will deserve an applause on his return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 37 minutes ago, Swede said: I must confess that I am astonished by both sales, and it's a real gamble by the club. Marlon is captain on the pitch and has become the go to senior player. His influence playing in the "quarterback role, a role LJ designed for him, meant that he was an integral part of Bristol City and a shoe in for every match. Pato has got so much class, a very intelligent player who runs in between the lines. The one bit of criticism is he lacks consistency, AND he hates Derby!!! I'm all for improving but with these player's departures very close to one another I feel we've lost our way, and with it our identity, especially as Pack didn't want to leave. What happens if it takes time for the foreign lads to bed in? It's a hell of a price to pay for blowing up a really good chance of doing something meaningful this season. Ultimately I hope I'm proved wrong but I have this nagging doubt . . . Absolutely spot on. Our record with foreign players under LJ says they will take time to bed in.... In LJs defence....we were saying similar last year when we lost Flint, Bryan and Reid, and that worked out really well in the end I really do think this is it for LJ now though. If there isn't a serious promotion challenge this season I hope he is removed . Might sound very harsh and extreme but this manager has been backed to the hilt since his arrival, he has been given patience and time....this team and the whole set up is now 100% his . No more "he's learning " etc....he has to deliver a serious top 6 challenge this year . This is a real gamble and the result of it will be on his head...whether that's a successful end or not I personally believe he could regret letting these two go, however that's simply my opinion . The next 5 or 6 games will be really interesting that's for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoPal Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 Even if Marlon only stood in as a back up to our defensive midfielders this season, it should have been with us and not with bluddy Cardiff. This sale makes no sense at all. We would not get a comparable replacement for the 700k, so you keep this type of player in your own squad. Cardiff are laughing their arses off at us!! Bad move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: Absolutely spot on. Our record with foreign players under LJ says they will take time to bed in.... In LJs defence....we were saying similar last year when we lost Flint, Bryan and Reid, and that worked out really well in the end I really do think this is it for LJ now though. If there isn't a serious promotion challenge this season I hope he is removed . Might sound very harsh and extreme but this manager has been backed to the hilt since his arrival, he has been given patience and time....this team and the whole set up is now 100% his . No more "he's learning " etc....he has to deliver a serious top 6 challenge this year . This is a real gamble and the result of it will be on his head...whether that's a successful end or not I personally believe he could regret letting these two go, however that's simply my opinion . The next 5 or 6 games will be really interesting that's for sure Can 11 new players and our key CB in Webster and an important midfielder leaving pretty late in the window bring about a serious promotion challenge? That's a hell of a lot of change to bed in and quickly at that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Can 11 new players and our key CB in Webster and an important midfielder bring about a serious promotion challenge? A serious playoff tilt yes but top 2? We'll see! That's a hell of a lot of change to bed in and quickly at that. When I talk promotion challenge I mean top 6. I don't think we are anywhere near good enough for top 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Can 11 new players and our key CB in Webster and an important midfielder bring about a serious promotion challenge? A serious playoff tilt yes but top 2?We'll see! That's a hell of a lot of change to bed in and quickly at that. Such an important point, you thought it was worth mentioning twice. I agree, though. It’s been said they’ve been a very tight-knit group for some considerable time, with good team spirit, but that being so, Marlon’s reluctant (some might say forced) departure may not sit comfortably with his former teammates and ten new players is a huge number to integrate quickly. It’s also been said LJ is a good man manager. He’ll need to be. That’s an awful lot of change and for better or worse it’s a very different changing room now. The dynamics may prove challenging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Can 11 new players and our key CB in Webster and an important midfielder bring about a serious promotion challenge? A serious playoff tilt yes but top 2? We'll see! That's a hell of a lot of change to bed in and quickly at that. Very true @Mr Popodopolous , huge amount of change, more than I imagined. Interesting times, LJ has a lot of work to do to make this work. Given that SL expects play - offs as a minimum, the pressure is truly on. I actually think that LJ is not bomb proof , nor is the charming Mr Ashton........very surprising day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 Still one of my fave away ditties .. You used to be blue, but now you’re red You look like ***** when you tap your head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, Harry said: As regular posters will know, I am a big fan of Pack, but I’ve also written on here numerous times that if we are able to upgrade him then I am open to that. No one is irreplaceable but I always felt that Marlon was an integral part of our team - LJ has almost built the team around him, our style of play has revolved around the ball going through Pack, and we naturally played a mid-tempo game. Pack’s qualities were most evident when Reid played up front. His qualities are his vision and passing (no matter what people say, it’s true) and when he had an intelligent mover infront of him he was able to locate incisive forward passes. Pack’s defensive qualities are also hugely underestimated by his detractors. Very very rarely did we get opened up down the middle when he was in the strict DM role. He protected the CB’s very well. Defensive solidity, passing ability, bravery on the ball, organisation - he was a very important part of this team. There aren’t many players who are happy to receive the ball off the defence or keeper when he’s under pressure facing his own goal and be able to have the bravery, ability and strength to retain possession. He had his weaknesses too. Pace being the blindingly obvious one. If Pack had pace then he’d have been playing in the Premier league. As I said many times though, if an upgrade were available at a good price then I am happy to see Pack move on. This Nagy chap, certainly on paper, looks to be an upgrade and at a good price. Time will tell but if that’s the case, then that’s all good. Again, on paper, a central midfield pair of Nagy & Massengo looks very exciting and an improvement on a Pack/Brownhill pairing. Looking at the traits of these 2 newbies I’d guess that we may see a change in style of our play. As said before, Pack being the fulcrum meant we played most of our build up through him. These 2 newbs, plus Afobe seems to suggest a much quicker tempo, both on and off the ball, so we may see a very different City. That’s the hope anyway. I’m a big fan of Pack, but he wasn’t irreplaceable. Contrary to popular opinion, he’s been a bloody good player for 6 years and people should respect that. Contrary to popular opinion he didn’t always pass it backwards, he didn’t always lose the ball, he didn’t always hit Hollywood passes, he didn’t always lose his runner etc etc. He was a very firm and influential player in our team for 6 years, which saw year on year improvement. I’d like to wish him well, but I can’t. Cardiff are *****. We have seen the final departure in the evolution of the team. Hopefully we didn’t get rid of him too soon, but I’m excited about the evolution and Nagy, Massengo, Afobe look to be offering a very different style of football. If only all that were true and we wouldn't have got rid of him. On his day he could do some of those things, but could rarely do all of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 Thanks Marlon. You will be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fpcity Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: Absolutely spot on. Our record with foreign players under LJ says they will take time to bed in.... In LJs defence....we were saying similar last year when we lost Flint, Bryan and Reid, and that worked out really well in the end I really do think this is it for LJ now though. If there isn't a serious promotion challenge this season I hope he is removed . Might sound very harsh and extreme but this manager has been backed to the hilt since his arrival, he has been given patience and time....this team and the whole set up is now 100% his . No more "he's learning " etc....he has to deliver a serious top 6 challenge this year . This is a real gamble and the result of it will be on his head...whether that's a successful end or not I personally believe he could regret letting these two go, however that's simply my opinion . The next 5 or 6 games will be really interesting that's for sure I think this as well. He's spent a lot but also the wage bill would've gone up. Maybe the board are thinking that this season is a good time for a promotion push with teams cutting back with FFP and a lot of the top scorers moving out of the championship. If this season pans out like the last few where we have an ok start, fantastic middle and terrible end then it's something to do with the manager as the team is considerably different so can't say it's the players bottling it due to past actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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