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Marlon Pack - Confirmed signed for Cardiff (Merged)

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15 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

No, a side that will play more physical football.

A side that uses robust centre midfielders to get a physical advantage over their opponents. 

LJ needs midfielders who are quicker and more energetic, qualities which Marlon doesn’t bring

Spot on. I feel the same kind of thing about Fam. Would be far better in a different kind of side. Afobe with his ability on the shoulder vital for Palmer or possibly Szmodics. 

Back to Pack, he won't be so much of a deep lying playmaker at Cardiff. He can go long which he likes to do and probably have a more basic role under Warnock, rather than being asked to do too much by LJ getting up and down the pitch.

He can just sit deep and when he gets it ping it out to the Cardiff pacy wingers on the break which was Warnock's game plan last time they got promoted.

With us he didn't like to pass it and move. I never felt he was comfortable receiving the ball unless he was in a lot of space, usually all the way back in our defence.

Seems like Nagy and certainly Brownhill can receive it higher up in tight spaces, and can also get around the pitch better than Pack. Also Korey too if he returns the same player.

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20 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I’d assume so ,but

If that is the case , why has LJ built his side around MP for the whole of his tenure to date ?

He was a model pro and we've never had better midfield options. 

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32 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I’d assume so ,but

If that is the case , why has LJ built his side around MP for the whole of his tenure to date ?

That's a question I've been asking for at least 2 years. Now I like Pack, and I think (like Flint) we have seen him improve steadily over the years , but we have been crying out for a genuine DMF/ball winner for some time. He has never had pace , but the Leeds game really highlighted that. 

28 minutes ago, RedSA said:

Because he could ‘trust’ him. Glad he’s moved on though personally. Appreciate what he did for us but always found his lack of speed (physical and thought) frustrating. Will work well in a Warnock team though, I reckon. 

Safe pair of hands, may have thrived being able to play 5 yards further forward pulling the strings and not having to worry about chasing runners, and having that DMF behind him. Depending how they play he may well fit right in. Big ball winner at the back with Flint (I saw someone give himMoM yesterday , he fits what you expect with NW), and if they bypass the midfield he can just sit as a shield for the defence. He'll do a job for them, maybe Warnock doesn't have that togetherness in the team that AF and MP can help with.

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1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Possibly 

i didn’t think he was the future , moving forward, and exposed in Leeds game

Sounding to LJs pre match it sounded like he didn’t want to lose him

It would have been interesting to have seen him with Nagy & JB

Have a feeling MP was happy to go and I don’t believe that it was a sudden deadline day move by Warnock

Id be surprised if ex Cotterill teammates didn’t have a hand in a couple of ‘sounding out‘ players and transfers  this summer

 

Any reason for not believing it Bob?

I was told from a good source that he was in the park with his kid when he got the call!

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As a lot of posters have alluded to I think LJ decided now was the time to change the way our midfield operates, swapping Nagy for Pack made us much more dynamic and agile yesterday, hopefully this will lead to a more entertaining brand of football at home as this is where we have been particularly poor for some time now. Will be interesting to see how Massengo is introduced into the team as the noises from the club seem to allude to him being of a similar type i.e. quick feet, able to carry the ball etc.

If Marlon has had a positive impact at Cardiff then it seems to be a good move for all parties, it will no doubt be a lucrative contract he will have signed too. Good luck to him and I'm sure all city fans wish him well other than when we play them.

It also seems as though we have made circa £20m profit on the transfer dealings this summer, albeit the wage bill have increased, hopefully this means if we are in and around the top 6 in January we will finally spend some money wherever it is needed to cement our play-off charge rather than limp to the finish line.

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I think we’ve simply progressed past having Pack as our main midfielder. We haven’t been able to buy anyone to improve on him until now; now our finances and (dare I say it) reputation/ standing mean that we can. So we have. “Simples.”

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1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

That's a question I've been asking for at least 2 years. Now I like Pack, and I think (like Flint) we have seen him improve steadily over the years , but we have been crying out for a genuine DMF/ball winner for some time. He has never had pace , but the Leeds game really highlighted that. 

Safe pair of hands, may have thrived being able to play 5 yards further forward pulling the strings and not having to worry about chasing runners, and having that DMF behind him. Depending how they play he may well fit right in. Big ball winner at the back with Flint (I saw someone give himMoM yesterday , he fits what you expect with NW), and if they bypass the midfield he can just sit as a shield for the defence. He'll do a job for them, maybe Warnock doesn't have that togetherness in the team that AF and MP can help with.

All of a sudden with the fees paid for Kelly , Webster and company we were fishing in a different pond .

Upgrades were available and we no longer had need of Pack or Pato who aren’t going to improve. 

Best of luck to both of them incidentally.

 

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5 hours ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said:

On pack he needed to be moved on and was best for all parties. Whilst we will miss his character, work rate and Ariel presence he is the slowest midfielder in the league pace wise and slowed the play down too much. Johnson rightly identified that and replaced with Nagy to increase our tempo.

What is disappointing is the timing, assuming this wasn’t a knee jerk reaction from the Leeds game (pack was awful) then could we have not shipped out in the summer and got Nagy in earlier? Appreciate it often doesn’t work out like that but pre-season was basically a waste of time not we have changed personnel/formation!

Club legend that was at the heart of a great few years for us but it was time to thank him and move on. Pleased that he’s had a pay rise so will get some sort of payday.

Naggy was never brought in as a Pack replacement, the plan was never to let Marlon go as a result, this all came about very last minute decision following our enquiry for Reid and their question in return re Marlon. 

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3 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

You mean a side that will become successful?

I mean a side that lumps the ball, has no pace, and is very defensive. 

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14 minutes ago, Lez said:

I mean a side that lumps the ball, has no pace, and is very defensive. 

We are defensive, a good side will always have that as a solid base. But we have Mendez Laing, Murphy, junior hoilett and vassell now who all probe with pace. Reid and zohore were also quick but offered little else and struggled to actually score.

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35 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

All of a sudden with the fees paid for Kelly , Webster and company we were fishing in a different pond .

Upgrades were available and we no longer had need of Pack or Pato who aren’t going to improve. 

Best of luck to both of them incidentally.

 

I think the Webster money was the game changer, they could go for the likes of Hagy, Massengo and Pereira and not have to worry as much. They obviously went for THAT striker signing, and in a way I'm not upset upset we ended up with Afobe, looks like there could be understandings forming already. We have lacked movement for some time, with luck and a little time we may have found it, along with the DMF's we have lacked for some time.

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21 minutes ago, Montpelierblue said:

We are defensive, a good side will always have that as a solid base. But we have Mendez Laing, Murphy, junior hoilett and vassell now who all probe with pace. Reid and zohore were also quick but offered little else and struggled to actually score.

You'll probably do fine. Warnock has a way of getting the best from straightforward players and there should be plenty of value left in Pack and Flint. They'll both play better for being in the same team again.

What puzzles me is that you keep coming back for our players (and an ex-player) when we've only beaten you once since 2012.

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21 minutes ago, Montpelierblue said:

We are defensive, a good side will always have that as a solid base. But we have Mendez Laing, Murphy, junior hoilett and vassell now who all probe with pace. Reid and zohore were also quick but offered little else and struggled to actually score.

If your tactics are the same as last time you went up then it's awful to watch imo. But it could well be successful again. Just bypass the midfield, low possession even at home. But the pace on the wings and power mean you score goals when going direct, but also remain solid by being deep and having a load of big guys behind the ball. Proper anti-football.

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6 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

One simple question, did we miss him yesterday? In my mind it's a resounding no. I never had any moments where I thought damn I wish we had Pack still.

An injury to Nagy or Brownhill and I think we're going to regret it.

Until (hopefully) Korey Smith is back to his former level, we might really miss the backup of Pack's experience in the team/squad.

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18 minutes ago, Xiled said:

An injury to Nagy or Brownhill and I think we're going to regret it.

Until (hopefully) Korey Smith is back to his former level, we might really miss the backup of Pack's experience in the team/squad.

But then we have got HNM.

 

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6 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

But then we have got HNM.

 

Yes, and he looks like the real deal but he's young and lightweight.

I'm not against letting Pack go and I thought our midfield was pretty good against Brum but there's a risk to saying a player isn't missed when the whole situation can change very quickly.

One of Pack's great attributes was staying relatively injury free during so many long seasons. We don't know how Nagy or Massengo will hold up under the pressures of Championship football.

Let's hope for the best.

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3 hours ago, mozo said:

He was a model pro and we've never had better midfield options. 

I jokingly thought that LJ went to bed dreaming of being Marlon.

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3 hours ago, RaspberryRed said:

Any reason for not believing it Bob?

I was told from a good source that he was in the park with his kid when he got the call!

Don’t know but I’d be very surprised if it came as a shock

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4 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Possibly 

i didn’t think he was the future , moving forward, and exposed in Leeds game

Sounding to LJs pre match it sounded like he didn’t want to lose him

It would have been interesting to have seen him with Nagy & JB

Have a feeling MP was happy to go and I don’t believe that it was a sudden deadline day move by Warnock

Id be surprised if ex Cotterill teammates didn’t have a hand in a couple of ‘ sounding out ‘ players and transfers  this summer

 

I know for a fact that one of the reasons he was liked was his mentality and thus he could be ‘trusted’. Not saying it’s the only reason he was played but definitely contributed 

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32 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Don’t know but I’d be very surprised if it came as a shock

I thought his form here had started to plateau, and although Webster’s money came in this summer, I think LJ must’ve considered  some transition in our midfield with signings of Szmodics and Palmer. Webster’s money came through and I suspect Lee would’ve preferred until Jan to bed the new boys in, but we obviously got a good offer.

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2 hours ago, JonDolman said:

If your tactics are the same as last time you went up then it's awful to watch imo. But it could well be successful again. Just bypass the midfield, low possession even at home. But the pace on the wings and power mean you score goals when going direct, but also remain solid by being deep and having a load of big guys behind the ball. Proper anti-football.

It’s not for everyone for sure, 10 or so years ago we had Dave Jones whose team had some flair but we never got over the line, even malky mackay who took us up in 2013 served up some really boring football, ending the season with 6 draws I think. 

Luton yesterday, passing it back to the goalie and around there own box all the time, it would kill me to watch that, it’s not beautiful at all, Man City and Barcelona can do it well but few others, total football if you like. 

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1 minute ago, Montpelierblue said:

It’s not for everyone for sure, 10 or so years ago we had Dave Jones whose team had some flair but we never got over the line, even malky mackay who took us up in 2013 served up some really boring football, ending the season with 6 draws I think. 

Luton yesterday, passing it back to the goalie and around there own box all the time, it would kill me to watch that, it’s not beautiful at all, Man City and Barcelona can do it well but few others, total football if you like. 

I actually thought your Lot were exciting to watch it 17/18.  Might not have been pretty, but created penalty are action.

Also agree that some of this pass from the back stuff is boring as hell.

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2 hours ago, JonDolman said:

If your tactics are the same as last time you went up then it's awful to watch imo. But it could well be successful again. Just bypass the midfield, low possession even at home. But the pace on the wings and power mean you score goals when going direct, but also remain solid by being deep and having a load of big guys behind the ball. Proper anti-football.

We’ve hardly been setting the style alight for 18 months have we 

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3 hours ago, mightyreds89 said:

Naggy was never brought in as a Pack replacement, the plan was never to let Marlon go as a result, this all came about very last minute decision following our enquiry for Reid and their question in return re Marlon. 

Think about it from Pack's point of view though... City have just signed Massengo and Nagy. We've got Brownhill and Smith too. Weve got Bakinson and Walsh with 1st team ambitions. That's a lot of competition. Maybe his agent found himself open to certain conversations that let to where we are?

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Did I get players mixed up yesterday or did MP lose his man for the Luton goal?

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2 hours ago, Xiled said:

An injury to Nagy or Brownhill and I think we're going to regret it.

Until (hopefully) Korey Smith is back to his former level, we might really miss the backup of Pack's experience in the team/squad.

One thing I really hope for in all this is Korey isn’t binned off as quickly as his peers. With the revolving door of buy low sell high, we need the glue. A guy happy to be here, a good player but not so good that his head is turned elsewhere.

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1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said:

One thing I really hope for in all this is Korey isn’t binned off as quickly as his peers. With the revolving door of buy low sell high, we need the glue. A guy happy to be here, a good player but not so good that his head is turned elsewhere.

I think LJ trusts Korey - in his teams at Oldham and City. The main concern is, of course, fitness and staying injury free. The Korey Smith that played last season looked every bit the player we need to support the new midfielders.

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25 minutes ago, Montpelierblue said:

It’s not for everyone for sure, 10 or so years ago we had Dave Jones whose team had some flair but we never got over the line, even malky mackay who took us up in 2013 served up some really boring football, ending the season with 6 draws I think. 

Luton yesterday, passing it back to the goalie and around there own box all the time, it would kill me to watch that, it’s not beautiful at all, Man City and Barcelona can do it well but few others, total football if you like. 

Fair enough. But put it this way, if every team played like Warnock then I don't think football would be as popular as it is. Just a load of big guys smashing it long to a big centre forward or the wings. Cardiff vs Millwall will be a classic if this is what you enjoy watching.

 

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1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

Did I get players mixed up yesterday or did MP lose his man for the Luton goal?

I think it was Pack yes.

I am wondering. Now he has gone, are most glad we sold him and got what we did or will get? Or would they have kept him?

 

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4 hours ago, Lez said:

I mean a side that lumps the ball, has no pace, and is very defensive. 

As opposed to our team....that lumps the ball? 

There are still a fair few fans that seem to be dining out on us 'playing football the right way'....

....the right way is a way that brings success 

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39 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I think it was Pack yes.

I am wondering. Now he has gone, are most glad we sold him and got what we did or will get? Or would they have kept him?

 

From my own perspective I think it's best for all parties. It would have been good to see if playing with a new Korey type player like Nagy or Massengo would have got him back to his best, but we would have struggled to get everyone into a midfield that has Pack in it. In terms of age and sale value, I think we got top dollar for a player who wasn't going to improve, we have kept the more dynamic, younger player with more potential in Brownhill. I liked Marlon and was frustrated by him all in the same game on many occasions, I think Cardiff fans may find the same.

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44 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I think it was Pack yes.

I am wondering. Now he has gone, are most glad we sold him and got what we did or will get? Or would they have kept him?

 

Would’ve liked until January to see how he worked with Nagy and Massengo. 

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LJ has confirmed that the move was financially motivated for both club and player. I don't begrudge Pack heading off to get what is probably the last big pay rise of his career. It's just a shame it was so sudden and to Cardiff though. From LJ's post-Brum interview with McGregor:

"[Marlon] Pack - it was difficult to stand in his way, given the fee and the level of contract on offer and he's got to secure his family for the next three or four years like he has."

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4 hours ago, Up The City! said:

One simple question, did we miss him yesterday? In my mind it's a resounding no. I never had any moments where I thought damn I wish we had Pack still.

There will be times over the season where we miss his experience, height and calming influence on the midfield. 

We can't keep everyone though, and with the additions I can totally understand why we sold him. He's clearly got useful qualities though. 

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

I think it was Pack yes.

I am wondering. Now he has gone, are most glad we sold him and got what we did or will get? Or would they have kept him?

 

I have considered for the last two years that if we are to progress upwards, we needed to replace him. He had reached a peak with us.

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8 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

I have considered for the last two years that if we are to progress upwards, we needed to replace him. He had reached a peak with us.

Yep. I have been saying it pretty much last 2 years, or maybe 18 months. People not been happy with my Pack comments, but how Nagy seems to play is what I have always thought we have needed in there alongside Brownhill. Still early so who knows, but we still have Korey to return too and Massengo is highly rated. I am glad we are getting 4 million for Pack.

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Glad we got a decent ish fee for him,

Nagy has experience from playing at a high level both in Serie A and at international level.

So not only have we upgraded but unless i'm mistaken made a slight profit betwwen both transfer fees.

Good business.

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Something was going on behind the scenes hence our poor performance against Leeds and Palace. Not sure what but then MP and JP depart the club. Watched yesterday's highlights and am excited for the future. Also watched Leeds vs Forest and neither were special. Give it a few games to bed the new lads in and we will do ok IMO.

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2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

There will be times over the season where we miss his experience, height and calming influence on the midfield. 

We can't keep everyone though, and with the additions I can totally understand why we sold him. He's clearly got useful qualities though. 

Wasn't yesterday one of those games?

Although Pack had some qualities, your forgetting to mention the ndgitives.

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1 minute ago, Up The City! said:

Wasn't yesterday one of those games?

Although Pack had some qualities, your forgetting to mention the ndgitives.

Maybe not yesterday, but against sides which overall are a bit stronger than ours or require a midfield battle - he will be missed.

Of course he had weaknesses, he wouldn't be playing in this league if he didn't. Overall, he was a positive influence on the squad. I can understand the sale, but he was an important part of the team. 

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4 hours ago, JonDolman said:

wondering. Now he has gone, are most glad we sold him and got what we did or will get? Or would they have kept him?

In the context of getting up to £4m (or thereabouts, allegedly) for Pack and investing in Nagy and Massengo I think it’s good business. Pack was an absolute legend for us for all he achieved here but everyone’s time is up at some point or another and if he’s gone on a 3yr deal on better money and secures a brighter future for his family then who can blame us or him? 

MOTM yesterday for cardiff too. And Nagy arguably the same for us. Bonnet de douche, Rodney. 

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Massive part of our recent success . Great move for him and his family . Not suprised  he has gone tbh . A chance to freshen things up in the centre mid . 

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11 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Possibly 

i didn’t think he was the future , moving forward, and exposed in Leeds game

Sounding to LJs pre match it sounded like he didn’t want to lose him

It would have been interesting to have seen him with Nagy & JB

Have a feeling MP was happy to go and I don’t believe that it was a sudden deadline day move by Warnock

Id be surprised if ex Cotterill teammates didn’t have a hand in a couple of ‘ sounding out ‘ players and transfers  this summer

 

I am convinced that yet again Cardiff have used their geographical position to sign one of our players.

Maybe the signs were on the wall that Marlon wasn’t going to be such an easy fit into the style we are now converting to in the hope of taking a step upwards? So what does he do if he still wants to play Championship football and live in his current house? The choice of a move and easy travel is limited. The added bonus is that his best mate plays for Cardiff and he could also have the experiences of ex team mates Bobby & Greg to think about, both now departed Cardiff for now. 

Pack got a good deal and signing on fee I expect,  stays in the Championship and doesn’t have to move house. He will probably get more games than he would here too with our new signings. No brainer move for him. 

Also we are building for the Premier League, so we are led to believe I think. Will Marlon play there in the future? 

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1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Maybe not yesterday, but against sides which overall are a bit stronger than ours or require a midfield battle - he will be missed.

Of course he had weaknesses, he wouldn't be playing in this league if he didn't. Overall, he was a positive influence on the squad. I can understand the sale, but he was an important part of the team. 

I understand what your saying, but I do think Yesterdays game was exactly where we would miss him and his experience and influence, one nil down away from home.

Personally, against Leeds, he was shite. 

I think if you want to be a mid table/ top 6/10 side then he's a reliable player to have, like Cole Skuse he will give you a 7 each game. But if you want to push to the next level then he isn't your man as he will rarely get above a 7.

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9 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Did I get players mixed up yesterday or did MP lose his man for the Luton goal?

No. Pack was going to win the header, but Morrison (his own teammate) bundles into him and tripped him 

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9 hours ago, Xiled said:

I think LJ trusts Korey - in his teams at Oldham and City. The main concern is, of course, fitness and staying injury free. The Korey Smith that played last season looked every bit the player we need to support the new midfielders.

I actually wonder if Nagy is Pack’s replacement and HNM Korey’s. No space for sentiment. 

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5 hours ago, Up The City! said:

Wasn't yesterday one of those games?

Although Pack had some qualities, your forgetting to mention the ndgitives.

Think that should read nagytives!

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