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cityexile

Reflections on the window...one of our best ever?

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1 minute ago, cityexile said:

All got overshadowed by the young lad from Arsenal, but at the end of it:

-   Kalas, DaSilva, Palmer all ours:

-   Bristol City signing players from some of the top European clubs (I know, who would have though it on a cold day at Chesterfield):

-   Also spent best part of £8m on a kid who looks like they might be quite decent.

-   Looked like we were going to get no striker, then wham, a half decent one at the last moment.

Overall rating B+. A shame on the one we missed, but we got loads.

Huge contracts to MA, LJ and SL. Must be knackered. Go and have a half of cider and relax for a bit!

 

Agreed but be prepared to be bombarded by all those who are going to send their cv to Steve because they could make a better job of it.

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I agree - transformational...but leaves us as a club in transition I feel. Which could be tough and things may take time to settle.

For all the excitement on days like today, and all the over-excited comment and speculation, City fans have been very patient over the years...feels to me as though more patience is needed.

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I agree, generally. I think only during the course of the season, will we be able to tell how good (or otherwise) the window has been for us. 

If the new foreign lads settle quickly, in could indeed have been one of our best. 

If Afobe gets fit, sharp & in form, he’s a great addition. 

If Wright and/or Baker stay fit, then hopefully Webster won’t be too massively missed. 

Its going to be interesting...? 🤞

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Just posted this in another thread... Brilliant window and no doubt that we have a stronger squad this season than last so LJ did exactly what he said.

Great job to all involved. 

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Just now, pigeon said:

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Just posted this in another thread... Brilliant window and no doubt that we have a stronger squad this season than last so LJ did exactly what he said.

Great job to all involved. 

Mental. I don't recognise this team at all! If you throw Szmodics in there as well, it's a completely unrecognisable side to that of two months ago. I have no idea how good this side is; it will take a while to gel given the late additions.

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Just now, Coppello said:

Mental. I don't recognise this team at all! If you throw Szmodics in there as well, it's a completely unrecognisable side to that of two months ago. I have no idea how good this side is; it will take a while to gel given the late additions.

I forgot about Tommy Rowe as well! He looked sharp in the bits I saw from pre-season so another string to our bow

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1 minute ago, Red Exile said:

I agree - transformational...but leaves us as a club in transition I feel. Which could be tough and things may take time to settle.

For all the excitement on days like today, and all the over-excited comment and speculation, City fans have been very patient over the years...feels to me as though more patience is needed.

We have been quietly fairly ruthless I think. In particular I reckon LJ concluded that his midfield was not able to deliver either in defence or attack.

We look stronger in both ways imo. Players will take time to settle but I see this as a positive development.

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It's been positive in terms of getting players in but made a mockery of pre-season training and tactical planning.

Fear the next few games are going to be a bit disjointed

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What I don’t quite understand is that I thought the idea was gradual progress season on season, introducing home grown youngsters along the way.  How does signing twelve new players fit with that?  Presumably an awful lot of young players will have to go out on loan to make space for them, but I’m a little disappointed that we appear to have moved into a  zone where players like Morrell, who I really rate, are not given the chance to show what they can do.  Oh well, welcome to the new world I suppose.  This does feel like a quantum shift for the club though.

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3 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

It's been positive in terms of getting players in but made a mockery of pre-season training and tactical planning.

Fear the next few games are going to be a bit disjointed

That is an inevitable consequence of having a fixed transfer window. If I was the manager of a club I would absolutely hate it as you can't really start work until the window has closed.

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Fantastic window imo...

Afobe is proven and a changed player this season by all accounts. Back to his best hopefully.

The Nketiah saga has overshadowed everything...no one knows how he will play in the Championship...could work out a complete flop in this league.

All three of the foreign lads look like quality signings. Faster, more technical, good engines...good footballing brains.

The Pack sale was good too...think he's past his best. Looks too slow now.

Szmodicks is exciting and has quality.

DaSilva, Kalas...top draw.

My only 'meh' signing is Palmer.

Needs so much work on his all round game imo.

Bentley a quality Keeper with great distribution.

Only downside, is we've got so many players that won't even make the bench.

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16 minutes ago, pigeon said:

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Just posted this in another thread... Brilliant window and no doubt that we have a stronger squad this season than last so LJ did exactly what he said.

Great job to all involved. 

Nagy and Massengo would swap 

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Suspect it’s been quite a tough window for those involved at the club due to the high turnover and difficulty finding that forward. A few more grey hairs all round.

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On balance a positive window, but I share some others’ concerns about the effect of revolution not evolution,as this seems what it is.we could have half anew team against Brum. I fear that it will take us a while to gel, but longer term it’s probably positive.

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2 minutes ago, spudski said:

Fantastic window imo...

Afobe is proven and a changed player this season by all accounts. Back to his best hopefully.

The Nketiah saga has overshadowed everything...no one knows how he will play in the Championship...could work out a complete flop in this league.

All three of the foreign lads look like quality signings. Faster, more technical, good engines...good footballing brains.

The Pack sale was good too...think he's past his best. Looks too slow now.

Szmodicks is exciting and has quality.

DaSilva, Kalas...top draw.

My only 'meh' signing is Palmer.

Needs so much work on his all round game imo.

Bentley a quality Keeper with great distribution.

Only downside, is we've got so many players that won't even make the bench.

Spud, agree with most of this especially the description of the players.

My only concern, and it is only that at this stage as I’ve not seen a lot of the newbies play, is that we don’t have that experienced head to put their foot on the ball and ‘calm’ things down when we may need too. Most of the new guys, especially in midfield, are youngsters...we could maybe do with a bit of experience just to take the sting out of the game now and again.

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2 minutes ago, RedEyez said:

Nagy and Massengo would swap 

You're relentless mate 😂

Thought we'd been over this, he's primarily a CDM based on his previous experience. However, does seem he have the ability to play in pretty much any central role so you might be right, LJ could move him forward.

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17 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

It's been positive in terms of getting players in but made a mockery of pre-season training and tactical planning.

Fear the next few games are going to be a bit disjointed

That is entirely fair, it does feel like a whole new team, and LJ can be a bit of a tinker at the best of times. Question will be how quickly can he shape them in to a side.

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Crying out for a striker for 12 months and end up with another cart house who doesn’t suite our style of play .

Not enough goals in the team so for me it’s been a bit of a let down.

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7 minutes ago, RedEyez said:

Nagy and Massengo would swap 

yep - and that's where Nagy will then play I reckon - will make that position his own.

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Very good overall.

Happy with Afobe. Would've preferred Reid but if we can get him on form Afobe will be really good I think.

Slightly concerned we didn't replace Webster, but Baker and Wright should be good enough alongside Kalas until January where we could potentially revisit.

If the rumoured Pack fee (750k) is true, that seems a bit of an unnecessary sale. 

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7 minutes ago, WestonRobin said:

Spud, agree with most of this especially the description of the players.

My only concern, and it is only that at this stage as I’ve not seen a lot of the newbies play, is that we don’t have that experienced head to put their foot on the ball and ‘calm’ things down when we may need too. Most of the new guys, especially in midfield, are youngsters...we could maybe do with a bit of experience just to take the sting out of the game now and again.

could we build the side around Kalas? Took the armband in one of the preseason matches unless I'm wrong...admittedly it was match in which everyone played.

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8 minutes ago, WestonRobin said:

Spud, agree with most of this especially the description of the players.

My only concern, and it is only that at this stage as I’ve not seen a lot of the newbies play, is that we don’t have that experienced head to put their foot on the ball and ‘calm’ things down when we may need too. Most of the new guys, especially in midfield, are youngsters...we could maybe do with a bit of experience just to take the sting out of the game now and again.

It'll definitely be exciting seeing how this new team develops.

I'm guessing MA will be working overtime now to off load some in January.

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Easily the best transfer window....the players we have signed is a mix of proven class but also still have potential to improve and also some hot prospects we shouldn’t even be in the running for. We’ve made a ridiculous amount of profit on players sold which Ashton should be given a knighthood for....I  think we all would of like that striker. But sometimes things don’t go to plan. The Eddie deal was months of effort that almost worked but sadly things happened which they had no control of..

 

some of of the negative comments online from city fans have been cringeworthy and reminds you how lucky you are that you didn’t grow up to be like them .

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Ok so we didn't get Eddie but long term he was never going to be ours. Afobe is still only 26 & if we get him back to his best we may find we have unearthed a bargain come next season when otherwise the search would start all over again. Afobe & Semenyo could be explosive to say the least! 

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6 minutes ago, funky monkey said:

Easily the best transfer window....the players we have signed is a mix of proven class but also still have potential to improve and also some hot prospects we shouldn’t even be in the running for. We’ve made a ridiculous amount of profit on players sold which Ashton should be given a knighthood for....I  think we all would of like that striker. But sometimes things don’t go to plan. The Eddie deal was months of effort that almost worked but sadly things happened which they had no control of..

 

some of of the negative comments online from city fans have been cringeworthy and reminds you how lucky you are that you didn’t grow up to be like them .

What, better than the summer before the promotion season?  I certainly hope so, but that was some window...

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My reflections are

@Knighty has a mate

@Kid in the Riot is the only one on here really in the know

the roof is now the most exciting place in the ground

we have been linked to 275 strikers and got one in with 2mins to spare

it is no point looking at the transfer forum as until it is on official site it’s pointless

probably the most exciting summer of transfers we have ever had!!

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Good window but because we had the loans last season it might be harder to see that we've got better in most departments.

Bentley is likely to be an upgrade on Fielding.  Maenpaa backup still and Gilmartin likely here for coaching more than anything.

Right back Pereira may well be ahead of Hunt and Wright is cover.

Centre back - losing Webster was a blow but hard to avoid, signing Kalas was a coup.  If Moore emerges we still have competent competition in Baker and Wright.

Left back Dasilva is better now than Kelly though Kelly may have a higher ceiling - again hard to avoid selling him.

Central midfield looks much better as long as Nagy and Massengo are as good as reputations.  Rowe looks steady and covers left back too.  We've still got Brownhill, Pack maybe? and Smith to return from injury.

Wide looks a little light with just Elliasson and O'Dowda as natural wingers.  Perhaps now there's an opportunity to get O'Dowda back on the same page.

For attacking midfield / in behind we have a few choices in Palmer, Paterson, Szmodics.

Up front we've added Afobe, and Semenyo will be considered alongside Diedhiou, Weimann and Taylor.  We've lost that lad who never played.

The downside is the squad is quite heavy though - we might see some of Watkins, Taylor, Adelakun, Bakinson and Walsh leave on loan or perm (think they can move to league one still?).

Even the most pessimistic would have a hard time saying it's not a stronger squad and first XI.  The emphasis now is on the coach to turn it into a style that we enjoy and is successful.

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7 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

What, better than the summer before the promotion season?  I certainly hope so, but that was some window...

I was thinking about that window....I thought this one trumped it due to higher level of signings.

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13 minutes ago, funky monkey said:

Easily the best transfer window....the players we have signed is a mix of proven class but also still have potential to improve and also some hot prospects we shouldn’t even be in the running for. We’ve made a ridiculous amount of profit on players sold which Ashton should be given a knighthood for....I  think we all would of like that striker. But sometimes things don’t go to plan. The Eddie deal was months of effort that almost worked but sadly things happened which they had no control of..

 

some of of the negative comments online from city fans have been cringeworthy and reminds you how lucky you are that you didn’t grow up to be like them .

An unbelievable transfer window I agree. But I'd bet that most of the negative comments will be forgotten or retracted if things click. Heat of the moment and all that. I find it all very amusing. Such a shame if it divides the fan base. We all want City to succeed.

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44 minutes ago, Coppello said:

Mental. I don't recognise this team at all! If you throw Szmodics in there as well, it's a completely unrecognisable side to that of two months ago. I have no idea how good this side is; it will take a while to gel given the late additions.

Well I can’t wait to see how much our style will change. The amount of technical ability, pace and power is definitely an upgrade on last season but they need to gel pretty damn quickly 

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4 minutes ago, Nibor said:

Good window but because we had the loans last season it might be harder to see that we've got better in most departments.

Bentley is likely to be an upgrade on Fielding.  Maenpaa backup still and Gilmartin likely here for coaching more than anything.

Right back Pereira may well be ahead of Hunt and Wright is cover.

Centre back - losing Webster was a blow but hard to avoid, signing Kalas was a coup.  If Moore emerges we still have competent competition in Baker and Wright.

Left back Dasilva is better now than Kelly though Kelly may have a higher ceiling - again hard to avoid selling him.

Central midfield looks much better as long as Nagy and Massengo are as good as reputations.  Rowe looks steady and covers left back too.  We've still got Brownhill, Pack maybe? and Smith to return from injury.

Wide looks a little light with just Elliasson and O'Dowda as natural wingers.  Perhaps now there's an opportunity to get O'Dowda back on the same page.

For attacking midfield / in behind we have a few choices in Palmer, Paterson, Szmodics.

Up front we've added Afobe, and Semenyo will be considered alongside Diedhiou, Weimann and Taylor.  We've lost that lad who never played.

The downside is the squad is quite heavy though - we might see some of Watkins, Taylor, Adelakun, Bakinson and Walsh leave on loan or perm (think they can move to league one still?).

Even the most pessimistic would have a hard time saying it's not a stronger squad and first XI.  The emphasis now is on the coach to turn it into a style that we enjoy and is successful.

Patterson gone to derby on loan for the season

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Would prefer Semenyo to O'Dowda simply due to the fact he's liekly to be here longer, and being blunt is more physical. Nagy would be defensive alongside him to help out in that regard. Swap Brownhill in perhaps to slowly introduce Massengo to the Championship. As other mention, Nagy is more defensive than Massengo imo, but both give us a platform with Noah acting more as a DLP. Semenyo and Eliasson can both tuck inside on their stronger feet, meaning DaSilva and Perreira have room to overlap to create an overload on either side.

Can only wait and see, it's LJ after all.

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10 minutes ago, loslobos said:

Patterson gone to derby on loan for the season

Yeah, whilst I was writing.  Seems sensible given we have lots of competition for that slot.

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1 minute ago, Fuber said:

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Would prefer Semenyo to O'Dowda simply due to the fact he's liekly to be here longer, and being blunt is more physical. Nagy would be defensive alongside him to help out in that regard. Swap Brownhill in perhaps to slowly introduce Massengo to the Championship. As other mention, Nagy is more defensive than Massengo imo, but both give us a platform with Noah acting more as a DLP. Semenyo and Eliasson can both tuck inside on their stronger feet, meaning DaSilva and Perreira have room to overlap to create an overload on either side.

Can only wait and see, it's LJ after all.

Why would we play Semenyo wide?  He's a striker isn't he?

I think O'Dowda will play but also worth remembering that Rowe can do that role and with Dasilva overlapping we might be better with a midfielder rather than a winger there particularly if we're playing two up top.

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22 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

What, better than the summer before the promotion season?  I certainly hope so, but that was some window...

The difference then was that we had the biggest budget in the division and were a draw for the players we wanted.

We're in a much more competitive field now. Even if we are able to offer the same fee and wages for a player if a bigger club comes in we are likely to lose out.

Not that some of fans can grasp that mind you.

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Revolution. Core squad from 17-18 and 18-19 gone (key players like Reid, Flint, Paterson, Webster, Bryan, Fielding and Pack). Expect we are on a new 3 year cycle with auto the aim. Expect a bumpy first 4 months.

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11 minutes ago, Nibor said:

Why would we play Semenyo wide?  He's a striker isn't he?

I think O'Dowda will play but also worth remembering that Rowe can do that role and with Dasilva overlapping we might be better with a midfielder rather than a winger there particularly if we're playing two up top.

Played wide with Newport faily often, which is why his Goal return on paper was not fantastic. Think it was specifically Leicester in the cup that he played wide left, and switched flanks with Robbie Wilmott? - Who went onto get the assist for the Jamille Matt goal, peach of a cross - Wilmott that is.

Semenyo was against Simpson (?) feel free to correct me, and ended that man's career so badly he got released.
 

Edit - found the quote regardin Keown;

"In front of the BBC cameras, Newport's Antoine Semenyo showed he is a star in the making,” wrote Keown in his Daily Mail column.

“The forward impressed me with everything he did against Leicester.

“He took on a Premier League-winning right-back in Danny Simpson and gave him a torrid time. Such were the problems Semenyo caused him that Claude Puel took him off after an hour."

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1 minute ago, Fuber said:

Played wide with Newport faily often, which is why his Goal return on paper was not fantastic. Think it was specifically Leicester in the cup that he played wide left, and switched flanks with Robbie Wilmott? - Who went onto get the assist for the Jamille Matt goal, peach of a cross - Wilmott that is.

Semenyo was against Simpson (?) feel free to correct me, and ended that man's career so badly he got released.

Fair enough, you know more about him than me.  If he's a good winger that's welcome news to me, it's probably the only place we're a bit light.

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Excellent window, which perhaps ended a bit overshadowed by the En saga.

If at the end of last season we thought we would get all 3 Chelski lads in exchange for Lloyd Kelly, then I think we would all have bitten someone's hand off 

Add to this what is a very good keeper, a couple of seasoned pros, and some young lads touted as some of the best in Europe in midfield

With Benik only being a loan I think was a smart move and hopefully can get back to best with a point to prove.

The fans may have to be patient, as integrating this many new players will take some time and possible short term pain

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Just now, Nibor said:

Fair enough, you know more about him than me.  If he's a good winger that's welcome news to me, it's probably the only place we're a bit light.

Don't get me wrong Nibor, primarily a striker, but with Afobe, Deidhiou, and Weimann, he's more likely - imo - to get game time in front of Callum.

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