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Denbury Red

Where’s the Team leadership now Marlon has gone?

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With Marlon leaving for a pittance - and numerous new faces in midfield - where is our team Leadership going to come from until Korey returns (hopefully) in January. 

Seems a strange decision to let Marlon go now before the new players have bedded in!

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1 minute ago, Denbury Red said:

With Marlon leaving for a pittance - and numerous new faces in midfield - where is our team Leadership going to come from until Korey returns (hopefully) in January. 

Seems a strange decision to let Marlon go now before the new players have bedded in!

Kalas .

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I’m worried about this too. Marlon wasn’t at his best last season and had become a bit of a scapegoat for many fans but he was a big character around the squad. Paterson was also. Guys like this, despite maybe not firing on all cylinders on the pitch, can lift a dressing room.

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Well we have certainly had a delivery of some building materials, who knows how many will fit in to what we are building though.....off you go then Lee.....you do now the season has started though don't you?

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Kalas, Weimann, Rowe.

And please, nobody actually knows the fee so let's stop believing what some random cardiff teenager made up on twitter.

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Bed wetters out in force tonight. I am sure we will cope, time for the next generation to step up, Taylor Moore, Nagy, Brownhill, Kalas, Afobe.

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Hang on, people have been saying for at least two seasons that we had no leaders and Pack has been getting regular stick for his performances but the minute he goes he is the lost leader. 

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Why can't the new players have character and be an influence? If you watch the Nagy interview he might come in and be a far better leader on the pitch than Marlon. He seems to be a footballers footballer with the way he thinks of the game.

We still have Wright who is club captain, Brownhill and O'Dowda (currently) are apparently loud in the dressing room.

Moving on these players might be the rocket forward we need as it had got stale/comfortable. Like when we sold Reid, Flint and Bryan, but improved.

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11 minutes ago, Denbury Red said:

With Marlon leaving for a pittance - and numerous new faces in midfield - where is our team Leadership going to come from until Korey returns (hopefully) in January. 

Seems a strange decision to let Marlon go now before the new players have bedded in!

Kalas

smith

moore

wright

brownhill

shall I continue?

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3 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Hang on, people have been saying for at least two seasons that we had no leaders and Pack has been getting regular stick for his performances but the minute he goes he is the lost leader. 

No. He was a loss leader. One of the many talented first-team regulars that were part of the comfortable brigade. He needed a fresh challenge because he was only going to stagnate at City. He'll have to be far braver under Warnock or be looking for another club come May.

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Teams change, Teams evolve... to be competitive you can't be complacent... LJ  said we would have a bold summer and we have. Who knows the next crop of leaders in the dressing room may be ready and waiting for their chance... Changing rooms have hierarchies. Patience is a virtue and people will step up i'm sure! 

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Wright, Smith, Kalas, Moore, Rowe, Gilmartin, Weimann. I'm sure Dasilva is as a good leader as well.

Basically, they'll all look after each other.

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We have plenty of leadership potential In the squad and I’d take an improvement in technical ability over leadership all day long. 

There is no loyalty in football and Pack going to Cardiff shows how quickly he’s moved on, we as fans should say thanks for your efforts Marlon and do the same..move on and support the next generation!

 

 

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32 minutes ago, grifty said:

Why can't the new players have character and be an influence? If you watch the Nagy interview he might come in and be a far better leader on the pitch than Marlon. He seems to be a footballers footballer with the way he thinks of the game.

We still have Wright who is club captain, Brownhill and O'Dowda (currently) are apparently loud in the dressing room.

Moving on these players might be the rocket forward we need as it had got stale/comfortable. Like when we sold Reid, Flint and Bryan, but improved.

This for me.. i get this gut feeling that Nagy will be a big player for us

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Never saw all that much evidence of leadership on the pitch from Pack. 

Personally I’m excited by the new blood. Sometimes a player can be at a club too long and it goes a bit south. Player naturally gets into a complacent state and fans naturally get frustrated. 

A new injection of enthusiasm is welcome, especially considering we now have replaced with perhaps more technical players. 

Kalas is the obvious choice for leadership IMO. 

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Pack wasn’t a leader on the pitch in my opinion, he didn’t lead by example and that is why the club have shipped him out 

Nagy or Kalas are capable as they are internationals for their countries. They know what is required from their team mates to play at the highest level and both have that steely look and determination to succeed 

Marlon was coasting a bit and needed a change in my opinion and to get £750k for him was a bonus 

Time for the new faces to take the others left to a new level - can’t wait to see how we play and the formation 

Could be a new dawn or the start of a nightmare!!

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2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

You could alternatively ask “where was the team leadership in the last ten games of last season when we literally blew a play off spot?”.

Hear hear. We were a team of shrinking violets when the pressure was on. Leadership me arse. 

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Pack for me was never a leader.  Always seemed a joker in the dressing room.  I'm not sure he could bring a player down a peg or 2 if needed.  Kalas for me is a natural leader and expect him to take over the reins.

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41 minutes ago, grifty said:

Why can't the new players have character and be an influence? If you watch the Nagy interview he might come in and be a far better leader on the pitch than Marlon. He seems to be a footballers footballer with the way he thinks of the game.

We still have Wright who is club captain, Brownhill and O'Dowda (currently) are apparently loud in the dressing room.

Moving on these players might be the rocket forward we need as it had got stale/comfortable. Like when we sold Reid, Flint and Bryan, but improved.

The players may have character and influence but they also lack experience and time in a City shirt. Instead of Leaders think of cultural architects - Players who understand what the coach wants and carries out the tasks he wants. You cannot get that from a player with no training hours behind them, no matches. It takes time, this is a point Mr Johnson has made himself. 

City are now a team in transition yet again minus an experienced and trusted player. Its a bold move, a gamble. 

 

 

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Ive always liked Pack and could see every time he didnt play how integral he was to our style. 

However, this is for the best. Hopefully we now have pedigree of internationals and up and coming talent to transform our midfield. Its the midfield that has cost us the last two seasons with lack of cover and reliance on Pack and Brownhill. This could be a new lease of life for Brownhill too with the Pack-shacklesthat held him back, by adding quality alongside him. 

Heres hoping for quicker passing through midfield rather than the ponderous Pack game. 

Definitely somewhat of a gamble but the only big gamble i feel we’ve made is to not replace Webster. 

But hey, we are some £12m up on transfer fees over the summer so SL will be happier with the bank balance. 

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"We're now looking at players who can push us on up the league, and potentially play in the Premier League".

Not sure if that's the exact quote, but near as damn it what Johnson said a little while ago. Pack, although steady, does not have it in him to play at that next level. Football is a funny game, because what one person sees, the next doesn't. One will rate player a, one won't. Pack has divided opinion for ages. 

Although he was never the worse player on the pitch, we're looking at going in a different direction, and he obviously wasn't a part of that.

A bold transfer window. Selling Pack and potentially Paterson, along with Webster and Kelly, whilst bringing in potentially/hopefully higher calibre players albeit from abroad. I'd say that was bold.

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What Bristol City will miss in today’s Marlon Pack..   

His presence around the club.. involvement in the City community....he was a focal figure amongst his team mates as a friend 

however I don’t believe he is a natural leader on the pitch and his football has gone a bit stale! 

This is a time to move on from sentiment and relish what’s new 

COYR

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Really need our new signings to hit the ground the running, I think we will need to have a lot of patience up to the first international break. A lot of the new lads will have had no pre season with us and given their seasons weren't going to be starting for a few weeks could be off the pace in terms of fitness.

We are going to need to stick with it and hope thhe like of Nagy, Massengo, Pereira and Afobe adapt quickly.

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1 hour ago, Denbury Red said:

With Marlon leaving for a pittance - and numerous new faces in midfield - where is our team Leadership going to come from until Korey returns (hopefully) in January. 

Seems a strange decision to let Marlon go now before the new players have bedded in!

Sorry can you point me in the direction where its stated how much we got for him? thanks

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1 hour ago, petehinton said:

LJ has said there’s no real leaders in the team apparently. So sells his vice captain 

So, when he said there were no leaders, that included Pack. So we don't lose a leader by selling him.

I don't argue that we need a leader, but Pack wasn't that. Maybe one of the new guys will be. Afobe? 

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1 hour ago, Denbury Red said:

With Marlon leaving for a pittance - and numerous new faces in midfield - where is our team Leadership going to come from until Korey returns (hopefully) in January. 

Seems a strange decision to let Marlon go now before the new players have bedded in!

Don't tell me you believe the 750k bullshit ? Apparently, the Cardiff offer was too good to refuse.

But I agree that his experience will be missed.

 

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3 minutes ago, myol'man said:

Cardiff are building their team around our League 1 squad 🤣

Thing is, we've got the best out of those players - Flint and Pack aren't going to improve.

Although Colin may get Flinty scoring again.

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1 hour ago, WesM said:

Kalas is the natural choice for me too.

Watching Sunday's game, Moore was showing more leadership than Kalas. Was made captain for a part of one of the friendlies.  Says something about what LJ thinks about him..

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14 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said:

Really need our new signings to hit the ground the running, I think we will need to have a lot of patience up to the first international break. A lot of the new lads will have had no pre season with us and given their seasons weren't going to be starting for a few weeks could be off the pace in terms of fitness.

We are going to need to stick with it and hope thhe like of Nagy, Massengo, Pereira and Afobe adapt quickly.

Given the way we performed on Sunday, I would think they will be right on the pace! 

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6 minutes ago, The Bard said:

Watching Sunday's game, Moore was showing more leadership than Kalas. Was made captain for a part of one of the friendlies.  Says something about what LJ thinks about him..

Moore properly took responsibility on Sunday. He could have played within his shell and tried to avoid mistakes but instead he went on marauding runs out of defence and tried to boss the game. He made mistakes but there was a lot of raw material and he looked a very different player than the one who left for Southend.

Pack is a loss for sure but, if I was being a bit brutal, I’d say he was someone who usually played almost exactly as well or as badly as the team as a whole played. That is a skill in itself and showed he was central to us in many ways but I struggle to think of times he shone in bad performances or took games by the scruff of the neck. I think we will miss him in many regards but I am skeptical to the extent as to which leadership is one of them. 

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48 minutes ago, INCRED said:

Pack wasn’t a leader on the pitch in my opinion, he didn’t lead by example and that is why the club have shipped him out 

Nagy or Kalas are capable as they are internationals for their countries. They know what is required from their team mates to play at the highest level and both have that steely look and determination to succeed 

Marlon was coasting a bit and needed a change in my opinion and to get £750k for him was a bonus 

Time for the new faces to take the others left to a new level - can’t wait to see how we play and the formation 

Could be a new dawn or the start of a nightmare!!

There is more than one type of leader. One type may lead by example but good ones are rare. GJ didn't believe he had a natural leader including Louis Carey. Kalas may seem a natural leader to many on here but he may not have the attributes or the desire for such a role, Flint never seemed to want it. Others may lead through respect. That respect may come from their abilities, their experience, their intelligence or a combination of those. 

The most natural leader to me at the club is Bailey Wright but there are doubts about his game time. Tommy Rowe is in the same boat. Korey Smith is another, but he's out until January at least. He's young but I might give it to Josh. If he does well this season and sticks around don't be surprised if Taylor Moore is a future City captain. He did wear the armband once in pre-season. 

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1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

He just had to tap his head ...

 

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The chap on the left must be due his telegram from the Queen any time soon surely?

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