Baldyman Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 I really didn’t expect the entire squad to be ripped up and started again this window that’s for sure ! Huge gamble really and could send us in either direction ? The question is whether this was LJ’s choice or MA’s choice to force LJ’s hand and change his philosophy perhaps ? Who knows ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, Baldyman said: I really didn’t expect the entire squad to be ripped up and started again this window that’s for sure ! Huge gamble really and could send us in either direction ? The question is whether this was LJ’s choice or MA’s choice to force LJ’s hand and change his philosophy perhaps ? Who knows ? But boy it’s exciting to see what happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Ok, fair enough. Clearly the signings of Nagy and the french lad left us with a surfeit of midfielders so if Cardiff came knocking for Pack, he was likely to go for a decent fee. Indeed. But I would go a step further and say it is strange that, in the last hour of the transfer window, Cardiff suddenly decided to enquire about the captain of their rivals. It is a last minute scramble to sign players at that point so I don’t believe Cardiff would have made a bid unless they had been discreetly informed we would be minded to accept it if they did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 With Pato and his able deputy Pack gone, who will be the new scapegoat? My money's on Fammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, glos old boy said: His dad brought in players from all over the world as a last gasp, you`re not telling me that this vast transfer window "exchange" was planned otherwise the point of pre season was? The much hyped "number 9" was certainly not our first or second choice and was certainly a last gasp/face saving signing. Last minute off loadings well, really? did they leave or were they pushed ? Pack dominated the best club in this country, not so long ago now is "over the hill" Its natural for us to think our imports are great and our exports aren't needed/past there sell by dates and what we have now is better...really....quite a few of our signings have never been heard of before they came here. So over to you then LJ pre-season starts now...oh wait a minute the season has...good luck with that then. I haven’t got any likes left today, but this post deserves one I’m honestly not sure if LJ knows what his own plans are. I keep saying it, but he constantly complains of no leaders in the team, then gets rid of any we have. Whilst signing obviously good players is good, we also know that the Championship is an unforgiving league where experience of the league is vital, especially in central midfield. Has he signed any real experience in that area? Ive never known our club turn around a squad so often, it’s constant change. Just when is our coach going to coach players into what he wants from them, rather than just selling and buying and hoping the next one is the correct one. We were told that it would take 3-4 transfer windows for him to get what he wanted, so why hasn’t he now got a settled squad, with a settled formation and a settled way of playing?. I for one haven’t got a clue how we will line up and what our tactical master plan will be this week, the same as I’m still trying to figure out what the plan was for Leeds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: Strange. I could have told them what they needed to know on that front during last season. Why would it take the Palace and Leeds games I wonder? My assumption is the belief up to that point was the squad- plus the loanees and a new striker and goalkeeper - would be good enough to replicate our best form last season and that all we needed to do was adjust around the edges. My hypothesis was the Palace game was a complete shock. It was our final friendly and we did not compete. However one game is easy to dismiss as an aberration and I imagine LJ would have been confident we would still turn it on against Leeds. I think our performance on Sunday proved it wasn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The chief Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Given how in previous Jan windows we have been hugely reluctant to go for it, this represents a massive change of approach! It’s ballsy alright, but I guess the fees we’ve received this summer, esp Webster have created an opportunity. Big job for Lee and team to integrate the new players, so we could see yet more losing and winning runs, but we’ve invested in a lot of talent and gone for an overhaul as opposed to a tweak. We were so close last season to play offs, but conversely also some way off the top teams. I can’t wait to see what this new lot can achieve. Good we have a cup game next week too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Monkeh said: Pre-season is about fitness right? so do you really believe that every player we have brought has not had a pre-season at their club? is it only players not on the transfer list are aloud to train? Fitness and coaching of playing style , formations, team bonding, other than that what had preseason ever done for us ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: My assumption is the belief up to that point was the squad- plus the loanees and a new striker and goalkeeper - would be good enough to replicate our best form last season and that all we needed to do was adjust around the edges. My hypothesis was the Palace game was a complete shock. It was our final friendly and we did not compete. However one game is easy to dismiss as an aberration and I imagine LJ would have been confident we would still turn it on against Leeds. I think our performance on Sunday proved it wasn’t. Truth is that FGR outplayed us for periods of our friendly against them, much better organised. What got us back into the game was a stroke of good fortune with a deflection and what appeared to be our superior fitness. Didn't LJ say something afterwards about jet-lag, and then about heads not being right? The Palace match was a bit of a fiasco - the only home friendly and get tanked. But it shouldn't have come as that much of a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Crikey, does anyone want to try and 2nd guess the team for Saturday? -----------------------------------------------------------Bentley Hunt / Pereira------------------Kalas----------------------------Moore / Baker--------------------Dasilva __________________________________Nagy (asking a lot IMHO) ------------------------------Brownhill------------Palmer /Massengo----------------------Eliasson ----------------------------------------Diedhou-------------------Afobe Man, that's a lot of new players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 29 minutes ago, Baldyman said: I really didn’t expect the entire squad to be ripped up and started again this window that’s for sure ! Huge gamble really and could send us in either direction ? The question is whether this was LJ’s choice or MA’s choice to force LJ’s hand and change his philosophy perhaps ? Who knows ? I think the answer lies in too many disappointments and near misses with the squad we had . I am delighted that the club have seen what we have seen ; that certain players weren’t quite up to the level where we want to go and never would be . Pato , on his day , a brilliant, unstoppable player. His days weren’t frequent enough for the Championship let alone if and when we go up . Fielding , lovely bloke , consumate pro , and a good shot stopper . Start adding injuries into his wayward kicking and lack of authority in his penalty area = look for improvement. Pack, Mr Dependable, top bloke , not reactive enough to the opposition press and too slow with his distribution = we can do better. The list goes on . We loved these players and for me they will always hold a special place in my heart for the double winning season they gave us however life goes on and the new boys will write the next chapter in our history. The players are monitored constantly by the club and hard facts rule over any sentimental judgments . It would have been a collective decision as to who left and who comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonburyRed Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 With so many new players I just worry our 'pre-season' will be taking place in August & September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicki's soulmate Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 9 hours ago, Lucan said: I’ll be honest, I think this season could go badly wrong or so very right. Nervous... Sticking your neck out a bit there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 38 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Indeed. But I would go a step further and say it is strange that, in the last hour of the transfer window, Cardiff suddenly decided to enquire about the captain of their rivals. It is a last minute scramble to sign players at that point so I don’t believe Cardiff would have made a bid unless they had been discreetly informed we would be minded to accept it if they did... Or maybe they had made a tentative enquiry earlier and we had said yes, subject to us signing one or two players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 We all saw sunday that our team was far from good. I welcome the new players and am excited what they will bring. Take time to gel, but I think and hope we will have a good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: Crikey, does anyone want to try and 2nd guess the team for Saturday? -----------------------------------------------------------Bentley Hunt / Pereira------------------Kalas----------------------------Moore / Baker--------------------Dasilva __________________________________Nagy (asking a lot IMHO) ------------------------------Brownhill------------Palmer /Massengo----------------------Eliasson ----------------------------------------Diedhou-------------------Afobe Man, that's a lot of new players! I think he has to play Brownhill in the holding role for this one, even if it is a short term fix while Nagy gets up to speed. Maybe: Bentley Pereira Kalas Moore Dasilva Brownhill Eliasson Palmer Massengo Weimann Diedhiou subs including Nagy, Afobe and Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 42 minutes ago, Red Exile said: Truth is that FGR outplayed us for periods of our friendly against them, much better organised. What got us back into the game was a stroke of good fortune with a deflection and what appeared to be our superior fitness. Didn't LJ say something afterwards about jet-lag, and then about heads not being right? The Palace match was a bit of a fiasco - the only home friendly and get tanked. But it shouldn't have come as that much of a surprise. I was almost going to include the FGR game too but absolutely. I think the assumption was everything was suddenly going to click at some point until it became clear it really wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Or maybe they had made a tentative enquiry earlier and we had said yes, subject to us signing one or two players... It's possible. I remain skeptical though. They were after another midfielder and the move for Pack seems to have come purely from leftfield. If I was a betting man, I'd say the idea came up during the conversations over Reid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 10 hours ago, ColeCiderRed said: Patience will be key. It's quite possible that LJ won't know his best team for a while. I'm still excited to see what the new boys can do. All of which I hope we all get behind. How about you @Robbored you looking forward to this season? Very likely the tombola is getting a wipe down & damn good spraying of WD40.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 35 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Very likely the tombola is getting a wipe down & damn good spraying of WD40.. Very true. With a whole new set of names going into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Robin Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Maybe too many incomings, especially considering that we did well last season, but time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Robert the bruce said: Very likely the tombola is getting a wipe down & damn good spraying of WD40.. Why the cynicism RB? Aren't you pleased that the revenue generated by the sale of Kelly and Webster has be reinvested into the playing squad? Its now up to LJ and his assistants to blend the new signings into a decent team and although it might take a while I’m sure they’ll be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipflopcity Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 OUR NEW TEAM An emerging CB NEW MIDFIELD A new Front Man. We have been for a long time useless and very slow in midfield, Marlon was a good servant but recently lost the quickness now needed in the championship. These Changes have been necessary since the start of Last Season so LJ's BOLD approach might just be what we need.I hope so, In MHO I don't think the protection to the defence has been up to scratch, AW made up for the short commings, Hopefully we have solved that, only time will tell. The strikers have not had the service in the correct areas to enable them to get shots away fast enough and often enough to score so fingers crossed our changes will make the difference. This is the best time to make these changes as the first 5 - 10 games are recoverable if it dosent work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Fitness and coaching of playing style , formations, team bonding, other than that what had preseason ever done for us ? Exposue to new markets in America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, soultrader said: Exposue to new markets in America? More about Bristol Sport than the football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: More about Bristol Sport than the football Whoosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 I don't think this will be the team / formation tomorrow, but a team i would like to see Bentley Kalas Moore Baker Hunt or Perreira DaSilva Brownhill Rowe or Nagy Palmer Weimann Afobe We played with 3 at the back against Derby pre-season, in the game that was washed out and that was the best i saw us play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 6 hours ago, glos old boy said: His dad brought in players from all over the world as a last gasp, you`re not telling me that this vast transfer window "exchange" was planned otherwise the point of pre season was? The much hyped "number 9" was certainly not our first or second choice and was certainly a last gasp/face saving signing. Last minute off loadings well, really? did they leave or were they pushed ? Pack dominated the best club in this country, not so long ago now is "over the hill" Its natural for us to think our imports are great and our exports aren't needed/past there sell by dates and what we have now is better...really....quite a few of our signings have never been heard of before they came here. So over to you then LJ pre-season starts now...oh wait a minute the season has...good luck with that then. Last grasp? Considering LJ said it would be a bold summer, and bold it certainly has been then I'd say there was a high level of planning that went into all of this, rather than being last grasp. Our number 1 target ****** us over at the last minute, I don't blame the lad but Arsenal I certainly do blame. Whilst BA wasn't our first choice, it's better to have him than no one right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Quite excited about the next home game now, wasn’t to optimistic about it after the Leeds debacle. Was looking forward more to trying the goat curry than the match itself. Now, can’t wait...COYRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: Packs distribution was shocking v Leeds Go on then, how many passes do you think he misplaced against Leeds? Against Leeds his job wasn't to play the balls forward, it was to intercept their passes and recycle the ball which he did, he only misplaced passes (bar a couple) when he looked to play long to the final 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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