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He does come with a classy reputation so a high pass completion rate would be par for course.

The issue I have with pass completion percentages is that they doesn’t give details on what type of passes they were. Two CBS could simply be passing 20yards sideways to each other any number of times. Does that count as a completed passes?

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12 minutes ago, Robbored said:

He does come with a classy reputation so a high pass completion rate would be par for course.

The issue I have with pass completion percentages is that they doesn’t give details on what type of passes they were. Two CBS could simply be passing 20yards sideways to each other any number of times. Does that count as a completed passes?

From match reports though it sounds like a good proportion of those were forward passes, transitioning play up the field towards Birmingham's box. I agree with what your saying, bit sometimes a player can sit in space and midfield, playing short simple passes and still control a game. It depends on the opposition, the tactics and the intent of those passes

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1 minute ago, chipdawg said:

From match reports though it sounds like a good proportion of those were forward passes, transitioning play up the field towards Birmingham's box. I agree with what your saying, bit sometimes a player can sit in space and midfield, playing short simple passes and still control a game. It depends on the opposition, the tactics and the intent of those passes

Yes was just going to point that out. Very few meaningless passes from Nagy. Impressive debut

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17 minutes ago, Robbored said:

He does come with a classy reputation so a high pass completion rate would be par for course.

The issue I have with pass completion percentages is that they doesn’t give details on what type of passes they were. Two CBS could simply be passing 20yards sideways to each other any number of times. Does that count as a completed passes?

@Davefevs posted a graph showing the passes, on the other Nagy thread. 

 

Didn't get to see any stream of the game yesterday but I’m looking forward to see him play next Saturday  

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The guy oozes class, the stat is slightly misleading in that a lot of the passes are short balls to the playmakers but what’s important about him is that he plays like s classic number 4. Breaks up play, tells players where he wants them to be, gives it to those who can in terms of making something happen offensively.

think this could be our signing of the summer, appreciating its only one game but this is the type of player we have been begging for for about 3yrs when Kory started getting injured.

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29 minutes ago, chipdawg said:

From match reports though it sounds like a good proportion of those were forward passes, transitioning play up the field towards Birmingham's box. I agree with what your saying, bit sometimes a player can sit in space and midfield, playing short simple passes and still control a game. It depends on the opposition, the tactics and the intent of those passes

He picked up the ball and invariably did something useful with it. He appears a perceptive player, taking the ball and passing it on to someone better placed...and doing so at pace...like a kind of motor driving the team. It was very impressive for a debut. Best appreciated when you can see it being done, hopefully he'll be consistently doing this in home matches where a greater number of posters can witness it for themselves.

Edit:

@RobArnold10 got there before me! And probably put it better!

And on reflection if you want to notice him you might need to follow him around the pitch...he's doing a lot of work very unobtrusively, and quickly, almost below the radar.

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As well as his passing what I loved was his defensive play. Always seemed one step ahead, putting himself in positions to block off runs and passes or nick the ball away. Seemed to be everywhere, didn’t stop running. I feel he could be key to getting Palmer really playing to his potential as he has a bit more freedom to go wandering knowing Nagy has the intelligence and legs to compensate. 

Trying not to get too excited about him as it’s only one game but I’m pretty smitten so far 🥰 

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@Robbored here you go: 46/49 (15/15 backwards)

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Context:

- debut

- away from home

- playing as a 2 (supported by WBs) against a 4+1 from Brum

Here’s Marlon Pack from the Leeds game: 41/53. (19/19 backwards)

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And here’s his Cardiff debut:

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53 minutes ago, Woodsy said:

Yes. A pass to a team mate, successfully completed, would count as a completed pass

Glad to have cleared that up

He does have a point tbf.

I liked LJ interview on RB where he said he didn't mind if KP gave the ball away attempting a pass because he is capable of those defence splitting ones we saw yesterday.  KP stats may not be so great as a consequence.

Nagy did play plenty of short passes, but when we settle the players more and they get used to one another I suspect he will be more ambitious in his passing.  He was excellent though for a debut in a team of strangers.

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

@Robbored here you go: 46/49 (15/15 backwards)

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Context:

- debut

- away from home

- playing as a 2 (supported by WBs) against a 4+1 from Brum

Here’s Marlon Pack from the Leeds game: 41/53. (19/19 backwards)

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And here’s his Cardiff debut:

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What would also be interesting with those stats is the momentum they were carrying at the time of releasing the ball. Nagy always seemed to be on the move with it, where as Pack very often felt like he had to stop and look around before he made a pass. 

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26 minutes ago, Red Exile said:

He picked up the ball and invariably did something useful with it. He appears a perceptive player, taking the ball and passing it on to someone better placed...and doing so at pace...like a kind of motor driving the team. It was very impressive for a debut. Best appreciated when you can see it being done, hopefully he'll be consistently doing this in home matches where a greater number of posters can witness it for themselves.

Edit:

@RobArnold10 got there before me! And probably put it better!

And on reflection if you want to notice him you might need to follow him around the pitch...he's doing a lot of work very unobtrusively, and quickly, almost below the radar.

Something LJ would appreciate 

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31 minutes ago, RobArnold10 said:

The guy oozes class, the stat is slightly misleading in that a lot of the passes are short balls to the playmakers but what’s important about him is that he plays like s classic number 4. Breaks up play, tells players where he wants them to be, gives it to those who can in terms of making something happen offensively.

think this could be our signing of the summer, appreciating its only one game but this is the type of player we have been begging for for about 3yrs when Kory started getting injured.

The stats aren’t misleading if you read them in the correct context, hence why I put up Marlon’s from last week as a good comparison. 😀😀😀

31 minutes ago, Red Exile said:

He picked up the ball and invariably did something useful with it. He appears a perceptive player, taking the ball and passing it on to someone better placed...and doing so at pace...like a kind of motor driving the team. It was very impressive for a debut. Best appreciated when you can see it being done, hopefully he'll be consistently doing this in home matches where a greater number of posters can witness it for themselves.

Edit:

@RobArnold10 got there before me! And probably put it better!

And on reflection if you want to notice him you might need to follow him around the pitch...he's doing a lot of work very unobtrusively, and quickly, almost below the radar.

Very rarely stood there and admired his pass either, always looking to get back on the ball.  Different player to Wade Elliott, but I loved watching what he did AFTER he passed it....we missed him upon promotion.

Back to Nagy, there was one bit late in first half....a ball cannoned around, and was travelling at him at pace.  Normally it would be throw a leg at it and boot it upfield, but Nagy got it down, and played a simple pass to get us going.

7 minutes ago, City Ben said:

Interesting how much further up the pitch Pack was for Cardiff. 

Yes, Cardiff’s CBs don’t ask their DM to come and collect it....they’ll bypass their midfield a lot.  Smithies and Flint for your perusal:

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@Davefevs I was looking at his data earlier but you posted the stats for me. One thing that is also remarkable is that 2 of the 3 misplaced passes were with his head which are a bit more of a lottery. 

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1 minute ago, Coppello said:

@Davefevs I was looking at his data earlier but you posted the stats for me. One thing that is also remarkable is that 2 of the 3 misplaced passes were with his head which are a bit more of a lottery. 

Good point and clarifies why I was convinced he’d only misplaced one pass all game. 

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1 minute ago, RedSA said:

Good point and clarifies why I was convinced he’d only misplaced one pass all game. 

Got a head like a sheriff’s badge (Joe Royle quote) 😜😜😜

Seriously phenomenal passing on debut, away from home.

Needs to work on his heading 😜😜😜

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1 hour ago, City Ben said:

Interesting how much further up the pitch Pack was for Cardiff. 

Further up the pitch, fewer touches of the ball and hardly ever passing backwards.

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13 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Further up the pitch, fewer touches of the ball and hardly ever passing backwards.

Looks like he was working harder for us....maybe he's taking it easy under Warnock!

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2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Two CBS could simply be passing 20yards sideways to each other any number of times. Does that count as a completed passes?

I dream of a centre back partnership at City that could do that.....

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He is clearly a better player , but would interesting how many oozing over his role who may have criticised LJ as a (Poorly understood by many IMHO) player

Ball retention and rotation, linking ,  a primary function of both  !

Great stats in a debut 

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His passing was excellent but as said it was his off the ball stuff that won me over. He was always in good positions to receive the ball or to break up and intercept play. He was also an organiser telling the CBs when and where to play it. 

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3 hours ago, The Original OTIB said:

Who are the top 3? Bartok, Bela Lugosi, Zsa Zsa Gabor?

Vilmos Sebok.

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35 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

He is clearly a better player , but would interesting how many oozing over his role who may have criticised LJ as a (Poorly understood by many IMHO) player

Ball retention and rotation, linking ,  a primary function of both  !

Great stats in a debut 

Nagy way better defensively and with carrying the ball imo 

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2 minutes ago, RedSA said:

Nagy way better defensively and with carrying the ball imo 

I would assume from his pedigree that he certainly is , but I’d be interested to know what LJs passing stats were when he was here - and one of his big strengths was always looking to give teammates an option, an out ball  -  He was no world beater but thought on the whole he was misunderstood as a player here and unappreciated to a large degree 

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1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I would assume from his pedigree that he certainly is , but I’d be interested to know what LJs passing stats were when he was here - and one of his big strengths was always looking to give teammates an option, an out ball  -  He was no world beater but thought on the whole he was misunderstood as a player here and unappreciated to a large degree 

Yeah, I agree LJ was a decent player but I can see why people could not like him but appreciate Nagy as he does a lot more than just keep it ticking over. 

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there was a time in the second half yesterday when he was out wide in the brum half ,the ball was lost he ran from one side of the pitch to the other past 3 of are players to win it on the edge of are box.for me fantastic energy and attitude

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33 minutes ago, forestofdean said:

there was a time in the second half yesterday when he was out wide in the brum half ,the ball was lost he ran from one side of the pitch to the other past 3 of are players to win it on the edge of are box.for me fantastic energy and attitude

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His passing is always around 90% so let's not get carried away with this. 😉 He played very secured yesterday, as time will go and the players gel a little he will try risky passes  - strictly in the final third. I was surprised by his 2 shots, I think he will improve on that as well as he's really not the shooting guy with his only 2 goals in his carrier... The below video shows his only one for the national team from 0:44 but it's worth watchng from the beginning as to see how he's involved in further goals. He's #8 (btw that's why he chose #4; his fav is 8 and he picks number related to that somehow and as 4x2=8 then it's explained).

 

 

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6 hours ago, Robbored said:

He does come with a classy reputation so a high pass completion rate would be par for course.

The issue I have with pass completion percentages is that they doesn’t give details on what type of passes they were. Two CBS could simply be passing 20yards sideways to each other any number of times. Does that count as a completed passes?

So was Nagy stood in a CB position, just playing 1-2’s with another player for most of the match..? 

No - so I’m not sure what your point is..?!

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30 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

So was Nagy stood in a CB position, just playing 1-2’s with another player for most of the match..? 

No - so I’m not sure what your point is..?!

I have thought that my point was obvious.

Stats regarding pass percentages can be, in isolation, misleading and I used an example of two CBs playing passing to each other repeatedly as an indication of how pass percentages can be misleading. The two CBs involved would have better pass percentages than say, a midfielder but they didn’t effect the game in a proactive way.

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7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I have thought that my point was obvious.

Stats regarding pass percentages can be, in isolation, misleading and I used an example of two CBs playing passing to each other repeatedly as an indication of how pass percentages can be misleading. The two CBs involved would have better pass percentages than say, a midfielder but they didn’t effect the game in a proactive way.

But everyone is talking about Nagy and his passing stats, not 2 CB’s...?! 

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He's been variously described as a metronome or a Busqets type (high praise indeed) which I think to be accurate. I see him as the player who sets the tempo or rhythm at which we play. He is so comfortable on the ball and seems very aware of what's around him, enabling him to change the point of attack seemingly at will. Fitness permitting I think he'll be a joy to watch this season. 

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11 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

But everyone is talking about Nagy and his passing stats, not 2 CB’s...?! 

Jeez..............:facepalm:

I think that you’re deliberately missing the point................:cool2:

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6 hours ago, Davefevs said:

 

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And presumably, read from left to right, irrespective of the half?  Thanks for posting all these.  I assume you are paying for them?

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13 minutes ago, Chivs said:

And presumably, read from left to right, irrespective of the half?  Thanks for posting all these.  I assume you are paying for them?

Yes, left to right.

On iOS....£4.99 for one competition for season, e.g. Champ.  £1.99 for one team, e.g. City.  £9.99 for all comps (about 9 major leagues and champions league, not sure about EFL and FA cups though).

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3 hours ago, forestofdean said:

there was a time in the second half yesterday when he was out wide in the brum half ,the ball was lost he ran from one side of the pitch to the other past 3 of are players to win it on the edge of are box.for me fantastic energy and attitude

Great spot

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7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

@Robbored here you go: 46/49 (15/15 backwards)

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Context:

- debut

- away from home

- playing as a 2 (supported by WBs) against a 4+1 from Brum

Here’s Marlon Pack from the Leeds game: 41/53. (19/19 backwards)

C5D532CD-F2C1-4C15-AFE6-7DFD2F80E567.thumb.jpeg.bf21f808a8dfe83e899656f04fbacd72.jpeg

And here’s his Cardiff debut:

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Great app, and one I’ve used for a few months now. 

It highlights some interesting info to digest after a game. 

It also makes it hard to defend Brownhill when you see his data, and think that he was always the golden child with Pack the bad player- the stats will tell you a very different story!!! 

 

Never-mind- onwards and upwards, Naggy looks good so far. 

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20 minutes ago, ohhhshauntaylor said:

Great app, and one I’ve used for a few months now. 

It highlights some interesting info to digest after a game. 

It also makes it hard to defend Brownhill when you see his data, and think that he was always the golden child with Pack the bad player- the stats will tell you a very different story!!! 

 

Never-mind- onwards and upwards, Naggy looks good so far. 

I really liked Brownhill’s performance yesterday. His longer range passing was off but I thought it was an all action performance and good fluidity with Nagy. He won the ball back all over the pitch. I’ve looked beyond 40/55 passes. 

Yeah, I have been critical of Josh, but I thought he was good yesterday. 

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