BobBobSuperBob Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 Anyone notice this ? Undercover snoopers ? wtf ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49312316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 51 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Anyone notice this ? Undercover snoopers ? wtf ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49312316 it sounds like the reason for it is sound but, as usual, heavy handed stewards/security go into overkill mode at the first opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 I've absolutely no sympathy with any bookies so even if he had been texting to try and get someone ahead of the bookies...who cares? They're happy to use technology to let you install an app on your phone that makes it incredibly easy to take your money, but if you try to then use that same phone to get a tiny advantage. Wham: heavy tactics to reduce your chance of winning to the absolute minimum. Pathetic. The scandal here is that the bookies are so deep into football that they feel they can legitimately get the club's own security to attempt to enforce this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerf Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 What legal right do they have to question anyone about what they are using their mobile phone for. What do the police think about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, rogerf said: What legal right do they have to question anyone about what they are using their mobile phone for. What do the police think about this They can make it a condition of being allowed on the private property.. if the fan doesn't comply, he can be asked to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 for all the thousands of you hoardes going to Hull you can found out for yourselves in two weeks time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Never to the dark side said: for all the thousands of you hoardes going to Hull you can found out for yourselves in two weeks time I can't make it. Can you text me the result please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 My sons & I often text each other during a game with updates if one or more of us can't attend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerf Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buckeyed said: They can make it a condition of being allowed on the private property.. if the fan doesn't comply, he can be asked to leave. Yes, but is a condition of football league grounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, rogerf said: Yes, but is a condition of football league grounds? I'm not sure on Hull's conditions. In reality though, they can ask anyone they want to leave.. it is their property after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 Sorry I’m being dumb here (not unusual some night say!). What’s the problem with what the Hull fan is doing? What was the implication? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Wood Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 They only had just over 10 thousand Saturday, football clubs are in danger of killing there support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, lenred said: Sorry I’m being dumb here (not unusual some night say!). What’s the problem with what the Hull fan is doing? What was the implication? That he was messaging mates who had bets on. Implication is that he could get info to them before the bookies got it from their official data source. His mates could then potentially "cash out" their now losing bets before the bookies can update the odds on their system. In the nascent days of phone/online betting there were plenty of (potentially apocryphal) stories of this sort of thing happening. Most common one I heard was about a guy who went to low ranking golf tournaments, followed players around, and placed bets on their scores before the bookies could update the online odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said: That he was messaging mates who had bets on. Implication is that he could get info to them before the bookies got it from their official data source. His mates could then potentially "cash out" their now losing bets before the bookies can update the odds on their system. In the nascent days of phone/online betting there were plenty of (potentially apocryphal) stories of this sort of thing happening. Most common one I heard was about a guy who went to low ranking golf tournaments, followed players around, and placed bets on their scores before the bookies could update the online odds. There was a famous story about a Scottish bookie who lost loads on Pot Black (snooker tv series late 70s/80s), because he didn’t know it was pre-recorded!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: I can't make it. Can you text me the result please? Preferably before the end of the game, so you lump some money on it..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: Preferably before the end of the game, so you lump some money on it..! Where City are involved in I don't bet on the score until after the final whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: That he was messaging mates who had bets on. Implication is that he could get info to them before the bookies got it from their official data source. His mates could then potentially "cash out" their now losing bets before the bookies can update the odds on their system. In the nascent days of phone/online betting there were plenty of (potentially apocryphal) stories of this sort of thing happening. Most common one I heard was about a guy who went to low ranking golf tournaments, followed players around, and placed bets on their scores before the bookies could update the online odds. There's a documentary on BBC iPlayer about gambling. Shows a guy doing the same thing at tennis matches, betting on points one or lost. Looks for Umpires who are slow at electronically pressing the result of each point in the chair. Beats the bookies online accounts. Makes £350 k a year doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, Davefevs said: There was a famous story about a Scottish bookie who lost loads on Pot Black (snooker tv series late 70s/80s), because he didn’t know it was pre-recorded!!!! There was talk in the dim distant past that reports used to be phoned in by people at very obscure race meetings to pro gamblers with the winner before the bookie had the race as off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 While this is dumb as ****, don't gamble on football anyway. You're only lining the pockets of society's richest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: it sounds like the reason for it is sound but, as usual, heavy handed stewards/security go into overkill mode at the first opportunity. Cannot agree that the reasons are 'Sound"?...............Any encroachment on an individuals rights smacks of big brother IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 be easier to just scrap betting procedures,cashing out etc. nothing wrong with predicting scores before matches,i used to enjoy goals galore but it gets too technical imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: There was a famous story about a Scottish bookie who lost loads on Pot Black (snooker tv series late 70s/80s), because he didn’t know it was pre-recorded!!!! I lost loads once on a race horse called on Sad Ken. It was a hot tip in the pub but it turned out it was a bookie in the pub telling us to bet on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erithacus Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 Does this incident highlight the new custom of a betting company now enforcing rules in football grounds, rather than the club's own security? Who is the paymaster here, and who is the employee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 I wonder if they’ll also go after people live streaming games. FDC have been absolute bastards for various things in past - remember the fee they used to try and charge for just having fixtures on a website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: There was talk in the dim distant past that reports used to be phoned in by people at very obscure race meetings to pro gamblers with the winner before the bookie had the race as off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippycar Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 hours ago, spudski said: There's a documentary on BBC iPlayer about gambling. Shows a guy doing the same thing at tennis matches, betting on points one or lost. Looks for Umpires who are slow at electronically pressing the result of each point in the chair. Beats the bookies online accounts. Makes £350 k a year doing it. Yep watched it last week, very interesting especially how bookies shut down your account or limit bets to single pounds if you actually start to beat them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, zippycar said: Yep watched it last week, very interesting especially how bookies shut down your account or limit bets to single pounds if you actually start to beat them Any chance you can remember the name of it please mate? Might give it a watch, sounds interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, zippycar said: Yep watched it last week, very interesting especially how bookies shut down your account or limit bets to single pounds if you actually start to beat them You don't even have to be winning to have accounts shut or restricted nowadays as it has got harder and harder to get decent bets on, if you bet something and basically beat the price come the off time you will classed as a bit of a "shrewdie" by the bookie, flagged up and after a few bets will be closed down to bet with them. Can easily get an account closed or restricted within 10 bets easily with most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 If bookies don't think they can offer a fair price on an outcome because some people might be able to place a bet in advance of the bookies knowing the result of a bet, don't accept bets on that market. It's hardly rocket science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 55 minutes ago, zippycar said: Yep watched it last week, very interesting especially how bookies shut down your account or limit bets to single pounds if you actually start to beat them Almost as though...almost as though they don't believe that betting only serves to "enhance the game" or to "add to the fun". It's almost as though they see it as a way to make money. Mad theory I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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