Allwaysred Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: you ain’t got a ******* clue You obviously haven't...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, Allwaysred said: You obviously haven't...... Go on then pep explain why playing prem sides would of made a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: Some right belters on here having meltdowns ooh we should play prem teams in pre season that’ll make a difference got to start Moore ooh No melt downs just being truthful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 Not sure Taylor Moore can start on the left with Rowe. A fresh young CB next to a CM could spell disaster. No I think it has to be the two who did not start tonight. Kalas and Baker and that is our best pairing imo. May have to ask Kalas to be a bit more of the ball playing CB. Bentley Periera Kalas Baker Rowe Brownhill Nagy Eliasson Palmer Semenyo Afobe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, ohhhshauntaylor said: I feel like LJ is close to a real sulk, and moan about the lack of a CB and “proven 9” If pushed on it by a 20man etc. Don’t think he can complain on the no 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: Go on then pep explain why playing prem sides would of made a difference Well after the palace thumping LJ voiced his concerns, so you could say without that match he would have prepared different for the season. I think playing a prem side over hallen or any team several tiers below us is a better option mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Johnson sounds utterly knackered, deflated and at his wits end in the post-match interview. Says we were naive out of possession and he's not happy. Been a while since I've seen him quite so disinterested in doing the interview. He's proper pissed off...think he's getting fed up with giving players a chance to prove themselves and they aren't doing it. Controlled interview...bet he goes ballistic in changing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: Go on then pep explain why playing prem sides would of made a difference Think the palace game showed where we are and the Leeds game proved that both games chasing shadows. If we want to be serious top 6 or higher we need to be technically better and faster teams + fitness. Not rocket science just the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikeysrobins Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 49 minutes ago, Luxo Jr. said: A lot of positives to take from the game. Moore gave a very good account of himself at CB and RB. On the ball Massengo is one of the best I've seen at City. Utter class ball control and spacial awareness, and really grew into the game. Some very impressive stuff from Semenyo too, and Rowe looked good again. Walsh and Eliasson had performances that summed up why they're close to the first team but don't get in regularly. O Dowda had a good impact defensively when he came on. Wright is totally bereft of confidence. At last somebody who saw the game as I did. Thought there were a lot of positives tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Allwaysred said: No melt downs just being truthful... It’s not the truth though is it , you’re talking out of your ass . Come on explain why playing prem teams in pre season would of made a difference . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Nathandao said: So. How do we line up Saturday then? my guess would be Bentley Pereira Kalas Moore Rowe Massengo Nagy Brownhill Eliasson Afobe Weimann I hope we do play a true 4-3-3 but LJ doesn't seem to favour it. I am not sure about Moore, think it will be Baker. Hope Massengo and Nagy do get to play together in the middle, think they will offer the defence some protection, as well as some solid service, also not sure how Palmer can be dropped after last Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Not sure Taylor Moore can start on the left with Rowe. A fresh young CB next to a CM could spell disaster. No I think it has to be the two who did not start tonight. Kalas and Baker and that is our best pairing imo. May have to ask Kalas to be a bit more of the ball playing CB. Bentley Periera Kalas Baker Rowe Brownhill Nagy Eliasson Palmer Semenyo Afobe Exactly this team for me. Really don’t get the Moore or Bentley bashing. Bentley did nothing wrong and Moore was head and shoulders above Wright. On tonight’s showing I’d be happy never to see Wright in a city shirt again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: It’s not the truth though is it , you’re talking out of your ass . Come on explain why playing prem teams in pre season would of made a difference . Explained above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Allwaysred said: Think the palace game showed where we are and the Leeds game proved that both games chasing shadows. If we want to be serious top 6 or higher we need to be technically better and faster teams + fitness. Not rocket science just the truth. We weren’t good enough , nothing to do with fitness. We’ll only be technically better by having better players . Palace weren’t fitter than us they came back for pre season we’ll after us . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 Thought Moore looked good this evening. Needs game time. Bentley is fine as a keeper. Don't get the criticism and I was there tonight and at Brum on Saturday. Wright looks a very limited player and Walsh just not at Championship standard for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Johnson sounds utterly knackered, deflated and at his wits end in the post-match interview. Says we were naive out of possession and he's not happy. Been a while since I've seen him quite so disinterested in doing the interview. LJ sounds just as frustrated as the Leeds post-match interview when he said, "It's out of my hands," when questioned about incoming players. Could that mean LJ wanted to bring in certain targets to replace Webster that MA wouldn't sanction? Our tower of strength in defence hasn't been replaced, despite the club having ample warning following 10 bids. There also appears to be a lack of leadership on the pitch and experienced players like Wright are failing the manager, just when they need to step up following the shock exit of the veteran Pack. Saturday is a must win in order to restore the club's confidence to kick on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, Allwaysred said: You joking?? Everything. Poor preparation = piss poor performance. Obviously never played at a decent level.... Played for twenty years but I don’t see what that’s got to do with anything . Danny mills played for England and he talks absolute bollocks . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, Nathandao said: So. How do we line up Saturday then? my guess would be Bentley Pereira Kalas Moore Rowe Massengo Nagy Brownhill Eliasson Afobe Weimann Why would you start elliason after tonight? He was pitiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 Same team as what started against Birmingham. No reason at all to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, OldlandReddies said: Same team as what started against Birmingham. No reason at all to change. Apart from that up until we changed things up we were second best against Brum and looking like we were going to lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, Allwaysred said: Play offs not a chance we're back to we we're few seasons ago. Key area's not addressed and yes we've brought in players mostly foreign and there's many key factors if they work out as we all know. It amazes me preseason every year we play worthless games against local opposition or 2nd division teams from another country which achieves nothing. Why not play 3 prem teams and then judge your levels of tactics and fitness from that as after all that's the standard we are aspiring to be. Take the palace game for example we are miles off the promised land. How on earth have you come to this conclusion after a league cup game in which we've fielded a reserve side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, JBFC II said: Apart from that up until we changed things up we were second best against Brum and looking like we were going to lose? Didnt see it that way at all. Think we bossed the second half whistle to whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, frenchred said: Why would you start elliason after tonight? He was pitiful Unbelievably harsh on the lad. Beat his man more than once and put 3 or 4 superb balls into the box. Looked much better than Szmodics for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairweather Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: No he’s not. His job is to defend . Baker is a better defender by quite some distance . unfortunately we’re judging him against Webster and there’s no comparison but if bakers heads right he good enough for this league. Moore isn’t I thought Moore was excellent tonight. Very confident and read the game well. I had assumed he had been with us so long he was a recruitment error but was impressed. We defend too deep and / or don’t close down shots from the edge of the box. Hunt gets lost defensively and leaves too much space for others to deal with. i don’t know if that is a CB issue or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, OldlandReddies said: Didnt see it that way at all. Think we bossed the second half whistle to whistle. Thought we were useless until the last 20 minutes or so, certainly wouldn’t go 3 at the back again on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Of course but still not got the feel of that solid defence from last season. But I am willing to wait it out a bit as we have a lot of new faces. Just concerning it is becoming a bit of a theme. Don’t want it to affect confidence Agreed, but then we have lost Webster and Dasilva (more recently) Moore concerns me, at the moment - but hope he’ll step up. Its a big transitional period at the moment. Not ideal at this stage of the season, but unavoidable really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Well after the palace thumping LJ voiced his concerns, so you could say without that match he would have prepared different for the season. I think playing a prem side over hallen or any team several tiers below us is a better option mate. Ramping up opposition as pre season goes on yes I agree. I was replying to a post saying we should be playing teams like that throughout pre season . prem teams come back a week or so after us so fitness wise they’re behind. we've lost our best player and not only that but he was the basis which we played and now the squad is unsettled due to the chaos surrounding the transfer window. Imo we’ve come a long way in a short period and now have some players that are out of their depth with where we want to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 Reading this thread is hilarious. Bailey Wright. Ok, yes, I think most of us would admit that he’s not gonna be a star man for us, he’s essentially our 4th choice CB. But jeez, reading this you’d think he was to blame for the first 2 goals when it was Walsh & Hunt who were directly responsible. I’m all for giving fair criticism but the Wright-bashing tonight is just unjustified. Goal 1 - Walsh gets easily passed through. Massengo gets easily skipped past. Wright is marking the most central striker, who is looking to run behind so Wright correctly sticks to marking him. Walsh doesn’t bother retreating all of 5 yards to fill the spaces in front of the Cb’s - ie the cover that a CM is supposed to provide. Meanwhile Hunt has been marking Wells and doesn’t bother running with him, leaving him free in the space between Hunt & Walsh, for Wells to pick his spot. Not Wright’s fault. If anything, a combo of Hunt & Walsh. Goal 2 - City in possession. Centre backs had spread wide, full backs up high. Walsh tries to beat a man when he’s in his own half with his CB’s spread 50 yds apart! The ball goes wide, Wright is the widest player and correctly goes to close the ball down. Meanwhile, Walsh jogs back (after his own mistake FFS) and watches their player make the run for the inside ball into our wide open centre. Wright is caught between closing the passer (which was his initial correct decision) or going with the runner (which he’s hoping Walsh does, since it’s a midfield runner and he’s the one who lost the ball). Easy cross, easy finish. Not Wright’s fault. 100% Walsh at fault. I don’t mind him making a mistake, but if you do, run the **** back and cover your ass. Lazy. Pens. Wright, a CB, taking the 7th penalty after the striker and winger had already missed. And seemingly Nagy, Massengo and Baker didn’t fancy it. Someone is always gonna be the fall guy in a shoot out, but Wright can hardly be ridiculed for this. He may well have had an ordinary game, but to criticise him for the 2 goals against and the penalty miss is just ridiculous. Get a grip folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, fairweather said: I thought Moore was excellent tonight. Very confident and read the game well. I had assumed he had been with us so long he was a recruitment error but was impressed. We defend too deep and / or don’t close down shots from the edge of the box. Hunt gets lost defensively and leaves too much space for others to deal with. i don’t know if that is a CB issue or not. I might be being a bit harsh on TM I’m going on what I’ve seen. Midfield protection is a problem and Nagy is vital to getting some stability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Harry said: Reading this thread is hilarious. Bailey Wright. Ok, yes, I think most of us would admit that he’s not gonna be a star man for us, he’s essentially our 4th choice CB. But jeez, reading this you’d think he was to blame for the first 2 goals when it was Walsh & Hunt who were directly responsible. I’m all for giving fair criticism but the Wright-bashing tonight is just unjustified. Goal 1 - Walsh gets easily passed through. Massengo gets easily skipped past. Wright is marking the most central striker, who is looking to run behind so Wright correctly sticks to marking him. Walsh doesn’t bother retreating all of 5 yards to fill the spaces in front of the Cb’s - ie the cover that a CM is supposed to provide. Meanwhile Hunt has been marking Wells and doesn’t bother running with him, leaving him free in the space between Hunt & Walsh, for Wells to pick his spot. Not Wright’s fault. If anything, a combo of Hunt & Walsh. Goal 2 - City in possession. Centre backs had spread wide, full backs up high. Walsh tries to beat a man when he’s in his own half with his CB’s spread 50 yds apart! The ball goes wide, Wright is the widest player and correctly goes to close the ball down. Meanwhile, Walsh jogs back (after his own mistake FFS) and watches their player make the run for the inside ball into our wide open centre. Wright is caught between closing the passer (which was his initial correct decision) or going with the runner (which he’s hoping Walsh does, since it’s a midfield runner and he’s the one who lost the ball). Easy cross, easy finish. Not Wright’s fault. 100% Walsh at fault. I don’t mind him making a mistake, but if you do, run the **** back and cover your ass. Lazy. Pens. Wright, a CB, taking the 7th penalty after the striker and winger had already missed. And seemingly Nagy, Massengo and Baker didn’t fancy it. Someone is always gonna be the fall guy in a shoot out, but Wright can hardly be ridiculed for this. He may well have had an ordinary game, but to criticise him for the 2 goals against and the penalty miss is just ridiculous. Get a grip folks. Don’t disagree with your goal analysis but his all round game was diabolical. Poor in the air, slow on the turn and don’t get me started on his passing. If he starts ahead of Moore in a league match again I’ll be shocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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