Red Army 75 Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/exclusive-premier-league-clubs-eyeing-3206551 Personally feel it would be a massive mistake to let him go . Has done a fantastic job with the younger players over the last several years. Legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardy Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 No and i mean NO, i haven't recovered from losing Marlon yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/exclusive-premier-league-clubs-eyeing-3206551 Personally feel it would be a massive mistake to let him go . Has done a fantastic job with the younger players over the last several years. Legend Probably won’t be a case of ‘letting him go’. If we keep blocking the pathway then he may well choose to go and there isn’t anything we can do about it...apart from not blocking the pathway. One could argue that Vyner, Morrell, Walsh, Semenyo and even Pring will get less game time this season than they should. I completely understand LJ buying players and not trusting the youth but there are consequences to all decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 This would be the worst departure since Bob Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 If he goes, he goes. It is a shame but we as fans crave top 6 and so does the board, first team management etc. If Tins doesn’t like it then he takes his choice but we are where we are and we need to keep progressing. Semenyo and Moore will get their chance this year as Bobby, Joey, Lloyd etc did previously and I’m sure if Morrell etc smash it on loan this year then they will be around the first team next year. Is It pathway blocked or they simply are not at a level to take us forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 It’s a tough one. If we go back a season or two and take centre midfield....we started with Smith, Brownhill and Pack, with the likes of Morrell coming through. We then add Walsh for a fee. Smith gets injured last season but LJ never really entrusts Walsh or Morrell to take minutes to rest Pack and Brownhill. Now brings in Rowe, early in the window and Nagy and Massengo but Pack leaves, whilst Morrell is out on loan....Walsh no further forward. Thats the simplistic view, but you need to add the fact that City have improved over that time, so someone like Walsh is in no-man’s land, because we don’t really know if he’s good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfile Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It’s a tough one. If we go back a season or two and take centre midfield....we started with Smith, Brownhill and Pack, with the likes of Morrell coming through. We then add Walsh for a fee. Smith gets injured last season but LJ never really entrusts Walsh or Morrell to take minutes to rest Pack and Brownhill. Now brings in Rowe, early in the window and Nagy and Massengo but Pack leaves, whilst Morrell is out on loan....Walsh no further forward. Thats the simplistic view, but you need to add the fact that City have improved over that time, so someone like Walsh is in no-man’s land, because we don’t really know if he’s good enough. We don’t, but only one persons opinion counts, and it’s his head on the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 Hes got a point , look how well o'leary done last season he deserved his shot this season, instead two new keepers in and hes out on loan , vyners played several championship level games last season bombed out in favour of a loanee of similar age from portugal, if tinnion goes hes absolutely spot on with his reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 would we get a fee ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfile Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 We have already lost one academy coach to Southampton, there may be something in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, slartibartfast said: would we get a fee ? If he's contracted for any considerable time and there's nothing in it about only giving a weeks notice then we will need to come to an agreement with the new club. Won't be much though. He can't be on more than 30k seeing as they were advertising the under 23 manager job at 35k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 Must be a recent change of heart from Tinnion then and due to last weeks events as he seemed very engaged in @Shtanley‘s interview with him on OSIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, pride of the west said: If he's contracted for any considerable time and there's nothing in it about only giving a weeks notice then we will need to come to an agreement with the new club. Won't be much though. He can't be on more than 30k seeing as they were advertising the under 23 manager job at 35k Can’t believe Tinman or Luke Williams are on anything as low as £35k pa, but happy to be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, Meh said: If he goes, he goes. It is a shame but we as fans crave top 6 and so does the board, first team management etc. If Tins doesn’t like it then he takes his choice but we are where we are and we need to keep progressing. Semenyo and Moore will get their chance this year as Bobby, Joey, Lloyd etc did previously and I’m sure if Morrell etc smash it on loan this year then they will be around the first team next year. Is It pathway blocked or they simply are not at a level to take us forward? I think you have it right. Personally I would have been perfectly happy to have 4 or more Academy graduates playing regularly and us finishing mid table but I suspect I am in a pretty small minority. I understand Tinnion's frustration but he hasn't got the responsibility and pressure LJ has. As a matter of interest, how many Academy graduates are playing regularly for Southampton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfile Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Can’t believe Tinman or Luke Williams are on anything as low as £35k pa, but happy to be corrected. All the money goes to the first team group. I can quite believe that figure is accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Can’t believe Tinman or Luke Williams are on anything as low as £35k pa, but happy to be corrected. That's what they offered on the careers page when we were on the look out for u23 manager. I was shocked myself. That doesn't mean to say Williams didn't come in on his own terms mind after negotiating a wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, pride of the west said: That's what they offered on the careers page when we were on the look out for u23 manager. I was shocked myself. That doesn't mean to say Williams didn't come in on his own terms mind after negotiating a wage. Exactly, highly regarded, experience of the hot-seat at Swindon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 Its a tough one cause the youngsters need to be regularly playing to improve, but a lot wouldn’t get into our starting line up. OLeary playing a full season will be so much more benefitial than on the bench for us, same as Pring. They need to earn their stripes and then will be worthy of coming into the team. I suppose there is the question of if Max does well, then he should be number one. But we have just signed Bentley so that blocks him. Now there is also Massengo, Nagy etc to challenge Morrell/Walsh/Bakinson so is there a path for them? Ill be honest it’s not clear what the path is for young players, when we have a young capable team currently, and seem to be upgrading them with new players when they do go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 There's no extended quotes in this story. I'm kinda not sure I believe this at face value. The BP read the Pathway thread and made up a story. If you listen to his interview with Shtanley he clearly sets out the Pathway for young players at this club. Go prove you're good enough to play for Bristol City somewhere else and you'll get your chance here. And then it's up to you to take it. And that is exactly what is happening. So he is either lying there, or he's had a radical change of philosophy after 1 transfer window. Or the third possibility is if he genuinely thinks Vyner, Semenyo, Pring and Morrell are top half championship level players at this moment and should be in the team, I disagree strongly with his talent evaluation if that's the case. He literally tells us the best thing for players is to go play regular football. He tells us the most important thing is what is right for Bristol City. I find it genuinely bizarre if he's changed his mind so drastically. From a career perspective, sure, go to a more successful academy in Southampton, get more money for yourself, it's your finances, no problem. We've signed players because the current crop of young talent isn't fully ready. Part of Tinnions job is to get them the loans to make them ready. "Indeed, we understand several leading figures within the academy are unhappy at seeing the pathway " There aren't that many leading figures. So, that would basically mean most to all of them. So expect them all to resign? We'll see. The reasons above are why I don't believe the article as it's written. Sure he could definitely go to Southampton, but the reason won't be the stated one IMO, based of what Tinnion himself has said. 2 minutes ago, chinapig said: I think you have it right. Personally I would have been perfectly happy to have 4 or more Academy graduates playing regularly and us finishing mid table but I suspect I am in a pretty small minority. I understand Tinnion's frustration but he hasn't got the responsibility and pressure LJ has. As a matter of interest, how many Academy graduates are playing regularly for Southampton? They had one fully homegrown players in their first match day squad on opening weekend. (The other players who I think count as homegrown were taken from other academies at some stage.) James Ward Prowse is the only player to start his development at Southampton who was in that squad. Stephens was taken from Plymouth pretty early on in his career aged 17 ish, same for Valery from Rennes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsKev Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 or could this be someone posturing for a new contract to be paid inline with the income generated from the sale of youth players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 No No NO as some other Legends would say. I love the fact that pretty much my favourite all time player is at the club and simply demand that he stays. And Scott Murray- bloody love the bloke and hope he stays forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 If he does go, he'll be back. City is his home. He left once and came back stronger. He'll return even stronger after he's developed further and made new contacts in the PL. All for the benefit of City. Trust the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, RedDave said: Probably won’t be a case of ‘letting him go’. If we keep blocking the pathway then he may well choose to go and there isn’t anything we can do about it...apart from not blocking the pathway. One could argue that Vyner, Morrell, Walsh, Semenyo and even Pring will get less game time this season than they should. I completely understand LJ buying players and not trusting the youth but there are consequences to all decisions We're not blocking the pathway, loads of our players are playing league football. The pathway is not necessarily to the Bristol City first team, its to professional football. In that respect, we're doing a good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, chipdawg said: We're not blocking the pathway, loads of our players are playing league football. The pathway is not necessarily to the Bristol City first team, its to professional football. In that respect, we're doing a good job Tell that to Tinnion if the story of him being annoyed is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, chipdawg said: We're not blocking the pathway, loads of our players are playing league football. The pathway is not necessarily to the Bristol City first team, its to professional football. In that respect, we're doing a good job Exactly...pathway to the first team doesn't mean from U23s to first team. Most need loans to other teams in the football league to get up to speed with Men's football. Look at Reid... Plymouth then before you know it...etc. The higher up the Championship you get the harder it is for a youngster to become a promotion quality player. It's ok to blood them...but if they make mistakes that lead to defeats, what do you do? It's a catch 22. Put yourself in Tinman's shoes...you see the talent you have loaned out, but because they are your 'baby's ' do you start seeing things through blinkered eyes? I'm guessing Vyner being loaned to Aberdeen may have caused a feeling of unease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zod Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 I bet Tinnion won’t find the ‘pathway’ any easier working for a premier league club. Always thought this is something we’ve been good at in recent times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 hours ago, RedDave said: Probably won’t be a case of ‘letting him go’. If we keep blocking the pathway then he may well choose to go and there isn’t anything we can do about it...apart from not blocking the pathway. One could argue that Vyner, Morrell, Walsh, Semenyo and even Pring will get less game time this season than they should. I completely understand LJ buying players and not trusting the youth but there are consequences to all decisions He dont like playing kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Prinny said: There's no extended quotes in this story. I'm kinda not sure I believe this at face value. The BP read the Pathway thread and made up a story. If you listen to his interview with Shtanley he clearly sets out the Pathway for young players at this club. Go prove you're good enough to play for Bristol City somewhere else and you'll get your chance here. And then it's up to you to take it. And that is exactly what is happening. So he is either lying there, or he's had a radical change of philosophy after 1 transfer window. Or the third possibility is if he genuinely thinks Vyner, Semenyo, Pring and Morrell are top half championship level players at this moment and should be in the team, I disagree strongly with his talent evaluation if that's the case. He literally tells us the best thing for players is to go play regular football. He tells us the most important thing is what is right for Bristol City. I find it genuinely bizarre if he's changed his mind so drastically. From a career perspective, sure, go to a more successful academy in Southampton, get more money for yourself, it's your finances, no problem. We've signed players because the current crop of young talent isn't fully ready. Part of Tinnions job is to get them the loans to make them ready. "Indeed, we understand several leading figures within the academy are unhappy at seeing the pathway " There aren't that many leading figures. So, that would basically mean most to all of them. So expect them all to resign? We'll see. The reasons above are why I don't believe the article as it's written. Sure he could definitely go to Southampton, but the reason won't be the stated one IMO, based of what Tinnion himself has said. They had one fully homegrown players in their first match day squad on opening weekend. (The other players who I think count as homegrown were taken from other academies at some stage.) James Ward Prowse is the only player to start his development at Southampton who was in that squad. Stephens was taken from Plymouth pretty early on in his career aged 17 ish, same for Valery from Rennes. Exactly what I thought. It doesn't match up and I wouldn't take what the EP is saying as gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhitepurple Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 This guy needs a stand named after him. Tinnion carey stand Atyeo stand Dolman stand must always be that. Man saved city. and east end for the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 hours ago, bengalcub said: Hes got a point , look how well o'leary done last season he deserved his shot this season, instead two new keepers in and hes out on loan , vyners played several championship level games last season bombed out in favour of a loanee of similar age from portugal, if tinnion goes hes absolutely spot on with his reasoning. Vyner should of been given a chance after Plymouth loan hes good enough and ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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