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44 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Tbh, this direction of travel, this trend is/will be common place in cities.

What would be interesting would be to see if other grounds/clubs in urban areas- outside of London of course which seems to get all it wants and more in terms of transport and especially medium-large cities with a ground in the city itself, have the same level of issues. (Adjusted per capita, per attendee etc).

@adamski Capacity hasn't been 30,000 since pre all seater days. Plus the last time we had attendances of this level or above on a regular basis was late 1970s, to 1980- or maybe mid 1970s-1980? Top flight and maybe 1976 promotion season. There were a LOT less cars on the road in general then. Saw a stat some while ago about the growth between x and y.

Mind you the public transport in Bristol is pretty shit, from surrounding areas even more so therefore it's hardly a surprise.

I didn't go to any away games last season, hence our much improved away performances!

However, previous seasons' trips to Birmingham, Villa, Fulham, Brentford, Derby, Reading, Cardfiff, & PNE.  Have presented me with a lot less parking difficulties than my home fixture trips to Ashton Gate.

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7 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

I didn't go to any away games last season, hence our much improved away performances!

However, previous seasons' trips to Birmingham, Villa, Fulham, Brentford, Derby, Reading, Cardfiff, & PNE.  Have presented me with a lot less parking difficulties than my home fixture trips to Ashton Gate.

Interesting, thanks.

Derby's a bit out of town and so is Reading even more so, but the other grounds all in the urban area itself- was it a case that there are/were a lot less cars in the area for example, or was it that parking restrictions were far less? Preston have quite a few less fans so that helps, always wondered if we have a greater proportion of fans who travel by car than other clubs? Dunno why but...

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2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Interesting, thanks.

Derby's a bit out of town and so is Reading even more so, but the other grounds all in the city itself- was it a case that there are/were a lot less cars in the area for example, or was it that parking restrictions were far less? Preston have quite a few less fans so that helps, always wondered if we have a greater proportion of fans who travel by car than other clubs?

Possibly so, but if we do that’s down to the lack of any alternative. We don’t seem to have any notion of public transport here. A huge P&R car park that sits empty. A metro bus that doesn’t operate when half our home games take place and which, by its bosses own admission last season, isn’t designed to cope with the increased traffic that matchday brings. A rail system (proposed) that will pass right by the ground without stopping. It’s ludicrous. 

I also find away games far easier, London of course has proper public transport, but even a place like Reading can set up arrangements for a nearby park and ride to bus people to the ground. 

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1 minute ago, italian dave said:

Possibly so, but if we do that’s down to the lack of any alternative. We don’t seem to have any notion of public transport here. A huge P&R car park that sits empty. A metro bus that doesn’t operate when half our home games take place and which, by its bosses own admission last season, isn’t designed to cope with the increased traffic that matchday brings. A rail system (proposed) that will pass right by the ground without stopping. It’s ludicrous. 

I also find away games far easier, London of course has proper public transport, but even a place like Reading can set up arrangements for a nearby park and ride to bus people to the ground. 

I agree fully- we do have a pretty shit public transport infrastructure- in Bristol it is poor and as you say the joke that is the empty P&R plus the Metro bus that cannot operate for matchdays and the rail system that doesn't stop near the ground.

We're particularly poor with it as a city I feel. This of course leaves little option but for cars.

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Parking has got progressively worse over the years, and will continue to do so. I have ended up paying £180 a season to park at one of the clubs designated sites. The reason I pay is that I take my 82 year old Father in Law to all home games and without guaranteed parking he would not be able to attend.

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1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

How many games do you actually attend though ?

Try doing it 25 times or so a season

I think this get to the heart of the issue. I don't doubt that a single individual can find a parking space on any given match day. Just Park clearly offers that. But it doesn't offer a sustainable solution to finding places for thousands to park every other week and midweek. That's what is missing. We use the Portway P&R and the service is fine - something similar is needed right across the city. It needs to be easier to use public transport than use your car.

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16 hours ago, Frenchay Red said:

Pity the council didn't do the same up Wellington hill and around by the church, all the illegal parking on bends street corners, on the Junction at the traffic lights, should I go on, 

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11 hours ago, Dredd said:

Don’t see how this will work. Most of the roads around the ground are street parking for houses with no drives. So if they are double yellows where do the residents park for the rest of the week? Double yellows in other places are just going to push more cars into these roads, making the problem worse. Well thought out BCC as usual. 

Maybe if they actually put some effort into looking at reliable sustainable affordable public transport to and from the games (park and ride, Ashton Gate station, buses from all over Bristol) then less people would be taking their cars. Instead we have the backward archaic thinking of ‘ah right yeah we’ll just put some more double yellows down, that’ll stop em’. 

Most inept council in the country 

The new double yellow lines will be around junctions only, to help flow of traffic and protect road users and pedestrians. I live in these streets and even on non match days parking causes issues...I've seen two cyclists knocked off their bikes outside my home due to cars parking on junctions and blocking views. We know parking is terrible on match days and the council and City need to do something about it...the park n ride situation is a joke!

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Interesting, thanks.

Derby's a bit out of town and so is Reading even more so, but the other grounds all in the urban area itself- was it a case that there are/were a lot less cars in the area for example, or was it that parking restrictions were far less? Preston have quite a few less fans so that helps, always wondered if we have a greater proportion of fans who travel by car than other clubs? Dunno why but...

Obviously I don't live in those areas and have only relied on good ol' google maps for my parking planning, however it seems to me that there are certainly less restrictions, or at least they don't extend away from those grounds to such an extent. E.g. St Andrews, it is possible to street park very close to the ground indeed, as I have done on the several times I've been there. 

Villa & Craven Cottage require 20 mins brisk walk, though I think you can get closer to Villa Pk than I did to street park.

Blackburn you can get close to the ground as well, though it's only a small place.

I know Bristol like the back of my hand, so trying to find a place to park is not because I don't know where to look,  it's because there are ever dwindling suitable locations. At the moment I aim to get to the area some 3  hours before KO to make sure I can park, and others are already there and parked. Soon I'll be leaving after breakfast!!

 

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Wouldn’t object to this but the AG 1/2/3/4 P& R Buses just aren’t up to scratch. At the Leeds game the bus broke down and left us waiting for half an hour for the next AG2 to come and pick us up. Same thing happened last game of last season and ifor the match before that we are also stood waiting 45 mins for an AG2 to arrive. Was going to revert back to the car this weekend but where the heck is there to park now unless you turn up at least 2 hours early ? 

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11 hours ago, swampy said:

I leave the house at 240pm and am parked for free by 250pm ... and it is free ... the joys of non league football ... and I am not subsidizing some ar*e holes £100k a week ... 

 

So your advice to Bristol City fans having trouble parking at Bristol City games is to support a different team. Brilliant. 

I'm not sure why you still post on this forum, seeing as you seem to have such disdain for League football. 

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3 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

How many games do you actually attend though ?

Try doing it 25 times or so a season

Around 10, but that’s irrelevant because what I do (pre-booked JustPark space) would be equally applicable if I went to every game.

But I’m not denying that there’s a problem (see my other posts).

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14 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Can I use my blue badge there?  Only joking, have Parking in Wickes, but will we see it used for disabled parking

For people with blue badges who find it equally hard to park, this is great news for them. There will be ample parking for anyone with a blue badge now, which in some ways isnt a bad thing at all.

Public transport for many people just isnt an option, making it harder for people to park will just make the situation worse.

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55 minutes ago, asfred said:

The new double yellow lines will be around junctions only, to help flow of traffic and protect road users and pedestrians. I live in these streets and even on non match days parking causes issues...I've seen two cyclists knocked off their bikes outside my home due to cars parking on junctions and blocking views. We know parking is terrible on match days and the council and City need to do something about it...the park n ride situation is a joke!

I quite agree. As a resident of BS3 the Southville RPZ has had a terrible knock-on affect on the surrounding areas. Ashton Rd, Duckmoor Rd etc are choc a block with commuter parking every day of the week, as well as "2nd cars" from Southville being parked the other side of North St to avoid needing a second permit. What's the answer though? 

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7 minutes ago, AshtonPark said:

For people with blue badges who find it equally hard to park, this is great news for them. There will be ample parking for anyone with a blue badge now, which in some ways isnt a bad thing at all.

Public transport for many people just isnt an option, making it harder for people to park will just make the situation worse.

Brighton have a pretty good public transport infrastructure in and around their ground, I'm led to believe.

https://www.stadiumguide.com/falmer/

Pretty problematic here though- as it stands.

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Unfortunately this thread is just a small part of the much much bigger problem in that Bristol and the surrounding areas has and has always had an absolutely terrible public transport system - so bad it’s actually an embarrassment that a city supposedly ‘revered’ as a top place to live in can provide such shoddy options. Until that improves problems like this one will just grow and grow.  Have never really understood why the various councils over he years have never tackled the problem. If cities such as Sheffield, Newcastle, Manchester etc etc can provide joined up integrated solutions why can’t Bristol?

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14 hours ago, spudski said:

People joke...with respect, but this is seriously becoming a massive problem.

You simply can't trust public transport to work. I've tried... it's so fragile, either human error or other circumstances stop it working efficiently.

If it works, it still needs so much planning. 

As for parking...I used to use the Ashville for pre and post match socialising. The roads around it are pretty much empty.

Talking to their staff, these parking restrictions have had a massive effect on their business. People don't go their as often because of them.

I should imagine it's the same for other businesses.

This is purely a way of making money or trying to get people to use public transport that doesn't work efficiently.

Agree with you, Spud.

I'm not the only City fan who lives in a rural location. There is NO bus or train option for me, I have to drive.

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11 minutes ago, lenred said:

Unfortunately this thread is just a small part of the much much bigger problem in that Bristol and the surrounding areas has and has always had an absolutely terrible public transport system - so bad it’s actually an embarrassment that a city supposedly ‘revered’ as a top place to live in can provide such shoddy options. Until that improves problems like this one will just grow and grow.  Have never really understood why the various councils over he years have never tackled the problem. If cities such as Sheffield, Newcastle, Manchester etc etc can provide joined up integrated solutions why can’t Bristol?

Our pathetic Bristol City Council,  Who , for decades have been full of people more interested in party politics and scoring points over each other , and blocking each other , than what’s actually best for the City of Bristol

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Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

Could it be linked to this??

https://airqualitynews.com/2019/08/12/defra-threatens-bristol-with-legal-action-over-caz-for-second-time/

Don't want to get political but depending on the precise timing it may not be wholly coincidental?

But creating artificial traffic jams - which is the BCC approach - creates more pollution, not less. 

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14 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

But creating artificial traffic jams - which is the BCC approach - creates more pollution, not less. 

Presumably you're referring to idling engines creating more pollution in congested times?

Fine people for idling engines would be one technical solution and when I say fine I mean rigorously enforced. Not one I would go and certainly not with so few viable alternatives for but a technical (money making)? solution nonetheless.

Wouldn't surprise me if there is a small link at least between the 2.

Agree with @lenred as well- very poor public transport in, let alone out in and out of the city are far from helpful.

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49 minutes ago, lenred said:

Sheffield, Newcastle, Manchester etc etc can provide joined up integrated solutions why can’t Bristol?

City fans mainly travel from three separate council authorities...BCC/N.Somerset/S.Gloucs, all with diametrically opposed political persuasions and differing spending priorities. This isn't the sole reason for the lack of a decent integrated transport solutions but always a tiresome barrier to climb over before any productive transport planning can start. The City football parking farce for example pushes much of the problem into Long Ashton (N.Somerset) causing delays to buses getting through the village due to cars parked on a relatively narrow through road.?

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1 hour ago, AshtonPark said:

For people with blue badges who find it equally hard to park, this is great news for them. There will be ample parking for anyone with a blue badge now, which in some ways isnt a bad thing at all.

Public transport for many people just isnt an option, making it harder for people to park will just make the situation worse.

Not all double yellow lines can be used by Blue Badge holders, so possibly not such great news.

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3 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Not all double yellow lines can be used by Blue Badge holders, so possibly not such great news.

I thought the rules were that you are not allowed to park within 15m of a junction etc, even though you do see people with disabled badges parking closer.

 

 

 

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